Just let them die! Who cares anyways... Teabaggers in here!
 

"(CNN) -- A freelance cameraman's appendix ruptured and by the time he was admitted to surgery, it was too late. A self-employed mother of two is found dead in bed from undiagnosed heart disease. A 26-year-old aspiring fashion designer collapsed in her bathroom after feeling unusually fatigued for days.
Paul Hannum's family members say he probably would've gone to the hospital earlier if he had had health insurance.

What all three of these people have in common is that they experienced symptoms, but didn't seek care because they were uninsured and they worried about the hospital expense, according to their families. All three died."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18...nce/index.html

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Right, or?

The real problem with health care is the COST, not insurance.


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I will ne honest. I have no health insurance. I have it for my children, but my wife and I do not. It is too expensive, but when we have to go for a checkup or visit we go to a walkin clinic. It's like $75 in and out the door minus prescriptions obviously.

But I can tell you one thing for sure, if my wife or I were experiencing any sort of life threatening symptoms, I would take her or myself to the hospital regardless of the outcome or expenses. I could care less if you are going to hit me with a half a million dollar bill for heart surgery on my wife or me.

I would do my best to pay it, but come on... I guess in a situation like that I would just let the debt rack up and file bankruptcy or something.

Can you rid medical debt by bankruptcy? I'm formulating an idea! lol

Whats the healthcare like in Norway?

I dont mind paying taxes if I get something in return Oystein. So I say Medicare for all is the way to go. But you cant get anything done in Washington until you get the Corporate money out of the politicians pockets. So step 1. is public campaign finance and step 2 is Medicare for all.

Opinions on a site called Go fuckyourself should be taken with a giant grain of salt but thats mine.

Peace!
Joe

Only lazy people don't have health insurance. The free market will provide for you if you're willing to work for it. I'm tired of my tax dollars being spent on these lazy freeloaders

Joe - I live in the US and have insurance for my family. I believe we pay something like $1100 a month for family insurance. I can afford it so it is all good.

In Norway EVERYONE have access to healthcare - lines might be a tad long for surgeries and so on but everyone will get it. I personally think it is a good system. It is taken out of the taxes which are fairly high.

Last summer (2008) when I was on vacation in Norway I had to undergo emergency appendicitis - I have not lived in Norway for almost 14 years - I spent a full week in the hospital. Once released from the hospital I asked the nurses where to pay - They laughed at me and said that I was "free to go" and I went.

I did not pay A SINGLE KRONE (penny) for my surgery, 9 (average) morphine shots a day, 7 day stay and to top it off my nurses were super cute.

Now THAT is awesome!

Incorrect, fuck you!


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Bah, don't even respond to the rapist fake nick to date on gfy...

open wide "America" ...


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basic preventive care is a good investment. We should encourage people in this regard. I have what is basically catastrophic coverage (very high deductible). It isn't that expensive but covers basic routine care... I think a plan like this would be reasonable for everyone.

I used to work for a health care company 60 of 125 people worked on the billing team. Their job was to argue and make sure the insurance companies paid us correctly. I see that as huge waste. I don't think the government is going to be more efficient though.

You think health care is expensive now, wait until it's free.

I'm 50 years old. I started my own business when I was 23 and had excellent insurance for myself and my employees for more than 2 decades. When I sold my business I picked up personal coverage thru the same insurance company, Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

Not being part of a group, each year my individual rates increased at a disgusting percentage.

Except for cold medicine and regular checkups I NEVER HAD A CLAIM IN 25 YEARS!

Both of my parents had heart problems. My parents brother and sister died from cancer.

I am now a high risk based on age and family history. Short of small bullshit policies NO ONE will insure me do to my "high risk" situation.

Never mind I paid for 25 years without a claim I am now uninsured. That is the problem facing many of the uninsured. The insurance companies will take your money while you are young but stop when you reach a certain age when you might actually have a claim.

Would I pay for insurance? Of course. Have I payed a fortune already? Damn right. Did I get fucked by Americas health care system ........ obviously.


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Aye, can't wait for the prices to drop.. I mean, if Canada and the UK can do it, America can too right?

I wish someone would do a study on how much extra money canadians would really have if they had to pay for their own health care.

In Latvia we have socialized health care but if you don't want to give birth unattended in the emergency room hallway then you need to pay. Having said that it is still cheaper here when you have to pay for something then it would be in the US because doctors don't get paid very much.

