Liquid By Design Statement
 

Liquid By Design Statement


In July 2002 I formed Liquid By Design a company that was to serve both mainstream and adult designs. My mission was to provide both quality and affordable design work with a customer service base.

Before I continue further, I feel I need to make my intentions noted: the delay in this statement is due to the fact that I have been ill and in the hospital since Wednesday of last week and I also had to consult legal on a few issues before I made a public statement regarding issues I wanted to discuss here.

I also need to make the statement that after I post this I will not be replying to the statements made here in?If you would like to inquire further on a subject that is directly related to business you have with Liquid by Design you may contact me via e mail.

In July 2002 David (AKA BAT) contacted me about doing contracted design work for Liquid By Design, with that he brought with him his ?Portfolio? and gave it to Liquid By Design to use freely in our website. His portfolio was published and we began advertisings for business. Within 24 hours I received a copy write infringement notice related to David?s design work from Gammae Entertainment. At that time I was informed by Gammae that David had a two year no compete with Gammae and was not allowed to work for other companies as a designer. I complied with Gammae?s request and removed all items they had concerns with. David then created ?Mock? type designs for the portfolio that included Lesbians Kisses, last month I was informed that in fact Zoran accused Liquid By Design of copying that site from None other than Mike Wylde. The posts were made onhttp://www.freeadultgraphics.com/msgboard/message.cgi and the site accused of being copied is:http://www.brownhairgirls.com the site developed by Bat is in our portfolio at:http://www.liquidbydesign.com/paysit...ses/index.html

To my knowledge the design was an original work created by David and let the matter go? I apologize to Mr. Wylde if in fact the design is a copy and upon request will remove it from our portfolio.

David and I discussed the issues with Gammae and he continued to be interested in working. With that he created a new identity and began designing contracted project work for Liquid By Design. When the Ice Cold Cash contest came I asked David if he would design me an Ice Cold Cash site, he agreed and he was t be paid the 400.00 for design and a 1000.00 bonuses if we in fact won the contest. It took along time and a ton of ICQ messages and e mails to receive payment. We also received more design work from this company to include 2 pay sites, banners, joins pages and more. All work was completed and approved by the staff rep for the company, all sites were delivered, and I continue to wait for payment for some of the work for these projects.

I then offered David a full time position working with Liquid By Design that gave him a yearly salary of 50K American per year. Once he became employed full time he was instructed that all design work, psd?s etc. Became property of Liquid By design and he was not aloud to use any work in his personal portfolio. On three separate occasions I had to ask David to remove those from his personal website. For two reasons: one because he agreed to this and two because of the contracts with Gammae Entertainment. I continue to stand by this and he is not allowed nor will he be allowed to display the work in his portfolio.

Questions regarding the designs he created are quite simple. My company is a Wisconsin based company, David was hired as a full time employee with this company, there are no designs he has not been paid for, there are only hours he has not been paid for. Therefore he has no right to any designs, nor does he have the right to display these in his portfolio.

I feel awful about what has happened to David, I feel awful that he signed an agreement with Gammae that put him in a position that he could not freely work as a designer, as talented as he is, I feel horrible inside that my personal life made it impossible for me to make payroll in October to him for the hours he worked for me. I feel awful that my pride got in the way of being 100% honest with him about events that were unfolding in my life and with the business that I had no control of. I feel awful that I entrusted a long time online friend to borrow me the payroll telling me he sent it and then basically disappearing from the earth with the money and telling both David and I the money was sent to him.

I was not going to get into the personal issues that led to most of this but have decided a brief explanation is needed. In September my marriage of 10 years was being dissolved and all assets from my company were frozen as community property assets. So all monies in my business accounts were frozen and will not be released until March 2003. I tried everything to get the money together for David, because he was my friend and because he had worked the hours, I tried borrowing the money from the bank, but because of the divorce, they decided it was too risky to loan the money after they had initially told me they were going to. I had borrowed the money from a long time internet friend who said he would do it and told David he had sent the money and then never did, and now this so called friend won?t even talk to me or answer my calls. During all these events, the stress resulted in medial problems including a bleeding ulcer, chronic migraines and some other medical issues. My statement comes after spending 5 days in the local hospital trying to get the bleeding and vomiting under control. My divorce has made me very emotional and has basically financially ruined me.

I never meant to not pay David. He is my friend. I made some bad choices in decisions I made with events that occurred after my personal life events unraveled. To be honest with you all, the divorce has put me in financial despair. I am loosing more then just a business by these events. I have 4 children who are now forced to leave there home and schools, I am loosing my home, my cars my life?. Those of you who know me and know who I am know that this is true, that my life has been ruined because my husband couldn?t keep his dick in his pants and that he destroyed the lives of me and the kids but in the process destroyed my business also. That since this post I have used all financial resources I have and am in desperate need. It sucks that Darren and my husband destroyed my life in the matter of two months.

