****NFL CHAT**** Was it a Mistake for THE BEARS to get Jay Cutler? Discuss
 

For me, it's a tough call. He has talent, some good real raw talent. I think he is lacking a bit in the leadership area though. Chicago also did not do much to get him any main targets. Sure Olsen will be a stud, but they are putting WAY too much into Hester, and he's just not the goods. They should have went after Tory Holt, or even bring in Marvin Harrison to give them something.

I also think Chicago would be VERY smart to bring in an older veteran QB and have him backup/hold the clipboard and mentor Cutler, he is going to really need it to mature. Get Mark Brunell, hell grab Vinny Testaverde, anyone to mentor him.

Cutler has a chance to be something great, but I think he's on the road to be another Drew Bledsoe, amazing arm, just never coached to his full potential.

Thoughts?

Discuss....

I think he has a great season. Forte will rock and Hester will step up. For the record, I have both Jay and Forte on my fantasy team this year :) I would have loved to see them grab Marvin Harrison though.

the question always boils down to can he win a superbowl?


no.

I don't think he has the goods to win it either, not mature enough. I think his only hope is an awesome mentor...

Shouldn't it boil down to did adding Cutler make Chicago a better team?

Yes.

Cutler is insane, i am pissed denver traded him. he is maturing into a winning quarterback.

dont forget denvers offense was insane last year it was just their defence couldnt stop the run and they were constantly behind.

Could be right on that - I agree with the thought of getting him a successful veteran QB to back him up and mentor him. I'm a SD fan and I think Flutie was instrumental in the growing success of Brees, who yes hasn't gotten to or won a Super Bowl yet, but clearly is one of the elite QBs in the league now and is more than capable of getting a ring sooner or later IMO.

glad we don't have Kyle Orton :2 cents:
Cutler gives us a much better chance of winning!

No matter who they get... the Bears will still SUCK!

Sorry! Just a little pissed that they beat the Giants on that last pre-season game! :mad:

Time for my meds! :oP

no, a better team is fine and dandy but this is the nfl and that means winning the super bowl.

especially for a team like the bears.

I think all of you are putting WAAAAYYYYYYYYYY too much into preseason football.

Cutler is another Jeff George. :2 cents:

And Jeff George was an amazing talent that was never coached or mentored properly.

Sad to say, but taking the time to mature someone goes a long long way.

george was awesome when he played for the raiders the 1st time, a good environment for him to do well, then they changed the offense

The Bears are still a running team, and Cutler opens up huge lanes because of the pass threat. You saw that in the last preseason game.

Hester will never be an elite receiver, but he'll get better

Cutler has plenty of skills to win a SB. Look at Jim McMahon, he wasn't that good but he had the swagger to make his team play for him. If you watch the other players on the Bears talk about Cutler, they believe in him.

Cutler isn't a born leader and is a little flakey, but he's more than good enough to lead a decent team to the Super Bowl.

If you are a Denver fan, I feel for ya.

Gunna be a REALLLLLYYYYYY long year for you guys :(

Here is a look at the last 23 years of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks and what kind of careers they have or had.




1987 Phil Simms, New York Giants: First-round draft pick (7th overall) in 1979. Simms was a two-time Pro Bowler in ’85 and ’93. He won the ’85 Pro Bowl MVP and was the ’87 Super Bowl MVP. He finished his career with 199 touchdowns, 33,462 passing yards and a QB rating of 78.5.

1988 Doug Williams, Washington Redskins: First-round draft pick (17th overall to Tampa) in ’78. Williams was the first black quarterback to ever win the Super Bowl. He led Tampa Bay to three playoff appearances and one NFC championship game from ’79-’82. After he left, they didn’t make the playoffs again until 1997. In ’87 he had a 94.0 passer rating and won the SB MVP.

1989 Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers: Third-round pick (82nd overall) in ’79. Montana was an eight-time Pro Bowler, a two-time NFL MVP, a four-time Super Bowl champion and three-time Super Bowl MVP. He ended his Hall of Fame career with 273 touchdowns, 40,551 passing yards and a 92.3 quarterback rating.

1990 Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers.

1991 Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants: Third-round pick (59th overall) in 1984. Hostetler was a backup until he led the Simms-less Giants to the Super Bowl in ’91. He made the Pro Bowl (bet you didn’t know that) in ’94 with the Raiders and finished his career with an 80.4 passer rating.

1992 Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins: Sixth-round draft pick (146th overall) in ’86. Rypien was a two-time Pro Bowler, a two-time Super Bowl champ and was the ’92 Super Bowl MVP. He finished his career with 115 touchdowns and a 78.9 quarterback rating.

