How do you block people from downloading your videos with the RealPlayer plugin?
 

Yes there is. Im no longer giving away info for free though.

http://groups.google.com/group/googl...07090600010eaf

you could keep an eye on that thread, i'm unsure of how this feature works with realplayer or i would help out.

What exactly does the plugin do, and how does it differ from someone simply "save as" the video ?

Dude, haven't you seen the remarkable success of tube sites. Giving it away for free is the way to go. You give it away for free and then ask him to buy it. Duh!!!!

<shakin head>

i know a simple method that will work if you are that concerned.

Well if you use IE you can download most flash videos. Now sites like Hulu and shit they've obviously figured out how to stop this but most porn tube sites and youtube( and the like ) you can download the .flv files pretty easy. Of course most tube sites have bitrates of 400 kbps or less so the quality is shit, but to a lot of people it's doens't matter.

I do know of one sponsor that has a video site that has previews that are supposed to be 30 seconds but you can download the entire scene and at a 800 kbps rate. Which looks pretty good fullscreen. Most of their content is crap, but I guess for those that like it it's boon for those that don't want to pay a memberhsip. It's even easy to get around the limits they put on the number of previews you can view in a day. Appearantly security wasn't a concern before they launched this site.

ahh so we are discussing flv's here not just regular videos :thumbsup

can anyone with this plugin go to keezmovies and see if you can download the flv's

Well I consult on this, but everytime anyone hits me up I keep just giving out what info they need in order to help the industry. Im done with that. Everyone used to tell me it can't be done, you'll always be ripped. Well I know how to, and do stop our vids from being ripped, and a handful of other programs I have given instructions on how to do it too. Its pay to play time. I have a stand alone solution that will protect your content. I can show you or setup for you streaming solutions that play back just as fast as Hulu if not faster. Programs you want to protect your content and move to a streaming only model? Ok hit me up, but Im done with the freebies. And to all the Sticky haters that will rush in and say I can't do that, or it can't be done. Well it can. And if this industry doesn't switch over to a streaming only model well... if you aren't a company or with a company that has the money to suck up all the small operations you might wanna start looking for a new line of work, cause this industry is about to turn into just a bunch of large companies very soon. Consulting starts at 100.00 for basic info, and up from there for more.

my members enjoy the fact they can download the videos for themselves.. so we're sticking with that :)

yes I can download them.

Does it matter if they're .flvs? I can stream them to my Tv using Tversity and my XBOX 360 or PS3.

camtasia studio 5 for the screenrecording win...

Hey, hit me vie email with a general overview of your offering. I mean,shit, $100 is nothing to protect content.

Not that I want to hijack this thread but I disagree in the "cause this industry is about to turn into just a bunch of large companies very soon. " I think it's going to end up being a ton of smaller companies. Smaller niche sites.

I can definitely vouch for the fact that Sticky's ideas DO stop every way of downloading. Tested now against every known application there is...including Replay Media Catcher. No way to sniff out the vid location, no way to use replay to snatch it, just no way at all to get it. But there are several steps involved. Anyone interested should consult with Sticky. But you better have your shit together first, or have a programmer that can do these things in on the conversation. This isn't a job for guys who aren't tech savvy.

You can do that, but my method has steps in place to dissuade people from doing that, making it too much of a hassle. It they do it for personal use only, thats fine but if they upload it it can be tracked back to them.

Ill be in and out today. We are in the middle of getting ready to move next weekend and packing and boxing stuff up and moving over whatever I can between now and the actual full move. If you can drop me an email so I don't forget. Now keep in mind the 100.00 will get you pointed in the right direction. I can provide you with a full ready to go solution, but it will be more than 100.00 obviously, and it would include a player that none of the current methods of ripping videos will work on.

Thanks Robbie. If they don't have a programmer I can provide a stand alone solution, and methods which won't require getting an extra server or licensing fees for streaming media servers. There are ways to have all their videos up and running on a stand alone streaming solution that is nearly fully protected, and be up and running in less than a week. Price point on this will vary depending on how much they want me to get setup for them. Email is in sig. If you want your content protected, and to stream as fast as Hulu does and be able to save bandwidth by only being charged for the parts of the video actually viewed hit me up.

that's good. it was something i was always curious on. i've been wondering for a while why not track the people who share, or if it wasd even possible. seems interesting that you've incorporated this. if everybody jumped to a model that was trackable, and some actual lawsuits got laid out. would be interesting.

Well as of next week Ill have a site setup with info and pricing. Everyones sales are down due to content theft so I guess Ill have to cash in on a solution to slow down the theft.

