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WOW - Now I have seen it all after 15 yrs online!

09-21-2009, 03:00 PM

Hi All,

Just doing some board reading and saw the new "skin" and many threads about the tube.....

Man I have seen alot of shit in 15 yrs in this biz but this one might top most of them...

So tubes steal from content producers and paysites, etc and then have the Huge balls to pay for ads on a industry board and expect webmasters and industry ppl that they steal from to mabey buy some traffic from them????

Total BS, as someone else said "Wow - Just WOW"

Hopefully Gfy re-thinks this...

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09-21-2009, 03:02 PM

The powers that be are cashing the check right now. They won't do shit about it.

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09-21-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by sextoyking

Hi All,

Just doing some board reading and saw the new "skin" and many threads about the tube.....

Man I have seen alot of shit in 15 yrs in this biz but this one might top most of them...

So tubes steal from content producers and paysites, etc and then have the Huge balls to pay for ads on a industry board and expect webmasters and industry ppl that they steal from to mabey buy some traffic from them????

Total BS, as someone else said "Wow - Just WOW"

Hopefully Gfy re-thinks this...

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are they really trying to sell traffic here, or is it just some kind of elaborate "hahaha on all of you" kind of thing?

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09-21-2009, 03:07 PM

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09-21-2009, 03:16 PM

Actually this is quite sad and pathetic.........

Once again the sheep or those that don't care about there business will just roll with the punches......

In any other industry where you infringe on someones copywrited work or steal there property - the lawyers are called.....

As the song goes "sad but true"

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09-21-2009, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by sextoyking

Actually this is quite sad and pathetic.........

Once again the sheep or those that don't care about there business will just roll with the punches......

In any other industry where you infringe on someones copywrited work or steal there property - the lawyers are called.....

As the song goes "sad but true"

As long as they remove content when notified the DMCA protects them
they 'dont upload' the videos, their surfers 'do'

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09-21-2009, 03:25 PM

Is the PH uploader still broken?

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09-21-2009, 03:27 PM

I cant even get my head around how fucked up this industry is.
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09-21-2009, 03:29 PM

Not that anyone would care but I am seriously considering just leaving the board. Fuck this shit. If it were legal tubes, sure but these are not.

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09-21-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by papill0n

I cant even get my head around how fucked up this industry is.

yeah, just sitting here thinking how bad it will be a year from now

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09-21-2009, 03:36 PM

They had to buy it for a whole year to be allowed. :P
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09-21-2009, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

Not that anyone would care but I am seriously considering just leaving the board. Fuck this shit. If it were legal tubes, sure but these are not.

Something has to change that is for sure. It is obvious that many of us don't want to deal with thieves. I sure as fuck wouldn't deal with some cunt who I knew was robbing people IRL and I don't want to online either.
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09-21-2009, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by papill0n

I cant even get my head around how fucked up this industry is.

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09-21-2009, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

Not that anyone would care but I am seriously considering just leaving the board. Fuck this shit. If it were legal tubes, sure but these are not.

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09-21-2009, 04:07 PM

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they 'dont upload' the videos, their surfers 'do'

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09-21-2009, 04:17 PM

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09-21-2009, 04:18 PM

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09-21-2009, 04:57 PM

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09-21-2009, 04:59 PM

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09-21-2009, 05:00 PM

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09-21-2009, 05:03 PM

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09-21-2009, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

Not that anyone would care but I am seriously considering just leaving the board. Fuck this shit. If it were legal tubes, sure but these are not.

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09-21-2009, 05:14 PM

Maybe the "industry" should start trying to protect their content instead of going for the quick money grab? How do you think all these tube sites got the content? cause no one gave a shit about trying to make sure it stays "in" their members areas. If you had it protected the tubes wouldn't exist or they would at the least be paying to use the content. Wrap your head around that one.
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09-21-2009, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

Maybe the "industry" should start trying to protect their content instead of going for the quick money grab? How do you think all these tube sites got the content? cause no one gave a shit about trying to make sure it stays "in" their members areas. If you had it protected the tubes wouldn't exist or they would at the least be paying to use the content. Wrap your head around that one.

.....I can see ur point.... however I seriously doubt anyone or rather any sponsor who allows their full length videos to be upped to these illegal tubes to all of the sudden "start protecting" their content this late in the game...

