Into the surfer's mind : Why would I pay $$ for porn...
 

Turn your webmaster's mind to off for a minute and tell us why, as a surfer, would you get your credit card out. It can be a product, a website, a niche, a product specification, anything. Be honest.

So let's start ...

With all the tubes around, the only thing I can't find for free is the high definition porn to watch on my TV. :warning

1. Diehard fan of a certain model or niche, will pay anything to get the absolute latest content
2. Pay for convenience and instant gratification (as opposed to scouring the web in search of certain content)
3. High Definition (as you mentioned)

um cause some people want a membership

Really interresting!

There really is no reason. Hell there wasn't 10 years ago, it has always boggled my mind that I make a living at this.

For live interaction. Cams


Mr. Romance

Yep even with all the tubes out there most of them have the smae old shitty content. And I'd spend far too mch time looking FOR porn than actually watching porn.

Also tubes have shitty quality. You know if people still used 17 in CRTs a 400 kbps clip from a tubesite wouldn't look so bad. On a 22 inch screen it looks worse than a old VHS tape that's been played 500 times. And on a HDTV forget it. Whacking at the computer isn't much fun. I think a lot of guys like the old days of whacking in bed or a Lazy Boy while watching a porno. Well you're not doing that if you're watching tube clips.

Because toons are hard to find and ours are exclusive with as many as 3 updates per week. Can't find our toons on tubes!

- frequent updates of your favorite content
- interaction with model/producer/owner
- no need to surf sites plastered with annoying ads

Europeans Billing Europe!
 

Good response.

Because they see value in what they desire vs. the cost of the product.

Because the pitch is exactly what they are looking for. If it's attraction, desire, lust, or a need.

Because Paysites deliver the niche they desire to an extreme, for sure when they update that niche.

Most member areas don't have dating ads, and ads in general blasted all over.

Many Paysites create great personal connections with members. A connection that free sites can't make because it's free.

A Paysite offers a mixture of content types on the sold niche, pictures, videos, stories, desktops, leased feeds, models, etc.

Paysites offer a mixture of video sizes and types of meet consumer needs.

Many paysites have superior quality to what is available on the free market.

Some paysites update more than any free site, some paysites are larger than any free site.

The desire of live interaction, live entertainment, on demand services, private chat, and many other unique things that allow the member to interact with the actual website.

And the list can go on and on...

Flash movie quality sucks and you cant save it properly. Advertisements all over the fucking place suck and only eat up my system resources. Not every pornstar I've ever heard of and seen online is actually a single girl living in my hometown wanting to date, I'm tired of the blatant bullshit from these places.

etc etc etc.

/surfer off

:thumbsup:thumbsup

exactly what I was thinking

quality, quality, quality

I bet pornstars and nude models are all real single girls in <yourtown> too! Why not become a member and fuck a real girl? yawn. I mean seriously, the corny dating ads just annoy the piss out of me as I look at adult sites sometimes.

Well said

I can tell you for sure that a lot of regular porn purchasers actually like the process of sifting through tube sites and tgp's. It's part of their ritual. I used to track user behavior very carefully and many times people would find what they are going to get off to, bookmark it, look around for a while and come back to it to finish the deal.

IMO the quality, amount of content "within a single shoot", and frequent updates is the only things that gets em. here's why: Usually people have a trigger mechanism that is a coupling of genetics and learned behavior (basically the niche or fetish they are into) but also studies have been done that show that fantasies are usually tied to a story (for example the surfer imagines circumstances where he is actually able to fuck this girl or that the girl in the porn is someone he knows) but it somehow ties in to reality. Therefore depending on his trigger, he can be stimulated by a specific girl, a look, a fetish, an act, etc. With that said, if there was a site with the volume and variability of a tube site, but the quality (and consistency) of a good paysite, here are a few examples of sites/networks that have it right:
DirtyD
Meatholes
Cumonherface.com

So in my opinion the way to win this game is to have large quantities of quality content organized into categories and specific shoots (so once the person finds their trigger, they have enough to look through), and regular updates (every 2-3 days) so they know they'll get more.

You cannot really stick strictly to a specific fetish and think you have it covered because people have different triggers and while you may have the niche down pat, you cannot always have the story. So within a niche you need as much variability as possible in girls, surroundings, and circumstances of your content.

