really intersting delima here..:)
 

OK heres the deal. A friend of mines is a first time net user. He surfs the net when he's here so I let him get on my laptop and go to work. I recently told him what I do and now he wants to get into building sites and whatnot but he doesnt know jack schitt about html or even dialers for that matter.What in the fuck could I have him do to start off??

edit: I spelled dilemma

i would make a ton of galleries for him, and just get him submitting for a while.....he will start to learn the game

start slow....dont flood him with information coz it wont sink in

true..I guess we can start with the basics of galleries and telling him never to download exe files.. :(

I try that with my roommate but he's too stupid to understand, he'd click on any virus

Spend a little time teaching him about MS Frontpage, tables, and simple image editing/compression.

I bet he has his first site out in less than a week :)

you could give him a list of TGPs (50% good sites, 50% shit sites)
give him a week to surf these sites, then to make a report on them for you....this will help assess if he has got 'what it takes' to learn the game.....it will also help you to realise what joe public thinks of TGPs etc...

not a bad idea...he is pretty profisient when it comes to urls and whatnot..

Here is a simple 5 step plan for him to follow

- Sign up for an account with geocities.com
- Sign up for a dialer
- Get a couple pictures of anna kournikova
- Get a tgp submitter
- Spam all the tgp's with your anna dialer page

Rinse & Repeat

Exactly. I have a new guy starting this week doing exactly that... but I'm making him create the Gallery. I'm giving him photos and having him run them through Arles Image Web Page Creator, then using Front Page to customize them. Then I'm having him upload them to a free site and giving him a list of TGP's to submit to...

I signed him up as an affiliate to my website so he receives 50/50 recurring revenue on any joins that result. He's stoked! Free photos to look at and money to boot. Better than working at Burger King, where he was working until getting fired for fighting. Now he gets to site on his ass in front of a screen all day and look at naked chicks. I told him to surf each site and get ideas from galleries he likes. I told him "find galleries that would make YOU join and imitate them".

Just my :2 cents:

only if didnt give a fuck about him

My freshman year at Ole Miss I told my roommate what I did. Of course he wanted to do it.... so I started telling him shit. told him it was gonna be a shitload of hard work etc. Basically he wanted me to do all the work and give him a half of what I made. Needless to say that didnt happen.

TDF, you are nicer than I would be. Frankly, we've got more idiot newbie competition than we really need. If one of my friends who had as little knowledge as you say your friend has came to me and said 'Hey, start me off. I wanna be a millionaire too!!' I'd tell them to fuck off. I suppose its harsh, and I'm not trying to bogart the porn empire pie, but I've got my own work to do rather than try and hand hold some newbie through his first free-hosted free sites and avs sites. If he really wants to get started, tell him to learn a bit of the basics somewhere and then do it the way most of us did.

1. Trawl the info sites. I won't post URL's but there are a few out there as I'm sure we all know
2. Sign up with free-hosting and get free content
3. Build sites and submit them to TGP's and AVS's
4. Keep building and wait for money to start coming in to finance private hosting and better content

I'll tip my hat to you if you walk him through all that but I gotta say, I wouldn't bother.:2 cents:

first time net user? ack hehe

you cant never have too many loyal people on your team. If anyone knows me knows I will help anyone who wants to help themselves....who knows,he might have his own empire one day!

Here's an idea: Tell him the industry sucks and he'll never make money. Exaggerate the difficulty of the job and stress the shady legality. Convince him that this is not the job for him.

Like we need more competition.

SpaceAce

make him read the 10-15 first pages in the "newbie" section on GFY - It summs up many of the newbie Q and A's. Then give him a small TGP

there are hundreds of fly by night webmasters..what makes you think your not one of them?

stunt cock...never has to touch a keyboard

I wouldnt teach anyone the biz. its a dog eat dog biz and the last thing you need is more competition. I learned it on my own.

Good way to see if you're wasting your time. Cause this happens to me a lot...

Pass him an HTML Quickstart Guide...

Then test the guy -- if he can't study the shit then he's not worth the effort... This biz is constant education -- most people aren't willing to put the effort into learning.

Chances are if he doesn't already know HTML, he wasn't really interested in the first place.

its this type of mentality that makes people wonder why people fuck people over all the time and ZISA wants to self regulate us..do u really think there is not enough bread for all of us to eat?? Hell, I make easily 2x what I was making as an exec. of a record company and i STILL have yet to reach ANYWHERE my true potential...maybe your doing something wrong or arent hustling hard enough?

word...think with your dick and not your mind.. :)

I've had lots of friends inquire about what I do... and I've tried to explain it to them. I guess it depends on the person and how motivated they really, really are to get into this game and quit their jobs. Takes a certain type of person, really.

I find that it takes a good while, year or two at the least, before someone really grasps netiquette and the proper way to do business online. People just seem to think that because the internet is so wild, the same principles apply to doing business here.

However if you have the right person who wants to learn, and you are the right teacher, good things could happen.