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09-21-2009, 05:28 PM

Sticky you have attempted to make this point over and over again. Even if the site owners had protected the shit up until when tubes hit it big a couple years ago. What do you think would of stopped them from ripping every damn DVD they could get their hands on? Since that is what most of them did anyways. I mean unless you were not paying attention in Costa Rica and did not attend certain seminars, you would of heard at least one large tube person mention it.
You may want to wrap your head around the fact that most successful pay sites have or had ventured into their own DVD lines by that time as well. Ripping it off from a DVD makes it pretty damn easy and keeps everything organized to boot.

So unless you are suggesting that all exclusive pay sites have not only protected their content via streaming, but also not tried to make any money via VOD, Clip stores, PPV, and DVD distribution. You can stop blowing that horn saying it would of protected people. Only people it would of protected would of been the tiny site owners who nobody notices anyways, which are pretty much the same ones the tubes ignore now.

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09-21-2009, 05:32 PM

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09-21-2009, 06:35 PM

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09-21-2009, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

Sticky you have attempted to make this point over and over again. Even if the site owners had protected the shit up until when tubes hit it big a couple years ago. What do you think would of stopped them from ripping every damn DVD they could get their hands on? Since that is what most of them did anyways. I mean unless you were not paying attention in Costa Rica and did not attend certain seminars, you would of heard at least one large tube person mention it.
You may want to wrap your head around the fact that most successful pay sites have or had ventured into their own DVD lines by that time as well. Ripping it off from a DVD makes it pretty damn easy and keeps everything organized to boot.

So unless you are suggesting that all exclusive pay sites have not only protected their content via streaming, but also not tried to make any money via VOD, Clip stores, PPV, and DVD distribution. You can stop blowing that horn saying it would of protected people. Only people it would of protected would of been the tiny site owners who nobody notices anyways, which are pretty much the same ones the tubes ignore now.

Ahh the "some of it is obviously going to get out so why bother with any of it" theory. I love that one.

5% chance your car will get stolen so why bother locking it up, and you may as well leave the key in the ignition cause they will just break the lock, and you better leave a nice snack for them too incase they get hungry on their trip. Thats a stupid reason to just give in and let members download and keep your content.
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09-21-2009, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

5% chance your car will get stolen so why bother locking it up, and you may as well leave the key in the ignition cause they will just break the lock, and you better leave a nice snack for them too incase they get hungry on their trip. Thats a stupid reason to just give in and let members download and keep your content.

You're dumb and spew the same tired bullshit everytime. Your analogy is weak. No one's serving it up like and you know it. That's why you have to resort to make it sound that way. When you have something of value, then come back and tell us about how thief-proof it is. Until then, you should just shut up.

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09-21-2009, 06:49 PM

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09-21-2009, 06:52 PM

Its still the "wild wild west" the adult ecommerce internet has really only been around going strong for roughly what, 15 yrs? This is just another evolution.

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09-21-2009, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

You're dumb and spew the same tired bullshit everytime. Your analogy is weak. No one's serving it up like and you know it. That's why you have to resort to make it sound that way. When you have something of value, then come back and tell us about how thief-proof it is. Until then, you should just shut up.

Ya maybe you should catch up on what the general sentiment has been about protecting your content here lately. Would you like linked to the 13 page threads about it where most everyone was agreeing with me?
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09-21-2009, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

Ahh the "some of it is obviously going to get out so why bother with any of it" theory. I love that one.

5% chance your car will get stolen so why bother locking it up, and you may as well leave the key in the ignition cause they will just break the lock, and you better leave a nice snack for them too incase they get hungry on their trip. Thats a stupid reason to just give in and let members download and keep your content.

What does surfers downloading content have anything to do with tubes?

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09-21-2009, 06:55 PM

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09-21-2009, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by woj

What does surfers downloading content have anything to do with tubes?

Lol yes we all know most of the content is uploaded by the tube owners, but do you think they go and pay the membership fees and download it themselves? And if they do well... there you go... lol

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09-21-2009, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

Ahh the "some of it is obviously going to get out so why bother with any of it" theory. I love that one.
5% chance your car will get stolen so why bother locking it up, and you may as well leave the key in the ignition cause they will just break the lock, and you better leave a nice snack for them too incase they get hungry on their trip. Thats a stupid reason to just give in and let members download and keep your content.

That response does not apply to my post or how we are talking. May as well screamed YOGURT, it would of meant as much.

