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We are a simulation
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Then the ultimate question is?if one accepts that theses 1, 2, and 3 are at least possible? which of the following is more likely?
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no more matrix for you
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Similar to the Matrix I suppose but not quite. There's no external brain-flesh thing going on. The idea is that it's possible at some point, even in millions of years, that a civilization will be advanced enough to create a simulation of artificial intelligence so real as it's hard to distinguish between the simulation and reality.
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The idea of artificial intelligence is probably the biggest challenge to Descartes "I doubt therefore I am" position.
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That is word for word Nick Bostrom's theory in his Simulation Hypothesis as well as support from Tipler's Omega Point of which I already commented about its short comings in an earlier thread.
These are most definitely not new ideas. |
Now place the hash pipe on the coffee table :)
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i totally agree, deya vu are just errors in simulation code.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deja_vu "Scientifically speaking, the most likely explanation of déjà vu is not that it is an act of "precognition" or "prophecy," but rather that it is an anomaly of memory giving the impression that an experience is "being recalled." |
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When you're brainwashed it doesn't matter if you're in a simulation or not. We all live in a manufactured state of consciousness. It's hard to wake up but sometimes it happens. If you could prolong the realization you probably wouldn't be able to function and would sit in a room in the dark on some computer somewhere ...
Crack, it's whats fer dinner. |
The simulation argument is pretty interesting..
The thing is... that us, saying.. "But, wouldn't it take a unbelievable big computer to run the workd".. Maybe.. but what if the reality in which we're is so different that ours that that world is to us what we are to the game of Super Mario? Then this world it pretty simple in their eyes.. and very archivable.. No matter if we're simulated or not the world is not what people think... the world is nothing but data in some way or the other.. matter is an illusion created by our senses.. |
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First it says it is "possible" that a civilization could create a computer simulation which contains individuals with artificial intelligence. He then turns right around and says, "A simulated individual inside the simulation wouldn?t necessarily know that it?s inside a simulation?it?s just going about its daily business in what it considers to be the "real world." Then on his outline alone you must take on "faith", can we say religion anyone, that the following MUST exist for us to be in a simulation: That a civilization so advanced to have these abilities would be so far outside our realm of understanding that they would literally be alien to us, not to mention completely unknowable and most certainly untouchable. It COULD very well be possible or just another attempt by man to rationalize his existence. I never said the simulation hypothesis wasn't possible by the way, you merely perceived that was my position. I belong to the "Anything Is Possible" camp. If you're just getting into the study of theoretical science, hit me up, I could recommend some mind blowing reading material. |
Right, you have to make those assumptions first. Just start with #1. Do you think it's possible that a civilization will ever exist, even in a million years, with that kind of artificial intelligence technology? If yes, we can continue to discuss. If no, then it's no use bothering.
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Shut up or I'll rewrite your code to give you a 1" dick, 12 children and a sex hungry 300 lbs wife called "Hedwig"
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We are already doing it with virtual reality, not to mention complete external stimulus of the cerebral cortex to give vision back to the blind. So is it possible? I will say it again... Yes, it could be. |
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Great, then skip to #3
"A simulated individual inside the simulation wouldn’t necessarily know that it’s inside a simulation—it’s just going about its daily business in what it considers to be the "real world."" Do you agree? |
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A simulation must have rules, specifically safe guards that would protect the integrity of the experiment or "simulation." What is reality after all, if not a presupposition and adherence to the known laws of current physics. One would assume an advance civilization would account for this and apply some sort of intelligence throttle, therefore avoiding the risk of having it's subjects become "aware" of their existence and the simulation at large. Including the formation of a theory on simulated reality. It is a given that all unstable variablities must be accounted for. So I largely subscribe to Bostrom's 1st Ultimate Question and that we are: "the one civilization which develops AI simulations and happens not to be in one itself?" |
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I don't agree that there is an intelligence throttle or safe guards in place to prevent the simulation from becoming aware or supposing that it might be a simulation. So we choose to pursue these thoughts along different lines from this point.
Even so, I might agree with you that #1 to the Ultimate Question could be correct but I wouldn't rule out #2 either or the idea that we are a simulation within a simulation within a simulation x billions. Tipler's concepts on God and cosmology were pretty interesting along this train of thought too. |
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If we, as humans, ever developed technology to make such realistic simulations, there's not a chance in hell that we'd be allowed to run them.
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the kittens are behind it all |
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what would be purpose of making this ?
such civilization would have probably better things to do... |
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What other reason do they need? |
welcome to the matrix, this is old news
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serius bidness
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wow! SOOOOOOO DEEP xDDD
and what if we, actually being a simulation, made another simulation?
oh wait! The Thirteenth Floor anyone?? :winkwink: the cat's pic fits perfect here :2 cents: |
Empirical evidence or misunderstood process?
"In general, quantum systems exist in superpositions of those basis states that most closely correspond to classical descriptions, and from an observer's perspective the state seems to "leap" or "jump" to just one of the basis states and uniquely acquire the value of the property being measured, ei, that is associated with that particular basis state."
This has always struck me as being evidence that we are in a simulation; the fact that any simulation would avoid performing calculations until they actually needed seemed to fit right in with this phenomenon. |
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It's a holographic simulation.
http://www.amazon.com/Holographic-Un.../dp/0060922583 |
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