I've long given up helping any of my friends get into this game. If they really wanted to, they'd at least have to put a lot of time into it all on their own, reading and learning. Several hours worth. Cause that's what I did and perhaps that is why I so dearly appreciate this industry and how easy it is once you have learned the game.

I'm still always in disbelief on how much money people actually do spend on porn. :1orglaugh

I've spent the last 3 years learning what I know about this biz. on my own... trying things that don't work and finding out what does, if I had even $5.00 for every hour that I spent just learning how to get a single sign up I would be richer than I am know.

If somebody wants to get into porn on the internet... I think they better forget about life as they know it and get ready for a looooong hard trip, many many hours of work with little or no pay.

But if they have what it takes one day they will feel like it was all worth it.... nothing is easy or free :)

Tell'em to learn on their own :321GFY

TDF - if you have the time and the patience to teach your friend about the porn industry, more power to you!!

I'm not nearly as concerned about well-educated newbies as I am the dumb-asses that show up out of nowhere, use AOHell's page builder to make a gallery of 100 pics of Ms. Spears with NO advertising, and then run around submitting to all the major TGPs out there. I don't care if their sites only have a shelf life of 24 hours... these are the idiots that having Washington checking us out with a magnifying glass.

I'll take one newbie who's been "trained" by someone with experience in the biz over the clueless asshole masses any day of the week. :2 cents:

Christ, I had to pay for my own computer and learn everything myself, and this guy is using your laptop and being spoon fed info...

Give him some pointers and such but I wouldn't hold his hand every step of the way.

I think TDF is doing a good thing. Sure, this way the guy he's helping is cutting corners, but he's also bringing in referral payments and most importantly, someone you can trust and do projects with.

As to what he could do, I think galleries first, then some freesites or avs, and perhaps you could also have him updating your TGP :) Which is a bitch to do anyways.. I'd have him start out with surfing some porn and learning HTML though :)

Good luck :thumbsup

exactly, you can teach html, you can't teach loyalty.......

TDF
I think that's a great idea and if you have the time and patience, it's a great endeavor.

have him do whatever is simple and can make money. submitting to TGP's is a great way to start, or doing graphics or gateway pages or anything. pay him 50% of what he makes and he gets to learn for free and it won't cost you anything either. have him do little things to help you out to teach him the ropes and keep you moving forward on your projects at the same time.

I've started many people this way and it definitely comes around. First of all, I enjoy teaching what I know, plus after 6 months to a year, they'll have a solid foundation upon which they can learn programming, advanced design or administration skills and then start teaching you things you didn't know!

If they ever leave, then that's okay too, I have lots of people whom i trained from scratch working for big companies around the country now and it's a very valuable resource for questions or subcontract help or industry insight or VIP passes or whatever. Plus i still have residual checks coming in from the work they did for me 4 years ago:)

I say teach everything you know, it's tough enough an industry as it is, the more educated we all are and the more of us there are, the more we can all work together and all make more money.

I think you can. I took people working in restaurants for $6/hour and a year or so later, they're making a shitload more than that and enjoying their work. These former students are not just employees or former employees they are now thankful and loyal friends, I'd even say they're family. When you spend 20 hours a week teaching someone one-on-one, loyalty is just a by-product.

Tell him to go to Tom's Newbie Booster and read 30 days worth of posts.

That should give him some idea of the different thing that he could do and by then he should have some idea of what he would like to do.

I never said any of that. Where I am coming from is.... It is TUFF to teach someone the biz. It takes alot of time to learn this. Some people want fast results, which most always dont happen. I have been in the Business along time TDF. Dont bust my chops for having an opinion.

dont get me wrong I respect your opinion and I respect the years that you have put into this industry however, I will always be humble from my beginnings as a newbie and my stupid ass questions I would ask sponsors and other webmasters. Just as someone said earlier you cant teach loyalty and this is someone I have known since my high school days...a real friend won't step on his competetions toes and steal ideas

TDF, thank you for the respect :) When it comes to business, I trust very few people, if any 100%. Money and power has a strange affect on values.
Now, I have helped people out, with scripts, banners, ect. But I draw the line at teaching (the whole nine yards) and handholding (so to speak) I have had family members want me to teach them the whole kit and kaboodle. I refuse. If they want to follow me around for a week, maybe lol but the people I have seen wouldnt have the patience nor time. (if that makes any sense to you.) You are a sweet heart for helping your friend.

thank you...if he cant catch on quickly he will make an excellent mandingo stunt cock! :)

LOL oh and *hugs* my sweet brother :)

When my gf moves out here she wants to get involved with the site and help me out, so I figured setting her up with content from one of my sponsors and teaching her how to make galleries would be a good start.

:thumbsup to you for wanting to help out your friend, TDF. It can work out wonderfully, or you can really get burned, and there's never really any way to find out which it's gonna be until you give it a shot. I got burned VERY badly with a friend I was helping out in a mainstream web biz I had, but I'm not letting that stop me from helping my gf if I can. I admire anyone with that strength of loyalty to their friends, so that's just another reason I think you're pretty dang cool. :)

aw shucks..im just a ghetto black guy with a vision and a dick:glugglug