As for the gentleman that started this post, your only complaint with this company is the length of time it has taken to get your work done. My personal financial life is none of your fucking business. Your slanderous remarks about me and accusations about me and who I am are unjustified. You didn?t even have the balls to ask me?. So fuck you?. And still you have my company complete your designs. We never ripped your fucking ass off? You paid half down for three designs; two are complete one if almost complete. Yeah it took way to fucking long I agree, at one point they were all done and you didn?t like men?s network so we are recreating it for you, and you are pleased with the design so far. Technically and legally, you own one of those designs, though you are in possession of two of the designs, so technically until full payment is made on design two you owe me fucking money. I was willing to do Men?s Network for free, but you know what I think I would be a fool now to do that so this is the way it sits. You paid me down payment, not even 50% of the design costs?.. 1635.00 As a down payment for these designs. Which took over a week to get before the designs could even be started. The original price per design was 1499.00 for the first design and 1125.00 for the next two (based on the invoice sent to you dated 10/8/2002). That would have required a down payment of 1875.00, so technically if you want to look at the big picture my friend, who is ripping who off here? You owe me? another: You still owe me 240.00 towards the down payment, plus 750.00 for the completion of design number two and another 1125.00 for the completion of design number three?.

So David should be hoping right now that YOU pay your debts to us so he can get his payroll for October since you are holding pretty much all of it. In fact you can send the 990.00 at anytime Darren or are you going to rip us off? Screw David out of his money? And if you do not want men?s network that is fine by me?. I will just make sure I let the 50,000 adult webmasters and surfers no how you don?t pay your bills?. How YOU rip off designers?. And lastly, if you ever threaten me or call me slanderous names again I will not only sue you, I will go to ever length to discredit you and your ability to be trusted, I will work until my last breath to create a world so miserable for you that you will not know what hit you. You are a coward for bringing issues you had no idea about to the public and calling names like a four year old child. An adult in the business world never act the way you have. It shows how childish and immature you really are. Not only do you not pay your bills you act like a 4 year old that cries and whines and calls names. I actually for a split second felt sorry for you?.

Oh yeah and my trip to Disneyland with my 4 children was purchased by my parents?. They actually thought that they were doing something good for us considering the hell we are going through personally right now. You see Darren my parents have compassion and love their grandchildren and wanted to bring some sort of joy to their grandchildren?s lives?. Considering everything they are accustomed to is being destroyed. So again fuck you for being a heartless fuck, fuck you for making something that was important to my children into something bad, and making me have to justify it to my friends and peers, fuck you for making it a bad thing for me. You are a fuck, you not only destroyed something that was important to me but to my children?s survival. Now they have nothing you prick?. Nothing. They have a mom who worked 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year on something I believed in ?. I was trying to make it all right with David and will?. But instead of leaving me alone and minding your own fucking business like I asked, you thought you would play god, well you know what? You?re a fuck?. End of story? Your post lost me friends, customers and any chance I had at making this all right with David. You only thought about yourself?. And to top it off you are the one ripping me off?.

Today, I had to tell my kids we were moving because of all this, that there is no Christmas, and I have no idea where we were going to live?. So you see in a week you managed to destroy the lives of a 17 year old, a 12 year old and my 6 year old twins you selfish bastard? So pay me my fucking money that you owe me?.

As for you David, I am sorry I wasn?t more upfront with you, about what was happening in my life. I was embarrassed and truly thought I could make it right quickly. I was wrong, and any way of making it right now is impossible? Darren seen to that my assets will become liquid again in March. If Darren ever decides to pay his debts I can give you half of that money because the other half I will need to try to survive until I can figure what is next.

As for Cheryl, I have talked to her on the phone, she has done mainstream work for me so I am not sure why she thought me and Buck are the same person?. I am confused on that?. In fact she was paid the same day as work completed?. And this was when I was in mainstream design only? So my only thought was to add fuel to the fire, which is sad because I thought she and I had a great working relationship when I was in mainstream and she was doing work for me. Peter her partner, I am not sure about all? Don?t know him and don?t want to now, he is another judgmental fuck that just spouts to hear himself bitch about something. To bad the few times on ICQ I chatted with him he seemed nice.

Neymanya was paid but fucked him self into a security hold with WU- I have tried to fix it for over two months and am getting no where with it. The shit ass part of this is he did some galleries for me that Peter rejected because they were so shitty and I had to pay another designer to complete them for me, so that was a loosing deal.
Ummm, who else?. Brad Brad Brad?. You are two faced?. And I hate two faced people. First you got those sites at a steal, Second, I had no idea about any problem with some of those designs and third if I remember right I worked my ass off trying to get those domains switched over for you. If you remember right your company kept denying the transfers of them? The content issue we talked about over and over again and we agreed to sell you all the content for 1000.00 that was a shitload of content. You got a steal, and maybe you didn?t want all of it, but I m sure it will look good in your content area.

Your words hurt me?Considering me truly believing you and I were friends. I guess I don?t blame you for being angry about things, but I thought more of you then posting shit on a message board, I would have thought you of all people would have done the right thing and had me look into it. And BTW- Your fucking content was sent via Fed Ex today?. Sorry I didn?t send it out Wednesday but I was busy lying in a hospital bed wondering if I would live or die... I guess it is true what they say about people on the adult community, none of them can be trusted and they will all fuck you. It is too bad because I really liked you as a person and considered you a friend.

As for Kimmy Kim- I am still waiting on her sales txt she wants to use for her 6 galleries she ordered. I have sent 5 e mails and numerous ICQ?s and have not heard from her. So with out all the information and content to complete the galleries they can?t be created.

In ending? I want to tell David I am sorry for not being more honest with him about what was happening in my personal life and what was really happening, I am sorry for not trusting him more with my personal issues so he could fully understand. I want to thank Buck for coming to my rescue and finishing projects for me as my health has become such an issue that it is impossible to perform day to day business right now. Also, for trying to make it better for my kids and relieving some of my stress?. To my true friends for understanding and knowing I would never intentionally hurt someone or screw them: CD Smith, RMS, Angel, Buff, Lisa Marie, Wes, Buck, and Mr. Vegas, Itchy, Lynda and all the customers that understood and stuck with me through this and believed in me and did not pass judgment.

And I want to let people know that Buck is taking the design business over as of today. Past debts are mine and as soon as I get my personal issues inline I may work as a sales rep for the business but he is a great designer and will do a great job with the design company I am sure. I know he has a few issues from a long time ago that need to be resolved but he is resolving those now and will be a great asset to the industry again. I am not sure if he will keep the name of the company or formulate a new one, but he is going to be completing all the work left to complete for me. And I owe him a lot? he took a lot of risks and things for me and I appreciate every one of those risks Buck you took?. I appreciate the fact that you put your job on the line everyday to help me out?. I owe you my life?. Thank you

Traci Daily

ok, who's going to paraphrase this for me?

too much reading involved. screw it.

Traci,

I know we are both sorry that our transaction didn't go as we expected. Soon, I'll be in possession of the final portion and it will be completed.

I am hopeful that the personal tragedy you have experienced turns around. Business is just business and I would never wish for anything bad to come your way. It is my hope that somehow you find some measure of peace and resolution before the holidays and that your children have a Christmas. Good luck Traci.

Sincerely,

Brad

I can't wait for Labret to come in here, and quote it, so the thread is a mile long.

I'd personally prefer some pics from Labret's collection.

damn,, someone please give me the readers digest version

fyi: Altho this is my icq name, im not David or affiliated with him.

Dayum, anything that long( I didnt finish it) must suck:(

so, let the battle begin.

lots of static these days

screen names have been changed to protect da innocent

Boring.

Lets make this thread really intresting. Women are too emotional to run companies, unless they are lesbians :Graucho

BAT (One of the designers who worked for Traci) had signed a contract, saying he couldnt do designs for another company for approx 2 years.

He created a new identity, so he could work with Traci... Traci just got out of the hospital, she was in since lsat week for various stress related and other issues.

Traci has 4 kids, and an ex husband as of September, their business together has had its assets frozen...

She hasn't been paid in full by Darren, who apparently doesnt like to pay designers, but loves to bitch and spam the board asking for new designers and/or other things.

She's very sorry to David (BAT) and Buckwild is now taking over the business, her past debts are still hers.

I think thats what I got out of it?

you jokers didn't hesitate to read five pages of shit tearing her life apart...but yet you can't take 5 minutes and read her side of the story? hear how all the things said about her weren't all true? but you're probably right...you have more important things to do...but thanks for taking the time to tell us you are to lazy to read...

got's to be dykes

you did that very well..... Thank you....

Touche'

I read it all... She uses the word Fuck more than I do. I didn't think that was possible.:1orglaugh Learn stuff all the time never ending..

Perhaps if you got a life you wouldn't be sitting here reading this board all the time.

Hey im really sorry to here shit is falling apart... But hey that is life you have to get back in a good mind frame and move on..There is always money to be made so get your head on straight and get to work.... As for christmas ,,haha its about being with people you love not money and gifts..