Why not? If it works, and it sounds like you have most angles covered, cash in on it... :thumbsup

because i dont have the realplayer thingie i cant test it out but why i was checking about keezmovies and/or flv was because keezmovies puts their flv's inside a playlist not directly in the embed code ( i.e. myswf?file=movie.flv ) so i was thinking perhaps the realplayer would download the playlist not the actual file, in this case you could simply wrap your flv or wmv etc inside a playlist to avoid direct downloads.

I will try and make some demo's up and see how it does the downloading. Like if it uses the cache of the video its gonna be hard to stop, if it redownloads the video it can probably be stopped fairly easy

Well of course they do. Just the same as I would be tickled pink if I could keep a car I rented for a month instead of returning it to the rental place. What a surprise people like to keep things they shouldn't really be able to keep. lol :winkwink:

And to that, I would say...I agree with what members like. It's what we conditioned them to do back when internet speeds would allow streaming. You HAD to download back then. So now it's expected.

But here is what I did. First I spent the last few months working on streaming and then stopping the continued theft of the streaming.

Finally got that accomplished 100%

So my next step? I put downloadable .wmv's back in! That's right. Once I stopped them dead cold from downloading and got complete control of it...I re-uploaded .wmv's for every scene.

But here's the kicker...They are watermarked in all 4 corners HEAVY. The resolution is small. And the encode rate is just barely enough to make the downloaded version "decent"

It's more than enough for any member to download to his hard drive and keep. But if he tries to upload that low bit rate .wmv to a tube site...it's gonna be re-encoded to a .flv and look like shit.

Now if the member wants to watch the scene in a high quality high bit rate in instantaneous streaming with the full ability to move anywhere within the movie and start viewing it immediately at that point...then all they have to do is just watch the movie in the members area the way it should be.

My members are LOVING this. Once I put these low bit rate small size .wmvs' in for them to download a couple of days ago...they now feel like they are getting something extra. Which they ARE.

To me this is the perfect solution. I give my members a downloadable version forever, and all the while keep the high quality version protected and only available in the members area.

The content retains it's value and the members are happy.

If it's HIS site and HIS content then it's up to HIM to decide if his members DESERVE to keep the content not you. Who in the fuck are you to tell people who should and shouldn't have their content. You have right to determine who keeps YOUR content and that's all. You have ZERO right to tell another how to run his business whether you think he's doing it "correctly" or not.

WTF are you talking about? Sticky didn't insinuate anything like that. He is offering to help stop piracy, which is now at epidemic levels. You're putting words in his mouth.

Now knowing Sticky, he'd probably be better off with a dick in his mouth :1orglaugh but he never even remotely insinuated that he was trying to tell another person what to do.

Don't you have a bridge to hide under? I never see you with anything worth a shit to say.

I simply stated the obvious. If you can goto the store and get 12 sirloin steaks for the price of 1 steak you will be happy. Does that make it a wise business model? Umm no.

Find me an adult bookstore where you can go in pay 30.00 and walk out of the store with every dvd they sell. Would that seem like common sense? No. Our business model is retarded as they come. We RENT a tangible product, and allow our customer to keep the rental.

But you are the fucktard constantly saying how content can't be protected and downloads can't be stopped. Gee I wonder why you are so up on how content is stolen... :uhoh I know why Robbie, and I and others know how thief's are finding new ways to steal, but hmm why do you seem to always be up on the latest content theft procedures?

STUART D PLEASE PORT OVER YOUR PLUGIN FOR GOOGLE CHROME!! Please Please please... lol

Pretty sure it uses cache, at least an older version I was playing with 2-3 years ago was.

really?

that pretty much seems like he's saying people shouldn't be able to keep content.

No, but without having to go through the whole explanation..I'll simply say what is true.
He never told Spunky what to do. If you read that into it, then you're simply wanting to start an argument. Whatever your feelings are on people keeping another persons content is irrelevant. Everybody has an opinion. Mine is, I sell memberships to a website....not the right to download my content and then reupload it so another person can make money. Period.
Spunky is just like anyone, free to make his business decisions as he pleases. Sticky was merely pointing out why protecting your content is smarter in the long run than not protecting it. Anything else you try to read into that is just arguing for the sake of having an argument and doesn't contribute anything to this conversation.

I don't think so. This is something newer.

I click on the movie, once is starts playing a little box shows up like this

http://lh5.ggpht.com/gopinathmunisif...loadVideo1.png

I click on that box and it downloads the movie. I also forgot that it downloads .mp4 too not just strictly .flv

Been there tested that, won't touch my content. I know exactly how it works, as well as the other rippers out there that also wont work on my solution. That real player shit isn't new either.

I am curious about this too, keep us updated on your findings.....

