Gracie or Ortiz
 

FOR SOME REASON tito is the "new" thing in UFC.... well I tell you this... let a gracie come into the ring again... tito will be in submission quicker than he can say his own damn name..... all these guys think there going the distance but when it comes down to it... who has tito faught that is good that he beat...... thats like people saying Mike Tyson is good
Mike tyson sucks... never once in his carrer has he ever faught anybody good ... and when he did he got the shit kicked outta him..... so Idunno... what do you guys think....

Im a huge fan of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.... however, Tito would had Royce's ass to him.

I fucked Tito.

jackson?

What happened to Royce Gracie? He kicked ass at the start, did he stop fighting? I haven't heard his name come up in a long time.

Royce just fought a couple months ago in Pride over in Japan. He lost. But it was controversial. The ref stopped it when he though that Gracie was being choked out, but on replay it was clear that he was not.

:glugglug

he wasn't even in trouble, let alone close to being choked out.

Exxxotica, there are people around with the skills to beat Royce if they fight conservatively with no mistakes, but nobody is GUARANTEED to beat Royce. Did you see the recent fight between Ryan G and that Japanese guy? All you have to do is miss a punch and overextend your arm a little bit and it's OVER

Royce still has better ground skills than 99% of these guys.

I say bring back Tank Abbot

Gracie Jiu-Jitsu rules. I used to study with Ralph Gracie in S.F. Our blue belts would kick the shit out of most other disciplines black belts. http://tunataco.net/gracie.jpg

True, nobody is GUARANTEED to beat anybody. However, Royce is a one dimensional fighter. He isnt even in the same weight class as Ortiz. Ortiz is a biger, stronger fighter with good wrestling skills, and good punching skills.

The Gracie days of butt scooting and dropping to the guard are over. That might have worked ten years ago against clueless opponents but not anymore. Fighters now days know how to avoid the submissions, and know how to "ground and pound" the pure JiuJitsu guys into submission.

When was the last time the Carlson Gracie team had an impressive victory? Or even an impressive match up? It's been a while.