Do You Think Humans Will Become Extinct?
 

Just like the dinosaurs did millions of years ago. Maybe we'll be replaced by some other superior beings millions of years from now. Kind of freaky if you think about it. But it probably will happen.

I do think LUCL0NELY will be extinct from this business in a year from now.

He hasn't got a clue.

it's happening right now. the latest (and very tiny) step in human evolution is cybernetics. human/machine evolution.

All Animals that Rule the Earth are eventually taken over by creatures below them on the chain.

This has repeated itself in every timeline of Earth.

From the 'assics to the present.

Except for the mighty cockroach. It remains. Past... Present... Future. The alpha and omega.

Cockroaches do not, and have never Ruled the Earth.

I am speaking of Larger Species that dominated the Earth.

Like man, and early reptiles, then larger ones. The smaller always gets bigger than the previous.

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why dont you gofuckyourself.com ?

That would speed the extinction!

have you ever so much as put up a single page of html on a server? seriously?

That's what they want you to think.

Get a life...loser!

hehehe

i prefer trillobites. (sp)

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also, remember that (presently) we are already very far down 'the chain'. it is only technology (arguably brought about by our large brains) that has allowed us to rise above our rank

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They're working on it...

http://usembassy.state.gov/seoul/wwwg913pic4.gif

Humans were never on the top of the food chain. Are we going to take over somehow? (as per fletch)

large brains means not that we use them.

But yeah, I always recommend Tim Leary's Chaos and Cyber Culture. One of the only timelines I can find that actually place the invention of the old Ataris and Video Games as a Milestone in mans rise above the chain.

3 or so more and we gonna start rapping Brooks all in this Quiet.

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I think eventually humans will kill themself. With as nutty as people are getting, and the way that technology is advancing, every country out there will have nukes.

Only thing left will be the roaches and some small celled organisims, and everything will start over.

My dad has a trilobite fossil the size of his hand.

Forgot the link.

hehehe

http://www.roninpub.com/ChaCyb.html

Get this book and read it.

sure. but that's still doesn't take away from the fact that we (humans) are well below the chain, in terms of physical/environmental adaptation.

there is no history to look back to, in order to see an previous repetition, because humans were/are the first to take technology to such a level.

word :glugglug

Maybe Im not coming though clearly hehehe which would not be so irregular, hehehe.

I just meant the species that inhabits most of the Earth, not really anything really to do with the chain.

Hell Man is not even strong enough to fight virii, let alone some of the beasts of this world.

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But we do have the brains to produce vaccines.

So yes, our brains are the difference, of course.

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Quiet, have you read

'The Machine in the Garden' by Leo Marx?

'''''For over four decades, Leo Marx's work has focused on the relationship between technology and culture in 19th- and 20th-century America. His research helped to define the area of American studies concerned with the connections between scientific and technological advances, and the way society and culture both shape these changes. The Machine in the Garden examines the difference between the "pastoral" and "progressive" ideals which characterized early 19th-century American culture, and which ultimately evolved into the basis for much of the environmental and nuclear debates of contemporary society. ''''''

I just got my hands on the first printing Oxford Edition at a vintage used book store up the road.

Im only a few pages into it, and I just finished Tofflers 'The Third Wave'

For some reason lately I have been infatuated with man's growth since Electronic Inventions.

Its truly fascinating.

Rwecommendzations are welcome. I buy books every week, and frequent rare used book stores, anything you mention, I could pick up. Anything you recommend reading?

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"Wherever there will be man, there will be wars" -Einstein

Bombs will be the end of us. Boo hoo

sure, i've read it. you mentioned the 'the third wave' - basically the lack of any more paradigm shifts. stagnation of ideas (depending on how you read it).

recommendations: you should read - biology as ideology by r.c. lewontin.

Lewontin is not a crack pot - he is one of the top geneticists in the world. but what he writes in this book is practically blasphemy for the scientific community.

another great book: 'the long now' by [fuck i can't find the book]. very good book about the convergence of technology. in particular:

(1) what happens when the technology we've created - surpasses us?
(2) the difficulties involved with archiving information, in our world of positive feed back loop methods of changing data storage methods.

stone/paper/computer/applications/cult of obsolescence/etc

i'm also really into Sherry Turkle's writings on technology, in particular computers and the internet. Heidegger's thoughts on technology are very interesting as well (regardless of his nazi ties).

No more blasphemous then let's say Milton's Paradise Lost, or Aligheiri's Divine Comedy at the time. I am certain I have some books on Extrasesnsory Perception here that were no doubt, 'blasphemous' in their time as well. Man grows to accept these 'Chaotic Theories', only im time though. But I understand what you mean. The most conventional of thinkers sometime have a tough time accepting the new. It's only Human Nature ;)

Has not technology already surpassed us? We (not you and I but for now 'we' as in the world) were scared with all the y2k hysteria, almost to the effect of man's first threat by its technology.

As for archiving.

I have been fascinated with Iron Mountain as well since I found out of its existence and its archival.

Iron Mountain stores data in some outstanding new formats, not much is talked about it - but basically it is where all records of America is kept. In the old Gold Mines, I found out about it in studies of mazes, and passages when looking up the history of labyrinths etc... nonetheless, they store data for all major corporations and back ups of existing data.

From floor to ceiling, racks of cpus and drives storing info.

They also have records of all patents and copyrights there. The archival of mans existence is already becoming a problem, as they pay lots of money to have shit stored there.

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again, forgot the URL.

damn Im slippin

http://www.ironmountain.com/Index.asp

Everything ends. It would be arrogant-- no, simply foolish-- to assume that we will somehow escape the inevitable.

Mans entire span of life has been the non acceptance of his demise.

I think somewhw we will ourun it for a very long time.

Our life span is in fact increasing, and no doubt medicine is now acheiving the almost impossible.

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Reminds me of that Porno for Pyros song, i cant remember the name

what was it?

certainly. the thing with Lewontin though - is that he is already respected as on of the top geneticists of our time. He holds the Alexander Agassiz chair at Harvard University.

Yet he wrote a book that has attempted to deconstruct (biological) Science. An insider -> not someone from the outside looking in.

I like him already.

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maybe. i think it depends on your definition of 'surpass'. if we manage to go another 100 years into the future without something catastophic (to humans) occuring - i definitely tend towards the idea of convergence of technology, to a point (and level) we can not comprehend.

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We will make great pets

By surpass I guess I mean 'dependant' almost, as I said, somewhat man's first threat by it's own technology.

I certainly believe man will be its own demise, or at least participate in <i>it.</i> But when or how I cannot say, who could? We are the first of species to manage what we have accomplished.

Our sense of self has always been the difference between us and the animals (other) ever seince I read Neuromancer I have known since then we will merge with machines.

How could we not?

My grandma has a fucking titanium hip or whatever they make them out of, hehehe but her hip is now metal nonetheless, as others have hearts built by men.

We will merge, that is no doubt.

And as I said, man has ALWAYS not accepted his demise. We constantly try to outlive ourselves.

From the early Grail Stories to The Fountain of Youth etc, no doubt we will use machines or our technology to outlive ourselves.

We dont want to die. This almost goes down to Dianetic Theory as the Analytical Mind and Survival theories.

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I just love William Gibsons' books and Neuromancer is by far my favorite. He's definatlely captured the right idea.

i agree completey on the 'we are the first'. i'm not 100% on the demise of man. definitely a possibility. but if we we do happen to make it beyond technological convergence, then i thing we maybe become 'pets' (in a sense) to technology.

as long as we survive, this is definitely where we are heading. though the direction has been pointed this way for an extremely short time only (evolutionarily speaking).

fuck, too many crown and cokes :glugglug

Neuromancer kicks ass. everyone should read that book.

I know.

No need to continue, we have plenty of nights left.

Let's get to the music threads.

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IMO, humans in their correct form (homo sapien) haven't existed long enough to even prove that they are a successful species that can stand the test of time! There are many species that are far more successful (success being measured by the longevity of the species itself before it becomes extinct). I don't believe that the homo sapien species will exist in its current form for much longer. Be it from our own doing (a catastraphic event that humans will cause that will have the same effect as the supposed meteorite on the dinosaurs) or be it from the merging of machines and humans as others have suggested, no one knows. This is my scientific opinion.

In my personal opinion, I lean towards the idea that humans will cause their own demise sometime in the next few thousand years and the other species on earth will evolve just like they did after the dinosaurs.

Cassie