A much larger investment is needed these days mostly because of the content separation if you think about it. Back in the day, the TGP's and the paysites only differed in the amount of content per shoot that was offered. In a tgp you would get 9 pics, and on the site you'd get 100. That's it.

My :2 cents:

I agree. It's now way harder to sell the "real" shit since there is so much free porn out there! :helpme

Couldn't agree more. I'd rather DL a 1-2 min HD (1280x720) trailer that I find hot than DLing a full movie that I also find hot but the pixelation makes it not worth having around. Which for me is like 75% of what's on todays paysites. But that's just me.

Plus I have a plenty powerful processor and I still get buffering no matter what when streaming. Even directly from one of my own new servers with no traffic yet!

Does anyone actually stream video ANYWHERE on the net without constant buffering?

Maybe it's just me, but obviously the majority of Tube surfers either:

1) Stream with no buffering
2) Stream with only a little buffering and live with it.
3) Get shitloads of buffering but they aint paying so they sit there with bottled up tube vids because they are the main game in town.

(Not jacking this thread as I feel this all goes with "Why would I pay for porn") :)

Actually off my own server that is freshly set up with little traffic, I can get pretty good streaming. So it must have to do with traffic and not with my processor.

But I'm totally tied up on 99% of tubes and I would think a lot of surfers are too but apparently not.

And I also must say I have 1500 Kbit/sec or 200 Kbyte/sec pipe so I have enough BW to stream I would think.

Like Mayors Money :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

When you talk about buffering, you talk about the % of loading, or the video is not "smooth" (skip some parts)? If it's a loading problem, then it's your connection speed.

If it's skippy, then it's your processor speed. But you probably have a really shit system if you're processor can't handle the crappy flash tubes :warning

If you want to test your processor for HD videos, go to apple.com/trailers and try to watch a 1080p trailer in full screen. :)

I don't really do movies.

I look for THAT ONE PIC that defines my niche. Personally - and a lot of my visitors will agree - I'd rather see one incredible pic of a woman getting tit-fucked - her back arched, hands pressing her breasts around a hard cock, her mouth open and her eyes filled with surprise as a single thick stream of cum is captured an instant before it hits her face - than have to wade through 15 minutes of video crap I don't want to see before the good shit happens.

I can provide my visitors with one clear hi-res pic of what they want within a few seconds of them arriving at one of my sites. Wading through a full length video kills it for me, and I can't sell it.

That one single image, though... That one-tenth of a second freeze frame that defines everything you desire...

Money in my bank. Keep making your tubes, plz.

It will load up fine and fairly quick, start playing maybe 3 secs and stop, Then I guess buffer as I simply am not DLing at a fast enough rate. Like I say I have around 200KByte/sec when I'm fresh.

And my proc can play HD just fine locally.

I always assumed the servers just cant't really stream or feed me fast enough to truely stream without interruptions. But I guess some of you can stream.

My proc is a "intel quad 2.4 Ghz x 4, 4 core, 4 logical processors". (paraphrased)

About as big as is around so I aint running on no PS3 .:winkwink:

www.newbienudes.com people pay for the 1000's of home filmed videos. Also you get higher quality pics but 90% reason for going premium is the movies which you get none with the free membership.

Almost 2 million free members. Over 3000 new photos and 100 videos submitted per day.

Real amateur content archive of 2,2 million photos and 50,000 videos.

Fuck they don't pay for webmaster ref LOL

Fuck no kidding.... if you send anyone there NEVER promote via revshare, they got so much shit in their members area, they will convert your surfer to another paysite before they get to see the content.. it's a total mess designed to fuck over the affiliates on the upsell inside the members area, and maximize revenue from the surfer.

I miss Mayor running the show.... loved their solo girls before the sell out. :2 cents:

I've reviewed tons of pay sites and a lot of them have me shaking my head when it comes to price vs quality factor.

Will pay to see some nice girl fucking her self because that make someone horny.Some people are so lonely thats why they pay to talk with some girl on webcam cause that make them happy.And money is nothing when you make something that make you happy.

I'm thinking of the average American porn consumer....
Well, if I'm a nice middle class guy X who works at the Department of Labor in a secure $80,000 a year job....I'm not rich but I'm not poor....I wouldn't really waste my time scouring through a bunch of pixelated crap on the internet to find something free.
$20-$30/month is pretty small potatoes and I wouldn't really care. My daily morning cup of Starbucks (at $3-$5 a pop depending on what tickles my fancy that morning) would cost me more than my high quality porn fix. If I knew what I did now, I would be spending EVEN LESS to get the high quality goods by signing up through a reputable review site with discounts such as Best Porn or Rabbits.

This is only one type of surfer, of course, but I personally know many of these type of people in America. They still buy/rent dvds from netflix or whatever because they make good money and don't really care about the $10/$20.

Quality and Live interaction

Hi Res content... True HD 720 or 1080 -- I'd buy into.
No advertising in the members area.
Very simple/ clean members areas.
Updated super frequently--- once a day- if not 2-3 updates a day.
I make 50k a year... $30/month is nothing to my porn fix.

/surfer

Tube sites don't do 1 on 1 live webcam shows, answer their emails all day long and post blogs. Tube sites don't wish you a happy birthday or send you wet panties or say all of the sweet things your wife stopped saying years ago.. :) Personalized interaction and all of the warm fuzzy feelings of having a solo girl love and adore you :)

However there are lots of surfers out there that have the $ and are willing to spend it on quality stuff, but are afraid they are going to get their CC's banged or tons of spam so they don't. I almost bought membership to a site the other day but did not for that very reason, so I don't blame them. :(

*puts on pretend male surfer costume*

"I have a fetish. A real fetish. There isn't that much out there that truly caters to my fetish. Whatever there is that is free I have already seen a zillion and one times because there isn't much out there. I see this website that *finally* really expresses what turns me on about my fetish. I know I can't get that anywhere else.

Uh oh...the tease pictures on this fetish site is sending the blood diverting from my brain. My cock is swelling...must not touch...can't stop wanting to touch...um, where is my wallet..wallet or cock, wallet or cock...need to get hands on wallet before I touch my cock. There..I can grab my wallet with one hand while the other starts to deal with this swelling cock. Pulling card out as fast as I can..putting down on desk...clicking join...okay, type fast..need to see. Accepted! Now, lets jerk off!"




Which, is why I focus mainly on 'real' fetishes because the guy *needs* it to get turned on.

Because people like poo?

everything is about people ... if you have grown in rich country, you will never download anything for free, no music, no porn, no programs, nothing, its just in your mind that if you can download, you will not ... at least people i met in western europe was thinking like this ... and if you grown in poor country where you had to steal something to have better life, its for sure that you will steal on the internet and no webmaster can change your mind ... :2 cents:

1) Because we spend time finding the most beautiful girls.
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/homepage/DAY_1795.jpg

2) We think of erotic stories

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/indexp...eetoru0004.jpg


3) We film them professionally

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/adverts1/camera16S.jpg

4) They won't find anything like the films we make at the quality we make.

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/adverts1/LustAd.jpghttp://www.cinemaerotique.com/adverts1/butterflyAD.jpghttp://www.cinemaerotique.com/advert...acePoster2.jpg

5) The get all the films in one place for a most reasonable price....

So from what I've read, the two most important aspect to keep in mind is ... :

- Promoting a specific fetish (what's the exact difference in fetish vs niche?)
- Have quality content that tube/free sites doesn't offer.

So, the best thing to do is promote a HD Fetish site ;)

Addiction, pure and simple...

:2 cents:

I bought a few paysite memberships in past years for my own pleasure.

Right now, I'd never do it anymore, since what the tubes offer is enough.

LOTS of surfers feel the same but thank God there are still some willing to pay, or we'd be all unexployed..

I agree, and don't be rediculous about the future either.... the idiots that run the tubes now, will certainly catch up, and very soon there will be hi-res/hi-def tube sites, and eventually they will also add live/interactive models/shows.

The fuckers who are in an all-out battle for traffic will stop at nothing to destroy this business for 95% of their competition.

Once again, a shortsighted race to the bottom... adapt and die!

it got to the point that explictly spelling out that you don't have a cross sell is a good thing :disgust

but this is correct live interaction (american idol) is the key.
the chance to fuck the girl

remember hd versions can easily be gotten fromt he torrent sites, so better quality canned content is not the solution.