I cant believe i read your whole post but i did and alot of the things you say suck but buisness is not always easy. Secondly a non compete is about as worthless as the paper its written on. If he was bought out and payed for his buisness then he would have trouble working till it was up.. but if it was a employement non compete they are worthless. By law no one can keep you from putting food on your table unless they payed you money for the non compete....

But you lost me completely when you said this..
quote from above..

If Darren ever decides to pay his debts I can give you half of that money because the other half I will need to try to survive until I can figure what is next.
end quote.

Im sorry after reading that part you should not be in buisness... If you owe money to a employee you fucking pay them.. Just becuase your broke is not his problem. Im sorry i fucking hate when people are selfish like this. You hired him you pay him..

so i wish you luck and i hope you get your shit together but i think you also need to relook at your responsability as a employer.

You said you got a down payment for designs, that are not finished yet. Then you try to prorate it so that it looks like the client owes you a prorated amount, while you take your time getting the rest of it done. I wouldn't say he owes you SHIT, as the job isn't finished yet.

Furthermore, its not up to a client to pay YOUR designers. You owe him money and you earned $7500 off just one of his designs. If you owe BAT money, thats YOUR responsibility.. not your clients.

I dont see how one can point the finger at another for them 'losing' a home, and your children not having xmas.

Thats weak.

Only if you have a valid legal contract with him stating that he cannot display the designs in his own portfolio, as agreed by him. It can be a dangerous thing to assume you own everything and the creator owns nothing, without it being contractual.. and even then it can be disputed.

I can only say I agree with that. As much as this all sucks big time for you, I did get the feeling that you weren't quite being reasonable and responsible in your response.

Just my :2 cents: , not taking sides

?

Me don't care. I also think this person is a flake. (not you Fletch XXX)

And ulcers are caused by bacteria, not stress (it's true).

She's trying to play on your emotions by involving her kids. Very weak. Did it work?

Personal life does not mean shit in business. I wish more people would understand this.

Business is ruthless. Emotions fuck it all up.

Traci, my thoughts are with your kids...

cliff notes please :helpme

The colkurtz guy who always tries to stir shit up, if he's bored he should get a life.

Obviously not.

I think its all bullshit.

Scam Artists turn the cards until the Joker shows.

*ping*

Oh well you had me thinking. Dangerous very, I get it trouble every time.:1orglaugh

<img src=http://people.redhat.com/jason/pics/joker.jpg border="1">

Traci, hope you'll get better....

However, just one thing, 400.00 for design and a 1000.00 for winning on a $7000 prize is pretty cheap!!? Whats the deal with that...?

And p.s. as for your frozen assets because of the divorce... was your husban on wellfare...? if he's income is similar to yours, it shouldnt happen...!?

take care


and where's Darren!!? :1orglaugh

Who's on first?

That is a VERY frightening photo.

Brad

this is so fucken dodgy.

Hi All,

First off,

We have done many Design projects for Darren, and he has always paid like gold when the job is finished.

Traci, sorry about your problems. I won't piss or talk shit about anyone going through what you are dealing with. Best of luck with whatever you do :) I want to send your kids some xmas presents, please email me...
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Kimmy, that COL dude is a total shit head and looser and I said in a previous post earlier when he made mention of jewish ppl.

peace

I also have done work for Darren and he paid me upfront.
I have no problems with the man.
He's beeen nothing but professional to me.

Also..I never heard of someones assets being froze because of a divorce.
If thats the case..how can either one eat, live, pay bills?

Must be alot deeper than that for a business account to be frozen. That's, if it is true.
Maybe when I talk to the laywer next time..I'll ask him if that can be done.

Yeah right.

Lmao Labret...took the works outta my mouth.

Oh..I got some MORE fixes for ya..when ya need them.
ICQ me and I'll send.

are your you didn't mean "LOAN me the payroll"

Cliffnotes please

just read it all...

that just about sums it up for me as well.

I about fell asleep reading it.

I wonder how many webmasters are undiagnosed sufferers of ADD? :)

Hope your kids are okay and that it works out - things tend to work out for the best in the long run.

Note: I sense a lot of ass-covering and bullshit, but without being in the middle of this, I doubt anyone will ever know the absolute truth.

Peace.

If I dont pay people who design for me then all these should be after some serious money!

No wonder the likes of LikeWhoa Design, WebInc, The Nobes, HungryMan, NaughtyDesign, Nemanya, DickMansDesign, XXXPaysitedesign, subnova, sergio, dinkz and the rest of the designing world are after me.

We all deal with shit so I find it amazing that because it is in the adult industry and she is having family problems it makes it allright not to pay anyone? WTF in the real world u would be in serious trouble by now. Anyhow enough said.

Read "Darrens offical statement" below, lol.