One question about Jenna Jameson?
 

There are thousands of pornstars out there. But, my question... why did Jenna Make it Big?

Do Anyone here know her history and why she has become the most famous/talked about pornstar for the last decade or so, because it seems no one even comes near her star status quo.

When did she break out and become a star?

I'm curious about the marketing process, it certainly can't be
pure "fucking" luck that she made it this far.

Might have something to do with her being voted best business women of the year a few times? lol

Ehhh... she didn't start out as a business woman or did she? All I know is that she started real young getting in to pornography biz.

She was beautiful, young, fresh and, more important, she swallowed cum. At that point it was quite difficult to find someone who did that, there were few facials and most of them ended in the girl's cheek, while she had her mouth close and usually a face of disgust. And the few that did it were wasted, old, ugly, whatever, it was really something to find a girl that hot doing it. That made a huge difference.

Plus, boob surgery wasn't that common, as well as shaved pussy, so she kinda set the tone for the next pornstars to come (no pun intended): young, perfect and nasty

she had a commodity and sold it. business like to me!

You got it.... she was the mold for the 90's - 2000's "star."

howard stern helped...

harvey for the win. "gfy biography of jenna" impromptu by harvey

She was heavily marketed by Wicked under the guidance of Joy King. She had talent and hit the market during the peak of the VHS/DVD market when there wasn't nearly the over saturation of content we see today.

During that period Wicked was probably #1 in the following channels

Brick and Mortar
Mail order
Cable/Satellite
foreign
Closed end

Luck (timing)

she was so wild and thats what i think the attraction was.. guys dream about having a little freak in the bedroom.. even when she went g/g only, she was still a dynamo..

she still looks GREAT:thumbsup
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Dayum, thank you Jenna --- thanks for the Images I mean that!

She's so cute. :thumbsup

Thanks guys for the stories.

I'm too young to know from
experience. But not too "young" for XXXJennaXXX

:)

why don't you read her book she spells it all out there, if you really are interested.

Um boob surgery was all TOO common by the time Jenna came on the scene.

The thing was back in her day there wern't that many girls in "big time" porn. Not like today. Back then they maybe made 1/10 the amount of movies they do today if even that. Also back then she was super hot compared to the rest of the girls in porn back then. Well at least to most guys.

Maybe her ex husband Jay made a big difference...

she was real bitch :)

You can't be serious with that comment. I was going to say I saw something where he took credit for a lot of her success. The guy landed on a gold mine and ANYONE with common sense could make money with Jenna.

Jenna got her first boobjob in 1994. Now check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVN_Award and you'll see most actresses until 2000 didn't have boobjobs (at least at that time. Some never got'em, some got them some years later)

Take a look:
1994:
Shayla LaVeaux
Debi Diamond
Roxanne Blaze
Leena (not sure if she got a boobjob by that time)
Tianna
Porsche Lynn
Janine & Julia Ann (still with their original boobies)

all of them (with the possible exception of Leena) no fake boobage

1995:

Kylie Ireland
Asia Carrera
Ashlyn Gere (possibly by that time, not sure)
Tyffany Million (yes)
Kaitlyn Ashley (got them in 1997 or 98)
Celeste, Debi Diamond & Misty Rain (Celeste already had her big boobies)

1996:
Jenna (obviously)
Kaitlyn Ashley (got them in 1997 or 98)
Jeanna Fine (got them later, probably around 2000)
Ariana
Veronica Hart
Christy Canyon (naturals)
Felecia, Jenteal & Misty Rain (all natural by that time)

1997
Missy
Melissa Hill
Jeanna Fine
Shanan McCullough (naturals)
Juli Ashton
Janine
Melissa Hill & Jill Kelly (still natural)

1998
Johnni Black
Stephanie Swift
Dyanna Lauren (I think still natural, not sure)
Melissa Hill
Jeanna Fine
Silvia Saint
Missy & Jenna Jameson

as you can see, not very common until 99-00 or even later.

Anyway, I'm not saying it was because of that, it seems to me it was one of the reasons, not the boobjob "per se", but the need for a perfect body, or put in another way, the absolute porn super star.

I remember people saying between 1996/00 Dyanna Lauren and/or Chloe would eventually replace her, but it didn't happen, they both lacked something. After that, it would be Brianna Banks (close but no cigar). I think nobody will get to the point Jenna got, because of many factors. I don't think the same conditions will ever be repeated (I mean the media state of the art context)

And btw, another thing is she filled the void left by Savannah, another blonde with perfect body who committed suicide in 1994 and was (arguably) the #1 by that time. The market was calling exactly for what Jenna brought, add to that the Internet explosion and you have it all. Jenna was (still is) for Internet what Traci Lords and Ginger Lynn were for VHS

Harvey you're kinda forgetting the girls right before Jenna. There were a few of them that I call the last of the old school true pornstars. They were in the late 1980's when they hit the big time. Kayla Kleevage and Minka are just two of them that I know (they both live here in Vegas too) and they not only had fake boobs...but they have gigantic fake boobs. :) I can also tell you from first hand experience in another field of adult entertainment: Feature Dancers. I was married to 2 different feature dancers from 1989 to 2000. They both had enormous fake jugs and it was definitely not uncommon. To be an interational feature dancer and travel the world getting top dollar, the girls had to have gigantic fake boobs.

I don't think the fake tits were part of Jenna's rise to fame. I first met her in 2000 or 2001 (I can't remember which) at Internext at the Sands Expo. And she was signing that day and had hardly any makeup on and didn't look like anything special. Just a pretty girl with no makeup which made her look kinda bland. And there was nobody waiting in line to meet her at all, at least everytime that I walked the floor and saw her. I'm not even sure people recognized her (and even when I saw her at LA Webmaster Access, as you can tell from her pictures...I wouldn't have recognized her)

I think she just has that certain "It" factor that you can't quite put your finger on.

Just like damn near everybody in the world can sing better than Mick Jagger. Yet, he has something that makes people want to hear him. It's undefinable, unteachable, and you either have it or you don't.

And when you find a girl like Jenna, who obviously has "it", and you combine that with great marketing and smart business sense...then you get a star.

Robbie, I already said that (or at least tried to say it, lol). I mean she was the absolute perfect package. The boobs thing is the only thing she (maybe) needed and that's why I mentioned it, she had everything else already.

Anyway, you mention Kayla Kleavage and Minka (there were quite a bunch of them, like Lisa Lipps, Wendy Whoppers, Sarenna Lee and such), but as you can see, most of them at that time used boobs surgery to exagerate the look to a point many people would consider grotesque. And in my opinion, part of that was because porn wasn't as big as it was later, so the lousy boobjobs of that time weren't worth it unless you were looking only for that massive look without much aesthetic considerations. Even Jenna's first boobjobs were quite horrible.

But as you say, it's not the boobs (only). It's just IT. And she had it :)

Anyway, just my opinion on the subject for what I remember of the impression she caused on me :)

There you go, that's it exactly. She not only had "it" in her looks but it also came through in her personality, which is why she ended up appealing to an incredibly wide range of porn viewers.

I agree with Harvey though that her fake boobs were a contributing factor, because without them I don't see her getting nearly as far as she did.

I think the fact that she was the first one who played a part in her own marketing too... is big.

She was the first who could put a few sentences together about promoting herself.. and not just fuck Charlie Sheen and hope to be famous ;) like the other big names before her.

The fact that Wicked publicized that she was one of the first to ask for a real percentage... Made people sit up and listen...

People's ears perked....

She'd go on Howard Stern and wouldn't just be coked out of her mind, bubbly and stupid... she'd challenge him...

The women before her were just really dumb, coked out, mouthpieces...

Ya know the stereotype the Porn Church likes to say that all girls are nowadays? Everyone WAS that stereotype before Jenna.. and Jenna sorta owned and embraced her "fucked upness" and was candid.

Another question to ponder.. Imagine if Asia Carrera would've used her brain while in porn... she'd have ended up bigger than Jenna.

one of my favorite Jenna marketing moments is when Howard's in Vegas..
and Jenna swears she can make any woman a lesbian...
As a heterosexual 15 year old girl at home, masturbating to Howard... I think that episode corrupted me for LIFE.. lol but also made me fall in love with her.

She appealed to young girls and got young girls watching porn too... and buying her books... and hearing her story...

But yeah, damn.. My first naughty lesbo thoughts were about Jenna.. lol And I can tell you that all my girlfriends in high school... we used to sneak the movies... or go online to look at her pics... even today she's the one that most of us buy movies of for our boyfriends or hubbies. because WE enjoy her...

If only your parents had put effort into raising you to not listen to Stern @ 15


Good reasons for keeping that stuff off of the airwaves for children to hear.

So how has it hurt me?

If I were still in grad school right now.. instead of being a pornographer.. I'd be in a shitty apartment, barely getting by, with my parents helping me pay off student loans.

Instead.. I'm running an adult business and have retired them?

Fuck off. :321GFY

And sorry but I was top 5% of my state at the time ;) Honors student. Passed 4 AP exams. 32 on my ACTs with the language and math both 34's...

It's not like I was some wayward kid fucking up my life...

Never touched a drug... Have had alcohol maybe two times in the last 3 years of my life...

So who the fuck are you to judge? :321GFY

Corruption is not a word normally associated with a positive experience or event.


Dumb bitch.

Again, your psychotic nature shines through. You are a man-hating woman on a power trip. I pity any man who ever gets involved in your world of shit.

uh lots of people use the word corrupt when joking? I have client who call and say, "Oh God please corrupt me..."

Exploring one's sexual side is corruption? really?

wow where the fuck did this come from?

I don't hate men... only egotistical pricks like you who think that any woman who works in adult is living a second class life.

I very much enjoy spending my life exploiting fetishes and making money.

I would think a 15 year old girl should be doing things other than listening to Jenna Jameson on Howard Stern?

The same people you exploit the fetishes of, you called losers in other threads. What a shit existence it would be to have to be nice and try and be sexy to people whom you view as losers. I know I would feel like I was living a lie if I had to kiss ass and pretend to be turned on by someone I viewed as a loser.

Unless, of course, your man-hating simply fuels your passion for taking advantage of phone sex losers?

Uh...
at 11pm at night at bedtime... let me let you in on a little secret ;)
Most teenage girls are curious about sex and sneaking and watching that.. and Cinemax squiggly... trufax...

I'd say almost all of my nerdy girlfriends were... some of which are school teachers, third year law students, and ad execs now...

Would you have rather I was doing quadratic equations right up until falling asleep? or a 10 page essay on a classic novel just before going to bed?

Teen girls masturbate... just so ya know ;) Just the same as boys.

We all have to kiss ass in one way or another to become successful... and fake like we like people to get ahead...

I enjoy the psychological game of figuring out a fetish and getting a guy hooked ;) If he wasn't getting it from me... or one of my girls.. he'd be getting it from somewhere else.. so why not use my brain to get it done..

and I mean, come on... loser is kinda appropriate for some of the dudes still living in their basement and hyper focusing on fetishes that'll never come true... and it's also just me talking... venting.. thinking that on a porn board I wouldn't really offend anyone... well, except for say, you... or anyone who thinks that women shouldn't be thinking like that...

Most porn site owners in a water cooler setting will say "losers" or whatever.. unless you're some fetish obsessed "loser" yourself... and are offended by it.

i love jenna jameson

We do? Maybe in your world!


I don't know, people who I think are "losers" I'd rather not talk to or deal with directly.

I guess escorts are good at the same thing you are, putting aside their views on their clients long enough to get paid and get the fuck out of there.

I've got a client right now who is an ad exec.. and dealing directly with an asshat at Coca Cola right now.. and hey, guess what? He has to fake like he likes him while doing this project?

My father ran a department in a hospital... and hey.. guess what? he had to fake like he really enjoyed/respected the doctors.


We're all someone's whore.. unless you're someone who works at home and in adult because you clearly DO have people issues and authority issues.. and refuse to kiss ass... but good luck getting ahead very far with that ;)

Your goal is to cut me down and make me feel like a "whore" in a negative connotation.. when in reality, all professions in some way, shape, or form are "whores"...

But I offended you by calling the fetish obsessed guys I talked to losers.. so you're wanting to return whatever negative feelings you felt when you read that.. onto me.. by calling me names and making me feel like a subpar human being for my decisions.

Not going to happen, buttercup ;)
You're clearly the one with the issues about women in the sex industry here. Or even young girls masturbating... when that's clearly something that happens with ALL young girls... they seek out sexual content/knowledge.

she had the right look and attitude at the right time

what about Kobe Tai? :2 cents:

I don't believe anything written in an bestseller attempt on business advice. A book made to sell by truckloads. (I have heard she did a better job than Pam Anderson and that's all I know)

I trust outside sources more so than Jenna Jameson herself at least on her way to success, all her porn jobs and stripping jobs, and the fact someone had his hands on her. That I trust.

But that's not what I'm looking for. I'm not intrested in gossip, only marketing aspects.

So what exactly did she spell out, I could be wrong but my guess is that it's some glam mixed with painful moments and xxx. Only you know. ;)

I give Jenna Kudos no doubt, she seems level headed and rounded and she have done very well for herself along in her career in adult entertainment.

You turned your life to porn, most outside of porn feel that's a good enough reason that you failed in life. 15 is still way too young. I used to surf porn when I was 14, and I'm here now. But I will make damn sure to install netnanny or what ever is out there now. I don't want my children as fucked up as myself. :1orglaugh'

Sorry but you are full of biased images, you were the one jumping off like some shot up a rocket from your ass and it didn't land on the moon.

With your grades I could assume you know the definition of a Whore and then the difference between someone working for a boss and someone being a whore.

Some people enjoy working for a boss and don't think their life is hell on earth because of it. Gl with your future kids, I really don't like your attitude.

And no one have dnied crap about female youth sexuality, just that there could be better things to give a 15 year old than a porn magazine or an adult tape.

Do you agree? :)

The performance... THE PERFORMANCE!

I can tell you exactly what that "it" factor is.

The camera loves her. It's a natural phenomenon, like an eclipse: You can't make it happen, but you can recognize it when you see it.

I remember when I first saw her, as a gawky little stripper doing a three-way scene with Randy West in "Up and Cummers 10." There was Jenna, and Randy, and some other chick. She OWNED the scene -- apparently she gives a helluva blowjob so that got Randy's attention -- and it wasn't until I re-watched the scene when it was released on DVD several years later that I noticed that the "other chick" was Kylie Ireland.

KYLIE F*CKING IRELAND! And Jenna blew her off the screen. Pun not intended, but what the hell.

Some people can just captivate the camera and become stars. Jenna is one of those people.

--t

You dont come off as all that secure to be honest :2 cents:

Yeah a more secure person would've just replied with, ":321GFY" and STFU.. :)

Oh well :)

What a bunch of bullcrap :2 cents:

I just posted the list based on AVN awards, so that would be kinda the top porn stars for those years, although there were some fan favorites that aren't there (and should be without a doubt) like Kobe Tai, FUCKING RACQUEL DARRIAN (I'm amazed she wasn't mentioned when she was the #1 before Jenna's stardom without the shadow of a doubt) , Nikki Dial, Nikki Tyler, and so on. At that time, I thought Jenna was kind of a mix between Racquel Darrian and Samantha Strong. Or better put: a "Raquel Darrian-ish Samantha Strong"

What ever it was that she had, she lost it.