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BumpUglyz 04-17-2009 07:31 PM

Globill owners "Denial Of Discharge"
 
For those of us that remember Globill, I just received a letter from the US Bankruptcy court, District of Utah. Stating that Daniel David Warren and Kathleen Ann Warren were Denied Chapter 7 Discharge. I guess this has been going on for many years and after screwing me and many other webmasters out of a lot of money, they are still seeking protection.

Did anyone else receive this letter in the mail? Also, did anyone ever get a settlement check from them?

Here is the URL of the case in detail

my letter is dated April 13, 2009

http://ks.findacase.com/research/wfr...027.C10.htm/qx

Scary what happened Siphoning webmasters money into offshore accounts, makes me wonder if this is still going on today?

I wonder where all those rebills I accumulated over the last 8 years have gone :(

TisMe 04-17-2009 07:36 PM

They got me twice, as Sypro and Globill :(

MaDalton 04-17-2009 07:38 PM

give me a minute and i can name 10 billing companies that disappeared with peoples money

Forest 04-17-2009 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15756996)
give me a minute and i can name 10 billing companies that disappeared with peoples money

it takes you that long?

:1orglaugh:winkwink:

MaDalton 04-17-2009 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest (Post 15757003)
it takes you that long?

:1orglaugh:winkwink:

it's 4:40 am and i had some beer. :upsidedow

baddog 04-17-2009 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15757008)
it's 4:40 am and i had some beer. :upsidedow

Okay, fair enough, but it has been 10. :1orglaugh

MaDalton 04-17-2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15757013)
Okay, fair enough, but it has been 10. :1orglaugh

i wasn't actually going to post them, i was just trying to make a point :1orglaugh

but let's see...

- Ibill
- Globill
- Sypro (? never heard of them)
- Globosale
- My virtual Card/Paymonde
- PSW Billing
- Lancelot
- Webstream
- some english company i forgot the name of but that i once was going to try out but they went under first


damn.. only 9... lol

Forest 04-17-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15757046)
i wasn't actually going to post them, i was just trying to make a point :1orglaugh

but let's see...

- Ibill
- Globill
- Sypro (? never heard of them)
- Globosale
- My virtual Card/Paymonde
- PSW Billing
- Lancelot
- Webstream
- some english company i forgot the name of but that i once was going to try out but they went under first


damn.. only 9... lol

did probilling pay everyone off? I remember getting a check from them like a year after they stopped processing cc's

TisMe 04-17-2009 08:10 PM

Lets not forget DMR and First Virtual.

rowan 04-17-2009 10:08 PM

Interesting read... some parts bolded for those with short attention spans...

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Much of the cash obtained by the Warrens was used to acquire assets that they then apparently undervalued so that they would come within the statutory limits for exempt property. Utah law permits a debtor to claim an exemption for a motor vehicle, but only up to $2,500. See Utah Code Ann. § 78-23-8(3). The Warrens' May 7, 2004, bankruptcy schedule listed two vehicles (one for each of them) as exempt, one valued at $1,000 and the other at $2,500. Yet they purchased the "$1,000" vehicle on March 22 for $1,100 and spent $2,050.80 on April 9 for vehicle repairs and improvements. Likewise, they bought the "$2,500" vehicle on March 25 for $2,700 and between March 30 and April 4 spent an additional $2,776.65 for repairs and improvements. Thus, they valued the two vehicles at a total of $3,500 despite having spent $8,600 on them in the prior seven weeks. It is also worth noting that the Warrens used some of their accumulated cash to purchase items protected from creditors by Utah's uncapped exemption for "provisions sufficient for 12 months actually provided for individual and family use." Id. § 78-23-5(1)(a)(viii). During the month before filing their bankruptcy petition they spent $3,000on groceries, $2,000 on clothes, and $2,000 on a mattress.