1993 Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys: First-round pick (1st overall) in ’89. Aikman was one of the greats of all-time. He was a six-time Pro Bowler, a three-time Super Bowl champ and the ’93 Super Bowl MVP. He finished his Hall of Fame career with 165 touchdowns, 32,942 passing yards and an 81.6 passer rating.

1994 Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys.

1995 Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers: First-round draft pick in ’84 supplemental draft. Young was a seven-time Pro Bowler, a two-time NFL MVP and was the ’95 Super Bowl MVP. He racked up 232 touchdowns, 33, 124 passing yards and a NFL record 96.8 career passer rating. Young was also a feared runner during his Hall of Fame career.

1996 Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys.

1997 Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers: Second-round pick (33rd overall) in ’91. Favre was a 10-time Pro Bowler, three-time NFL MVP and has the NFL records for touchdowns (464) and passing yards (65,127). He has a career passer rating of 85.4 and is a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

1998 John Elway, Denver Broncos: First-round pick (1st overall) in ’83. Elway was a nine-time Pro Bowler, the ’87 NFL MVP, the ’99 Super Bowl MVP and is in the Hall of Fame. His career numbers are 300 touchdowns, 51,475 passing yards and a passer rating of 79.9.

1999 John Elway, Denver Broncos.

2000 Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams: Undrafted. Warner is one of the poster boys that people like to use as to why you don’t need to draft a quarterback in the first round, however, most don’t realize how GREAT Warner is when they make that claim, as to think that any quarterback undrafted will be this good. In 10 seasons, Warner is a four-time Pro Bowler, a two-time NFL MVP and was the ’00 Super Bowl MVP. He also led two other teams to the Super Bowl but was unsuccessful, in ’02 with the Rams and ’09 with the Cardinals. He currently has 182 touchdowns, 28,591 passing yards and a passer rating of 93.8. He is a Hall of Famer in my book.

2001 Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens: Ah, the reason everyone thinks a team can win the Super Bowl without a good quarterback. However, let’s list his facts. First-round pick (6th overall) in ’94, Dilfer made the Pro Bowl (not a typo) in ’97 with Tampa Bay. After years of underachieving as a team, the Bucs let him go. He led the defensive stout Ravens to the championship which made everyone think it could be done easily. Yet, if that is the case, how come the Ravens hadn’t made a conference championship game again until this season when they had rookie quarterback Joe Flacco under center? And when was he drafted? You guessed it, the first round. They’re defense, many would say, has gotten better since that Super Bowl year, yet no other quarterback but Dilfer has even gotten them close…..hmmmm? Dilfer finished his career with 113 touchdowns and 20,518 passing yards.

2002 Tom Brady, New England Patriots: Sixth-round pick (100 overall) in ’00. Brady is another reason people now think it doesn’t take a top-round quarterback to win. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard “The Patriots got Brady in the sixth, we don’t need to use a top pick”…..um…..let’s get something straight. Brady is one of the greatest quarterbacks ever, and he still has half his career left. In seven seasons (I don’t count this year since he played less than one half) he’s a four-time Pro Bowler, a two-time Super Bowl MVP and the ’07 NFL MVP. He has 197 touchdowns, 26,446 passing yards and a passer rating of 92.9. He is a Hall of Famer if he retired today. Now everyone thinks they can wait to find these players late in the draft. It happens once in a lifetime. I’ve named two quarterbacks taken after the third-round, Rypien and Brady. Rypien was a two-time Pro Bowler and Brady is one of the greats of all-time. Warner, Brady and Rypien are lightning in a bottle or winning the lottery, things that you shouldn’t count on, because they just don’t happen everyday. You show me a team whose thinking is to wait until the sixth-round every year to take a quarterback in hopes of finding Tom Brady and I’ll show you a team without a quarterback.

2003 Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Ninth-round (227th overall) in ’92. Johnson is a quarterback who many underrate. He’s much better than most think. He’s a two-time Pro Bowler (many forget that he’s put up some stellar numbers in his career) and currently has 164 touchdowns, 28,627 passing yards and a passer rating of 83.1.

2004 Tom Brady, New England Patriots.

2005 Tom Brady, New England Patriots.

2006 Ben Rothlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers: First-round pick (11th overall) in ’04. Rothlisberger is a two-time Super Bowl champ and has made a Pro Bowl so far in his young career. He already has 101 touchdowns and 14,974 passing yards. His career passer rating is currently at 89.4.

2007 Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts: First-round pick (1st overall) in ’98. Manning could be the greatest of all-time when it’s all said and done. He’s a nine-time Pro Bowler, three-time NFL MVP and was the ’07 SB MVP. He has 333 touchdowns, 45,628 passing yards and a 94.7 passer rating….simply great!

2008 Eli Manning, New York Giants: First-round pick (1st overall) in ’04. In his young career, Manning has made a Pro Bowl and was the ’08 Super Bowl MVP. In his short time, he has 98 touchdowns, 14, 623 passing yards and a 76.1 passer rating.

2009 Ben Rothlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers.

Jay Cutler's a bitch...

That's bullshit, he had plenty of opportunities to be coached, He had lot's of talent, but he was dumb as a rock, and had NO heart.

I think Cutler will never be a premiere QB like Brady or Rothlisberger, but he has the potential to be a strong journeyman like Kerry Collins or Trent Green, and I think he has the chance to lead a team to the Super Bowl. Maybe not this year, with this team, but somewhere down the road.

:1orglaugh

Didn't the Ravens set a record that year for fewest points allowed in a season? I agree with the notion that it's very important to have a good QB to make it to and win the Super Bowl and in the case of that year, they "only" had one of the best defenses of all time, so sure...if you can build one of those, maybe you can slight the QB position somewhat, but as pointed out, the Ravens haven't done shit since then so even if you can build the best defense of all time, it can be fleeting.

Anything is better than we had before.... when was the last time chicago had a decent qb and Mcahon didnt count for one either

Neither does Cutler... maybe next time...

Jay Cutler is better than what the Bears had previously. I also think Hester showed potential last year as a receiver and you can't deny his speed. There is easily potential there to throw deep passes with Cutler's arm and Hester's speed, which does nothing but benefit the running game. Both players have talent that needs to be developed more. If coached correctly, they can both be elite in my opinion. I agree that bringing in a veteran QB to mentor Cutler - because he's a fucking baby - might go a long way.

Jay and Forte on my fantasy team this year as well.


Jay is a great Quarterback and is looking for his fit to excel and hopefully the Bears are it, we will see.


GO LIONS!

simple answer. How's Orton doing in Denver? Becuase if they didn't trade for Culter he'd be the Bears starting QB. And last time I checked Orton has been sucking total ass.

Denver has a better chance with Grossmen

ya know, the bears' schedule doesn't look TOO bad, can the bears go 10-6 with cutler?

but has he even seen a down in post season?

i don't believe so eh

I think Cutler is a huge improvement over Orton but I guess we will see how the season goes. I will be at the game this Sunday in Denver. Go Bears!

Yes, it's obvious that Cutler has more talent over Orton, that's a given.

But, he's about as mature as a spoiled child with the last name Hilton.

They really need to mature him and he can be a great, if they do not, he's going to be a fail.

He's going to be frustrated come week 6-7 when they have no one to get down field to catch the ball, and he has to wait for someone to get there to take advantage of his arm.

The guy definitely has the arm.. and with the running threat, they have a lot more options

I'm a Chargers fan so I got no love for Denver. I think Cutler is a great qb but he is a whiney bitch and I can't stand to look at him. I can't stand looking at Mike Tomlin either... lol

i picked up earl bennett LATE in my fantasy draft this year... hopefully cutler and him rebuild their vanderbilt connection!

whoopsie.

Yea, love all 4 of those Picks last night....

He has a great arm and no awareness...he is 1 dimensional

Which is why they need a veteran to mentor him, or he's fucked.

i don't think marino, montana and unitas on the sideline mentoring cutler would have helped his game last nite. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh



he was off.

um no his WRs didn't know how to run their routes correctly. Maybe ONE of his INTs was on him.

there's more to evaluating a qb's performance than interceptions,


http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/co...jon&id=4471688




as i said in my earlier post in this thread, cutler cannot win games, let alone the superbowl.

The run helps establish the pass. How'd Forte help out Cutler last night?
And please refrain form posting links to anyone from espn as a means of providing "expert" opinons as most of those "experts" are mentally retarded.


Getting to the SB is about luck as it is skill. Things can happen along the way. Marino went to just ONE SB and lost that. Just on talent he should have gone to 10. It doesn't work that way. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have more SB rings than Marino and as many as Favre.

well, i agree with the commentary in that link i posted about cutler.

it could all be entirely wrong, who knows. but we will know over the next few months eh! impossible and wrong to try and conclude anything about the guy so early, but historically, he has shown an inability to win, especially the big games.
either way, it's fun to shoot the shit about it.


certainly luck is huge, part of what makes the sport(s) so exciting. marino is an anomaly and that is very very unfortunate for him, the game and the fans. but stats show that to win the sb, you have to have a top-notch qb, pro-bowl, hall of fame, etc...