I am all for streaming the material. I am all for protecting it as much as I can. I just do not lecture about it every week. I am doing this primarly to prevent user theft, not tube theft. They are two entirely diferent types of thieves and cause different types of damage.

"How do you think all these tube sites got the content? cause no one gave a shit about trying to make sure it stays "in" their members areas. If you had it protected the tubes wouldn't exist or they would at the least be paying to use the content. Wrap your head around that one."

I just said how they got it, answering the question you asked in bold. Although since you added your own wrong answer I suppose you felt the question was over.
They ripped their material from DVD's. Just about every successful site out there had DVD's as well so they got the paysites too. So yes they would exist just as they are.

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What does surfers downloading content have anything to do with tubes?

They are 2 seperate type of issues but he blends them.

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

Lol yes we all know most of the content is uploaded by the tube owners, but do you think they go and pay the membership fees and download it themselves? And if they do well... there you go... lol

Again see above. Of course latter on they may grab some torrent files and add them to their tubes too. Yes if you prevent it from getting to the torrents and such you will remain sort of safe.

Just do not sell any clips you want to not end up on a torrent. Nor do any PPV, nor any VOD sites, and do not release any DVD's or home consumer material.

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09-21-2009, 08:04 PM

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What does surfers downloading content have anything to do with tubes?

I think he might still be trying to sell that un-downloadable/un-camtasiable video thingy majigger...

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09-21-2009, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

Maybe the "industry" should start trying to protect their content instead of going for the quick money grab? How do you think all these tube sites got the content? cause no one gave a shit about trying to make sure it stays "in" their members areas. If you had it protected the tubes wouldn't exist or they would at the least be paying to use the content. Wrap your head around that one.

I totally agree with Sticky on this issue.

Originally posted by qxm

.....I can see ur point.... however I seriously doubt anyone or rather any sponsor who allows their full length videos to be upped to these illegal tubes to all of the sudden "start protecting" their content this late in the game...

It's never too late man. I know of a LOT of mid to LARGE programs changing over to streaming only right now. Once a few of the big boys announce what they have been working on, everyone else will follow. Then we circle the wagons and DMCA what IS out there, to death.

Originally posted by After Shock Media

Sticky you have attempted to make this point over and over again. Even if the site owners had protected the shit up until when tubes hit it big a couple years ago. What do you think would of stopped them from ripping every damn DVD they could get their hands on? Since that is what most of them did anyways. I mean unless you were not paying attention in Costa Rica and did not attend certain seminars, you would of heard at least one large tube person mention it.
You may want to wrap your head around the fact that most successful pay sites have or had ventured into their own DVD lines by that time as well. Ripping it off from a DVD makes it pretty damn easy and keeps everything organized to boot.

So unless you are suggesting that all exclusive pay sites have not only protected their content via streaming, but also not tried to make any money via VOD, Clip stores, PPV, and DVD distribution. You can stop blowing that horn saying it would of protected people. Only people it would of protected would of been the tiny site owners who nobody notices anyways, which are pretty much the same ones the tubes ignore now.

Like I said above, there are a few mega companies (some of the biggest) changing over to all streaming right now. They will sent the trend everyone is now afraid of and this will soon be the norm. Bookmark this post and visit it later.

Originally posted by Brujah

You're dumb and spew the same tired bullshit everytime. Your analogy is weak. No one's serving it up like and you know it. That's why you have to resort to make it sound that way. When you have something of value, then come back and tell us about how thief-proof it is. Until then, you should just shut up.

Not true man. As I already said, some MAJOR players are re-encoding right now, about to go all streaming, just the way Sticky has been saying all this time.

Love him or hate him, he was right on this issue. You'll see this once a few of these companies start setting the trend, as they always do.
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09-21-2009, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

"How do you think all these tube sites got the content? cause no one gave a shit about trying to make sure it stays "in" their members areas.

This is rapidly changing.

Use your head on this one. The industry FUCKED UP on this, but now many are catching on that this is the only way to go.
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09-21-2009, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by stickyfingerz

Ahh the "some of it is obviously going to get out so why bother with any of it" theory. I love that one.

5% chance your car will get stolen so why bother locking it up, and you may as well leave the key in the ignition cause they will just break the lock, and you better leave a nice snack for them too incase they get hungry on their trip. Thats a stupid reason to just give in and let members download and keep your content.

You're a fucking idiot.

EDIT, I forgot you are developing a solution and will be soon 'selling' the service. Go figure.

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09-21-2009, 09:42 PM

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You're a fucking idiot.