The Warrens' apparent undervaluing of assets to keep them under the statutory caps extended to assets acquired before the Warrens met with bankruptcy counsel. For example, Utah Code Ann. § 78-23-8(2) provides a $3,500 exemption for "implements, professional books, or tools of [the] trade." Under this provision the Warrens claimed as exempt 14 computers, which they valued at $200 in total despite having paid $31,000 for the used computers seven months earlier. Section 78-23-8(1)(d) provides a $500 exemption for "heirlooms or other items of particular sentimental value." Under this exemption they claimed "wedding rings" valued at $10, a pearl necklace valued at $2.00, a gold ring valued at $3.00, a chair from Spain valued at $0.00, and five paintings valued at a total of $10.00. Section 78-23-8(1)(a) provides a $500 exemption for "sofas, chairs, and related furnishings reasonably necessary for one household." Under this exemption the Warrens claimed over 30 items, including 6 TVs valued at $50 total, china valued at $1.00, crystal valued at $1.00, a stereo valued at $5.00, and a treadmill and stairmaster valued at $20.00 total.As a result, the Warrens' only nonexempt tangible property consisted of sports, camping, and yard equipment; household tools; a third automobile; and a few pieces of furniture.

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It wasn't just their customers they were scamming...

AmeliaG 04-17-2009 11:18 PM

So does this mean webmasters they owe $$$$$$ to can still go after what they are owed?

tako 04-17-2009 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TisMe (Post 15757062)
Lets not forget DMR and First Virtual.

How about Digiblaze and Web Site Billing?

PantieZ 04-18-2009 12:11 AM

I also had my fun with GloBill back in the days, but i didnīt get this letter.

NETbilling 04-18-2009 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15756996)
give me a minute and i can name 10 billing companies that disappeared with peoples money

or 20..... starting with DMR - all 3rd party processors

blogsy 04-18-2009 12:51 AM

Also...Ginix... remember them...I got about 10% of what they owed us..

but with banks going bust these days, worrying about billing companies is small fry...worry about where your "solid" mortgage money is :-)

blogsy 04-18-2009 12:52 AM

also, ACPay....but at least they paid up... I still get wires from them....for old old old (probably dead) recurring members

Drake 04-18-2009 01:22 AM

Lots of interesting info in that link/ruling. I wonder what the Warren's are really worth at this point.

kmanrox 04-18-2009 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 15757431)
or 20..... starting with DMR - all 3rd party processors

99.999% of the gfy'rs here have no idea about Dakota mktg ;)

MaDalton 04-18-2009 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest (Post 15757060)
did probilling pay everyone off? I remember getting a check from them like a year after they stopped processing cc's

Probilling - thats the name is was looking for - maybe they were not english, don't remember

and then this australian idiot that ripped everyone off - was it "merchant solutions" or something like that?

HorseShit 04-18-2009 06:19 AM

http://www.prettyvision.com

x-rate 04-18-2009 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 15757805)
and then this australian idiot that ripped everyone off - was it "merchant solutions" or something like that?

Daniel Tzvetkoff
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...013110,00.html

Iron Fist 04-18-2009 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 15757431)
or 20..... starting with DMR - all 3rd party processors

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmanrox (Post 15757622)
99.999% of the gfy'rs here have no idea about Dakota mktg ;)

:bowdown:bowdown:bowdown

directfiesta 04-18-2009 07:53 PM

and PaySystems ... and another one out of Alberta ( owed me little, so erased from memory their name ) ....

tako 04-18-2009 08:31 PM

Ginix survived. Acquired by Japanese company and still alive as an another 3rd party processor in Japan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blogsy (Post 15757440)
Also...Ginix... remember them...I got about 10% of what they owed us..

but with banks going bust these days, worrying about billing companies is small fry...worry about where your "solid" mortgage money is :-)


topnotch, standup guy 04-18-2009 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetBilling (Post 15757431)
or 20..... starting with DMR - all 3rd party processors

Yeah, yeah we know.... all 3rd party processors.

http://www.scalehaven.com/shokoshu/t...rave_dance.jpg

Actually, I rather expected you to come slithering into this thread a bit sooner there spam boy :1orglaugh

NETbilling 04-19-2009 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 15759459)
Yeah, yeah we know.... all 3rd party processors.

http://www.scalehaven.com/shokoshu/t...rave_dance.jpg

Actually, I rather expected you to come slithering into this thread a bit sooner there spam boy :1orglaugh

Yeah - tough guy. Sorry - we were busy setting up new NETbilling accounts

The Heron 04-19-2009 06:18 AM

I got the letter as well, I think at this point the government has spent more on paperwork than globill actually owed me!


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