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count of monte cristo 07-30-2009 09:12 AM

google will become evil
 
For much of its history, Google has responded to most criticism with two words: Trust us. The company has repeatedly persuaded skeptics that its immensity is a mere byproduct of its altruistic mission and that the algorithms it uses to organize the Internet, while proprietary, are objective and benevolent. But in an economy destroyed by bad faith, secretive formulas, and complicated mathematics, trust is in short supply, and Google's assurances are losing their persuasive power.

This disconnect became particularly apparent in September when Schmidt met with Thomas Barnett, the DOJ's antitrust chief at the time, to defend the deal. Barnett was shocked when Schmidt made Google's character?its constitutional aversion to all things evil and its commitment to operating on a higher moral plane?a central part of his argument. The line of thinking resonated throughout the DOJ. Weeks later, in one of Barnett's final meetings with Google and Yahoo lawyers, he made it clear he had little patience for Google's "trust us" refrain. He ended one question by warning: "Please don't tell me the answer is, 'Because the parties wouldn't do anything wrong.'"

In and of itself, Google's size is not a legal problem. Varney herself has pointed out that, while Google may enjoy a monopoly in the search-ad business, the company acquired it legally by building better search products that competitors were simply unable to match. Lawyers and economists say that things get complicated, though, when Google moves beyond search and into Web services like online spreadsheets and video sites. Because its search and advertising algorithms are secret, there is no way for competitors or partners to know whether Google tweaks results to direct traffic to its own properties over theirs. Enter a street address into Google's search engine, for instance, and Google Maps tops the results. Type in "Britney Spears" and Google News comes up before People magazine or TMZ .com. (Google-owned YouTube tops the video results, above MTV and MySpace.) If Google is using its search position to promote its other businesses, that could leave it open to charges of illegal bundling and leveraging?the same charges that Microsoft faced for packaging its browser onto the Windows desktop. And even if Google is behaving honorably now, it is creating a system full of temptations should the company ever come under financial pressure. "When things get tight," one advertising partner says, "whose bottom line will get sacrificed first? The answer is self-evident."

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/maga...?currentPage=1


Because public companies are after the dollar and while they can have a good front, it disappears after a while. take microsoft as an example

LiveDose 07-30-2009 09:15 AM

It is scary how powerful this company is and will continue to be.

who 07-30-2009 09:16 AM

Thanks Avinash.

seeandsee 07-30-2009 09:47 AM

google is good!

Scott McD 07-30-2009 09:50 AM

http://www.googleisyourfriend.net/google.jpg

3xTom 07-30-2009 09:58 AM

Google has always reminded me of

http://3xtom.com/private/dump/Cyberdyne_Logo3.jpg

Mark my words Google WILL take over the world.. :helpme

Barefootsies 07-30-2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose (Post 16123260)
It is scary how powerful this company is and will continue to be.

:2 cents:

3xTom 07-30-2009 10:07 AM

this was always pretty interesting to me

http://epic.makingithappen.co.uk/ols-master1.html

Deesnuts 07-30-2009 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose (Post 16123260)
It is scary how powerful this company is and will continue to be.

you cant kill it

u-Bob 07-30-2009 10:09 AM

They're evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cyber Fucker 07-30-2009 10:58 AM

Indeed, google = pure evil! :party-smi

Bird 07-30-2009 11:04 AM

google = big (bro)

bbobby86 07-30-2009 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by count of monte cristo (Post 16123242)
For much of its history, Google has responded to most criticism with two words: Trust us. The company has repeatedly persuaded skeptics that its immensity is a mere byproduct of its altruistic mission and that the algorithms it uses to organize the Internet, while proprietary, are objective and benevolent. But in an economy destroyed by bad faith, secretive formulas, and complicated mathematics, trust is in short supply, and Google's assurances are losing their persuasive power.

This disconnect became particularly apparent in September when Schmidt met with Thomas Barnett, the DOJ's antitrust chief at the time, to defend the deal. Barnett was shocked when Schmidt made Google's character?its constitutional aversion to all things evil and its commitment to operating on a higher moral plane?a central part of his argument. The line of thinking resonated throughout the DOJ. Weeks later, in one of Barnett's final meetings with Google and Yahoo lawyers, he made it clear he had little patience for Google's "trust us" refrain. He ended one question by warning: "Please don't tell me the answer is, 'Because the parties wouldn't do anything wrong.'"

In and of itself, Google's size is not a legal problem. Varney herself has pointed out that, while Google may enjoy a monopoly in the search-ad business, the company acquired it legally by building better search products that competitors were simply unable to match. Lawyers and economists say that things get complicated, though, when Google moves beyond search and into Web services like online spreadsheets and video sites. Because its search and advertising algorithms are secret, there is no way for competitors or partners to know whether Google tweaks results to direct traffic to its own properties over theirs. Enter a street address into Google's search engine, for instance, and Google Maps tops the results. Type in "Britney Spears" and Google News comes up before People magazine or TMZ .com. (Google-owned YouTube tops the video results, above MTV and MySpace.) If Google is using its search position to promote its other businesses, that could leave it open to charges of illegal bundling and leveraging?the same charges that Microsoft faced for packaging its browser onto the Windows desktop. And even if Google is behaving honorably now, it is creating a system full of temptations should the company ever come under financial pressure. "When things get tight," one advertising partner says, "whose bottom line will get sacrificed first? The answer is self-evident."

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/maga...?currentPage=1


Because public companies are after the dollar and while they can have a good front, it disappears after a while. take microsoft as an example

google become evil

d-null 07-30-2009 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 16123462)
Google has always reminded me of

http://3xtom.com/private/dump/Cyberdyne_Logo3.jpg

Mark my words Google WILL take over the world.. :helpme

http://i26.tinypic.com/n594m.jpg

cykoe6 07-30-2009 11:31 AM

Will become????

mynameisjim 07-30-2009 12:15 PM

I think people overestimate Google. They have one profitable product and pretty much zero installed base to provide them any insulation against users just switching to something else. They are just as vulnerable to the next big thing as a site like Facebook.

Can Google leverage their position into something that is pretty much unstoppable? Yes. But they haven't done so yet. But they've hurt themselves by telegraphing their plan to take over the internet before they actually do it, attracting the eye of lawmakers and anti trust people.

Slutboat 07-30-2009 01:50 PM

There needs to be a movement to push for more transparency for sure. The cloak of secrecy surrounding the company is at its core a very threatening prospect for anyone who cares about civil liberties.

Slutboat 07-30-2009 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 16124089)
I think people overestimate Google. They have one profitable product and pretty much zero installed base to provide them any insulation against users just switching to something else. They are just as vulnerable to the next big thing as a site like Facebook.

Can Google leverage their position into something that is pretty much unstoppable? Yes. But they haven't done so yet. But they've hurt themselves by telegraphing their plan to take over the internet before they actually do it, attracting the eye of lawmakers and anti trust people.

I could not disagree more - if anything the power this company is amassing is far under-estimated. The potential for misuse of their vast database of personal private info of users is stunning. Should they ever be allowed to merge this data with ISP databases or the lists of other media conglomerates the potential invasiveness is staggering.

Use: http://www.scroogle.org

TheSenator 07-30-2009 02:07 PM

My computer science teacher told me to get into "data mining". The trick is extracting information that is valuable.

Jarmusch 07-30-2009 02:08 PM

Google 20 years from now:

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/image...inator3-07.jpg

Manowar 07-30-2009 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 16123462)
Google has always reminded me of

http://3xtom.com/private/dump/Cyberdyne_Logo3.jpg

Mark my words Google WILL take over the world.. :helpme

i'lll be back

DefaultMan 07-30-2009 02:40 PM

Google is

http://mypornolife.com/gfy/cobra_logo.jpg

jcsike 07-30-2009 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badlands07 (Post 12090832)
If you want to see something interesting - check this out:

Go to Google and type in 'saas' in the search box and then hit enter.

The first ad on the top right will be a Google ad. Then hit the 'Search' button again at the top of the page (still with the same keyword in it) and you will notice that the other paid ads will move about, but the Google ad never moves - no matter how many times you hit refresh or click on any of the ads.

I tried this on 'saas', 'cloud computing' and lots of other app keywords which all show ads for this link - www.Google.com/Apps/Business and never move from the top position on the right no matter what you do.

Seems a bit sneaky on Google's part as we put the public trust in their search monopoly.

Remember, they are Google and they 'Do No Evil'....:-)


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Iron Fist 07-30-2009 09:36 PM

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."


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