EDIT, I forgot you are developing a solution and will be soon 'selling' the service. Go figure.

Actually man, all of you busting the balls of people who are moving to streaming, are going to be the odd men out come pretty soon. If you had any clue at how many people are moving into streaming, you would hold your tongue.
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09-21-2009, 09:43 PM

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09-22-2009, 01:36 AM

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09-22-2009, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

They ripped their material from DVD's. Just about every successful site out there had DVD's as well so they got the paysites too. So yes they would exist just as they are.

We have never released our videos on DVDs, and yet we have to DMCA our stuff off various illegal tube and torrent sites DAILY. I'm pretty sure that switching to streaming only model which we're going to do soon will help alot with that problem.

Sure many sites do have their stuff on DVDs but getting a DVD is way harder and more expensive than just going to members section with a stolen password and downloading. By cutting at least this source of infringenent off you'll surely decrease the amount of your stuff floating around. The effect will be less than in the case of sites that distribute their videos inside member areas only, but you'll still see the effect.

Tube site owners get lots of "help" from their users when it comes to collecting and uploading content, that's why many of them boast such an amazing variety of videos - one or several owners are hardly capable of getting such a broad scoop of stuff by visiting member areas and downloading, let alone ripping DVDs. The harder you make it for all of them (both surfers and tube site owners) to rip your vids, the less of them will be floating around.

Streaming is not 100% defence against infringements, but it reduces the amount of it to the a managable level.

If you do not have your videos on DVDs, not not sell in clipstores etc, streaming will reduce the amount of your stuff out there by 98% I think.

If you do some of the above, streaming will cut the amount of your stuff floating around by probably 80% - which is less then it is in the first case, but still not bad at all.

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09-22-2009, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

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Welcome to da jungle baaaaaaaabeeeeeeeeee

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exactly, i think this is wake up call to those who had this fairy tale vision of "adult" being some carebear industry LOL

working in the san fernando valley for a decade taught me more about "adult" than anything youll ever read online LOL

this is the Darkside and the Horde keep it that way.

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#47

09-22-2009, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by GetNaughty

Its still the "wild wild west" the adult ecommerce internet has really only been around going strong for roughly what, 15 yrs? This is just another evolution.

I see tubes as the de-evolution of adult. Back in the day 97-99 people were stealing content all over the place too because it was so expensive. People eventually smartened up and sponsors started offering content to promote with. Piracy was fairly dead in adult. Then these tubes come around and once a few are doing it, so many feel that its "ok". Way to set the industry back 10 years.

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#48

09-22-2009, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Not true man. As I already said, some MAJOR players are re-encoding right now, about to go all streaming, just the way Sticky has been saying all this time.

Love him or hate him, he was right on this issue. You'll see this once a few of these companies start setting the trend, as they always do.

I would NEVER buy a membership to a site that is stream only. Streaming sucks. Hell that's why tubes suck. STREAMING. Oh yeah I love movies that fucking buffer every 10 fucking seconds on my 20 Mbps connection. I can only imagine the poor sucker that has a much slower connection ( MOST of America ) feels. Some people prefer download not because they want to keep the thing forever, but because it plays smoother and it can be watched at one's convenience even without a internet connection
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#49

09-22-2009, 06:14 AM

There's zero real community in this industry, small cliques and nothing more. If the industry actually gave a shit about it's own wellbeing it would band together as a whole and do something about it. But as wecan all see that will never happen. online adult is a sinking fucking ship until the laws change to protect it, and that clearly isn't going to happen. that's why i said fuck it and got out. There is just no clear and visible future.

If there was a real community, it would be as simple as someone firing up a new board on a $8 domain with a $200 vb license, and EVERYONE of value to this forum, just migrating elsewhere. Everyone coming together and saying, well, fuck TrafficJunky, no one buys traffic from them ever. but again, not gonna see that ever fucking. Never.

So fuck it, I hopped in my lifeboat and have gone looking elsewhere for my online monies. There's clearly no future in this biz. Especially for the affiliate, who is going to be the first to really feel the pain.
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#50

09-22-2009, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by GatorB

I would NEVER buy a membership to a site that is stream only.

You might reconsider that one day if it becomes your only option.

But I give it a whopping 6 months tops before some bored malayasian teen cracker with a taste fo free pornography dismantles the entire fucking system and they're sharing all your shit again.

If it can be coded, it can be just as easily coded around...
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