My ex g/f had a masters in health care and supervised about 25 employees who's only job was to argue with insurance companies about their contract with a state universities hospital about billing.


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This is it precisely. If there's anything to be done about this bullshit pig-in-a-poke-keep-the-natives-fighting goal (come on, we can't even decide wether or not homosexual relationships should get marriage benefits - like we can handle fucking unified healthcare), we should force a maximal amount of profit on the medical angle and not allow them to push off so many unpaid bills onto other clients.

I had to go in for four x-rays. Four. Took 10 minutes. My bill is $800 after my insurance paid $1200. That's just criminal.

Please explain this theory to us that are so ignorant that we dont get it... :thumbsup

Very simple. The price of health care is going to go through the roof. Maybe not for welfare people, but if you make any kind of money, your taxes are going up!!!!

Not just that, you ever seen a US Government-run program that is NOT a money pit?

taxes will go up but how much? If you are paying 500-1000/month in health insurance I very much doubt your taxes will go up that much unless you are making millions/hundreds of thousands..and if you are you should have a creative accountant that can make the majority of that disappear anyhow..

Profit should not be a factor in providing something as essential to public order and welfare as Health care. Do we leave law enforcement to the private sector? Do we leave fire services to the private sector? Oh I'm sorry sir you have a pre existing crime so we can't protect you from the burglar.. lol It's immoral to leave health care to the corporate middlemen. The irony of the whole death panel farce is that the Insurance companies already have the only death panels as they decide what procedure is too costly and what is not and who to kick off the policies for costing them to much money even though they're paying dues each month!

Over 1/3d of all kids growing up now will have Diabetes. Costing all of us shitloads of money and the families of these kids misery.
Heart disease is the number one killer in the US and most of it can be prevented by proper exercise, diet and not smoking.

Medicare for all. Gives us all choice of who to use and takes the profit out of it. Right now theres a profit incentive in keeping Americans sick. Which is why health care is so expensive! My fees went up several times in recent years I mean double and tripple.

Call your congressman and tell him or her to do their job! Public Option or Medicare for all!

In 2005, the United States spent 16 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent by 2016.1

Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Not only are we spending more of our GDP, we are covering a smaller percentage of people while we are at it!

Although nearly 47 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.


Know why? Because when everyone is covered, the prices go down.

And SS was ran fine until bush screwed it up, and the medicaid/care, one of them is doing perfectly fine.

As for taxes vs. Canadians.. The average person making 50k a year in American actually pays more Taxas than a Canadian. Canadians pay on a scale, first 22k, next 40k, etc. All of which is less than our 25%. Then when you add our cost of Insurance, we pay like double what they pay, another 20-25% for the average American.

At the end of the Day, Socialist Canada allows it's citizens take home a bigger % of money to spend than Americans.

My dog had a lump on her stomach ..... Took her to the vet ... surgery scheduled.

Just like a human, nothing to eat the night before anesthesia. Next morning I take her to my vet in Ft Myers.

They put her under ... remove the growth and some surrounding tissue, send blood/tissue samples to a lab for testing, monitor her until 5 that afternoon, give me 2 medications to be administered daily, schedule follow-up visit to remove staples.

While I'm waiting for her to be brought up the surgery is being explained, the bill itemized. $340.00 ...... That's right, $340.00.

Granted this is a dog but does anyone see where I'm going with this? Just a double occupancy room at my local hospital would cost more than that. (A room that I wouldn't take if staying at a hotel)

It's the cost that's the problem ....



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keep in mind that in our current sytem, 70% of the total cost is due to lawyers and administrators. socialized medicine will rid us of most of the legal issuues, because you can't sue the federal govenment. this will also rid us of at least half of the billers and administrators. Add to this a little regulation on the exorbitant fees some medical practitioners charge and we could easily reduce the costs 50-60%. That's a bargain, and with the doing away of the bs system where insurance companies refuse pre existing conditions, where people can then actually pay for insurance instead of entering the hospital without insurance and we can have everyone insured for half the cost of what people currently pay to have half the people insured. Lastly we make the insurance companies covering medical non-profit, service companies and therefore no longer answerable to the stock market. thats how you do it. trouble is the lawyers and the insurers have a vested interest in the status quo, their lobbies are huge and this will be a tough sell. We need to do it, I was in the hospital for a week just 3 weeks ago, without insurance I might be dead today. I am thankful I could qualify for and afford insurance, but at 45 my costs go up every year, I for one am frightened about what might happen when thats no longer true.

Problem I see Ycaza is that most TeaBaggers do NOT want to hear the truth and therefore your excellent post (except for the layout, which was terrible - so I fixed that for you ;-) ) is not replied to. :2 cents::upsidedow

You might have a better chance of convincing people if you stopped slurring them as TeaBaggers. :2 cents:

You might be right. I just copied the word used by CNN and most other media outlets.

Yea that is because they are using the term to attempt slur and marginalize the Tea Party protesters. Obviously no one refers to themselves as a "teabagger" since everyone knows it is a sexual reference and an obvious slur. The repeated use of the term in the MSM is one of the most blatant examples ever of their institutional bias. I am not sure why a homophobic slur is deemed an appropriate way to refer to right wing protesters but apparently at CNN they think it is perfectly acceptable.

If the MSM wants to be considered an objective medium then resorting to schoolyard taunts to refer to a large element of the political spectrum is not a very good way to go about it. :2 cents:

teabagger is not homophobic LOL :1orglaugh

I see girls teabagged in almost every porn video on tours these days.

I teabag my g/f everyday!!!


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Less likely the vet will be sued if something happens and the dog dies, or has worse issues after the surgery. THAT is the major difference. Sue happy people looking to retire due to a mistake made by a doctor.

What a timely thread...

For my potential cancer, I thought I had found a workaround with my boyfriends insurance -- through his domestic partner benefits.

It turns out that it covers no pre-existing conditions for the first year.

So I am now back to square one ... abnormal growth on my spine -- that is actively growing, which is what doctors worry about -- it's usually nothing if it doesn't grow, but if it does grow..., thought I had found health insurance ... and it will be another year before I can figure anything out.

This must change. NOW!

there you have your problem. :2 cents:

I love how people from other countries think their input means anything.

not listening to people from other countries and not caring about their experiences is part of the problem.

I concur.

that sums up the whole issue ...

sorry to hear that tough ...

your tax dollars are already benefiting the "free loaders", but you are not getting any benefits from it. Why allow your tax dollars to benefit only the poor when it can benefit everyone, you included? You already help fund welfare and all the other social services, but you don't get any of that money or the other shit that comes with it. If the US had free health care sure, your tax dollars would help the "lazy" as you stated, but at the same time YOU benefit also.

Your taxes would not go up by that much. Compared to what you pay for health insurance right now per year you would actually save money having a small tax increase and free health care. No matter what you do you are helping the "lazy freeloaders" as well as the greedy gov. pricks so why not at least benefit from it in some way?

I didn't read the thread, or even look at the other options. I am a teabagger, nothing like a nice set of nuts in my mouth rolling around.

One of the problems is that insurance and medical billing practices create a positive feedback loop that inflates the cost of healthcare.

One way to solve the problem would be to pass a law making it illegal to bill different rates to insurance customers and cash customers - thus cutting the positive feedback loop.

However, this won't happen, because the insurance and medical corporations own congress thru the corruption of their privately funded electoral system.

So, we are stuck with whatever health care costs and system the corporatists decide we are allowed to have - and we can be sure that whatever it is, it will make them richer at our expense.

This is the point of the "bipartisan' proposal, which will require everyone to buy expensive coverage, and create a giant new federal enforcement and information collecting mechanism to ensure that everyone pays the required fees.

Baddog is just part of the problem. He has yet to offer an idea that makes any sense or something base in reality. He would rather take care of his ship and not help the people sinking on the other ship.

Health care is a right.

How many against health care reform don't shop and pay for their own health insurance?

If you get it thru your job you really have no idea what the issue is about. When you are below a certain age and work for a large company you are a cash-cow for the insurance industry. If you work for the government, city/state, you also have no clue.

If members of the house and senate had to find their own insurance we wouldn't have this thread.

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How can something that requires the labor of others be a "right"?

Since when? Oh, that's right, since prisoners get health care it must be a right. Just like HBO.

they get hbo now 2?

fuck this. im going to stick up a bank. its a win/win.

Being able to purchase insurance without prejudice should be a right.

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