I would be interested as an affiliate to find out programs that are using these techniques and are committed to protecting their streaming content and will not be offering downloadable content in their members area. I think those may get an extra edge in deciding who to put more effort into promoting in the future. :2 cents:

I have a demo you can test. I do this on a case by case basis and don't put things up publicly. If I don't hit you up tomorrow hit me up and remind me, in midst of getting ready to move right now, so pretty busy.

Thats what everyone needs to push for, because its why everyones ratios are going into the toilet. If there is vending machines all over the place that all you have to do is hit the button and out comes a 12oz coke as many times as you want, why is anyone going to put any money into your vending machine to get one, when the rest are free?

Sounds good! :)

Although there are several ways to make it inconvenient for newbies to
save your videos, there is absolutely positively no way to stop anyone
who knows a little bit about it. Unfortunately, the people you need to worry
about, the ones who routinely download a large portion of your stuff and
post it everywhere, are also the same people who know how to quickly
get past anything you might do to try to make it a little harder.

You, like most people who have been asking the same question for the
last twelve years, asked how to stop people from DOWNLOADING the
video. Of course their computer has to DOWNLOAD the video in order
to display it. What you mean is how to stop them from SAVING it to the
hard drive. Fact is, though, once you give them the video, you have no
way of knowing what they do with it - whether they watch it, save it,
or neither - maybe they've left the room. You can;t even KNOW if
they are saving it to a hard drive or other drive, must less CONTROL
what they do. In fact, on many home networks someone on a completely
different computer can easily save everything that another computer
views - they just save whatever video happens to come across the wire.

Ray

Ray you are wrong on this again. Running encrypted streams plus a bit of protection keeps videos from being ripped. No ripper out there will currently work on our solution. And to say the way that videos get out there is some secret group of people buying memberships and downloading then spreading them is not true. The main source is the average member not knowing any better, clicking the dl to hard drive, then uploading it to whatever community that gives them a pat on the back.

Real player for instance downloads a file that is like 23kb. There ARE rippers that are able to grab encrypted streams, but there are ways to absolutely stop that, and my way does.

we spoiled the surfer we need to unspoil em or simply live with the fact that membership sales will be gone soon end of story

to unspoil make it hard to download, use flash everyone can watch it enlarge it fast forward etc

and stop giving away too much in the members area, archive shit for 29.95 they get too much especially sites that have been doing weekly updates for a long time

and with badtushy.com already its all flash streaming effective a few days ago and im making more changes in the coming days

enough is enough, there will be those that follow me and stay around and those who dont who will destroy their business

then again if you peddle a guy fucking a girl thats history in the making porn anyway

and for those affiliates with shit conversions, well you deserve it, promoting a program based on PPS and how much hype it has = you are a sheep, so fuck you

:thumbsup:thumbsup

If you can stop camstasia, gamecam or a similar application fro recording your video... then I guess you should patent it because effectively you would have invented the only solution on the market that allows you to show a video to the surfer but not allow him to record what is displayed on his screen.

If your solution also prevents the surfer from plugging his TV screen to his computer using a DVI connection and then plugging a DVD recorder to his TV, then hitting the Record DVD button and getting your films on DVD... then you better call all the Hollywood studios. Your solution could stop the movie pirating overnight.

This is just a basic way to bypass your solution without even knowing what does it do or not.

I guess you are using Cavecreek's CDN, and it's far away from being foolproof as you describe it. Using encrypted RTMP doesn't mean that it cannot be ripped. It only means that if someone wants to rip it he needs to invest some time.
Nowadays this means that they will just go to the next site in their list and that's it... but if someone wants to get your content on ther HD or directly on DVD... trust me that they can have it.

Anyways... since your content is unrippeable... can I put it on my tube site? I would like to make it the legal way... so I will ask you to sign a NDA and you will get a full report about how it's done. Then instead of charging you money, I will charge you with all your sites content getting legal rights to publish the full scenes on my tubes.

Deal?

Thanks and camtasia will work, but in order for them to do it there will be a large hassle. Plus we run HD streams and I've used and tried camtasia. Yes you run tube sites and I would show you a demo Hardy Har Har. lol

Here is another one that figures since there is a way to possibly still get the content we ought to make a big neon download button for everyone. The percentage that will bother to try and bypass our system is so minimal its not a huge deal. Thats when you get someone like Protectyourcontent.com to help you remove whatever small amount leaks out.

But shit. Why bother trying to slow down the floodgates. Just everyone take down your htaccess and open your members areas, throw up some cam and dating ads and make a killing. ANOTHER brilliant biz model that the industry has started.

How did Galaxycash.com work out for you? Making lot of money parked? lol

:2 cents: