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pornlaw 02-20-2009 12:10 PM

2257 Back .... Connections case overturned in 6th Circuit
 
From AVN....

http://business.avn.com/articles/34501.html

MrPinks 02-20-2009 12:21 PM

wonderful :mad:

Nikki_Licks 02-20-2009 12:28 PM

Great! Here we go again.....:disgust

JustDaveXxx 02-20-2009 12:32 PM

yup. here we go again.

notime 02-20-2009 12:33 PM

thanks Michael

baddog 02-20-2009 12:36 PM

Quote:

"Although Connection maintains that a simple look at the photos in its magazines makes clear that the persons pictured are obviously not minors, the record proves otherwise," the court wrote. "A brief glance at one of the issues of the magazine reveals many images (particularly the frequent depiction of mere body parts) from which no lay observer could readily discern the individuals' ages, as well as a number of images that appear (and in some cases purport) to portray youthful individuals."
Did anyone stop to peruse the evidence before submitting it?

pornlaw 02-20-2009 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 15527649)
Did anyone stop to peruse the evidence before submitting it?

Yeah, who would have thought of doing something like that...

baddog 02-20-2009 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 15527740)
Yeah, who would have thought of doing something like that...

Apparently not them. Amazing.

davecummings 02-20-2009 07:40 PM

This is Yuk!

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...na8c_ryBQ.cspx

DWB 02-20-2009 07:57 PM

Change we can believe in! ;-)

Seriously, to spend 13 years fighting this as they did only to win and have it overturned... I mean, what's the point of even fighting anymore? You win then they just say "you lose, thanks for playing" and that's that.

DWB 02-20-2009 07:58 PM

Does the FSC still think the FBI won't be doing inspections?

http://business.avn.com/articles/34486.html

Dirty Dane 02-20-2009 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 15529338)
Does the FSC still think the FBI won't be doing inspections?

http://business.avn.com/articles/34486.html

The fact remains: After inspecting more than two dozen adult companies in an 18-month period, the Justice Department has yet to bring a single 2257-based criminal case against a "mainstream" adult producer.

And the question remains: Will President Obama's administration continue to pursue an even more overcomplicated version of this law?


Yeah... make it even more complicated, so they can finally make you criminal. Even if its not CP. Thats "justice" :Oh crap

DWB 02-20-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 15529434)

Yeah... make it even more complicated, so they can finally make you criminal. Even if its not CP. Thats "justice" :Oh crap

I had a a massive customs search when I entered the USA a few months ago, posted about it here, and it was the only time I have traveled with content. I had a ton of it, 13 months worth shooting in Asia. I usually ship it back but this time I was running behind and there was just too much of it to ship in such a short notice so I just packed it, like an idiot, and traveled it.

They said they were looking for CP, no problem, I had all my IDs and documentation. It was almost all tranny content btw (it was priceless watching these homophobes look at 100s of tranny scenes and pics). They searched both my laptops, my drives, all my DVDs and even got into what was downloaded in my email. So after finding that every single model was of legal age, they STILL said they were noting me in the computer to be searched for all future visits to the USA. "Just in case" they said. So I'm guilty even though I was totally innocent. Great system we have.

I'm a happy expat for a reason. Fuck this place. I'm feel bad, but thankful, for heroes like Dave and his kind who actually put their lives on the line for this pile of shit that American has become. After I go back home this time, I doubt I'll ever be coming back. Why bother? To be treated like a criminal for no reason at all? I'll pass. :2 cents

Redrob 02-20-2009 11:53 PM

2257 won't be dead until FSC drives a stake through its heart. IMHO.

pornlaw 02-21-2009 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob (Post 15529931)
2257 won't be dead until FSC drives a stake through its heart. IMHO.

While I support the FSC, they stand little to no chance of that. 2257 will always be here. This most recent decision proves that.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-21-2009 12:22 AM

Crazy yo..

DWB 02-21-2009 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 15529979)
While I support the FSC, they stand little to no chance of that. 2257 will always be here. This most recent decision proves that.

And there you have it.

baddog 02-21-2009 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob (Post 15529931)
2257 won't be dead until FSC drives a stake through its heart. IMHO.

Come on. It isn't going anywhere. The rules may change [constantly], but it is here to stay.






*edit
what Mike said.

KillerK 02-21-2009 02:46 AM

The Free Speech Coalition plans to issue an analysis of the ruling to members next week.

Next Week? How long really does it take to analyze the shit and go you guys are fucked again. Hope you kept up on records.

pornlaw 02-21-2009 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 15530218)
The Free Speech Coalition plans to issue an analysis of the ruling to members next week.

Next Week? How long really does it take to analyze the shit and go you guys are fucked again. Hope you kept up on records.

Its a long decision (72 pages) with several Judges writing dissenting opinions. It was a 11 to 6 decision. This one is going to take a little time to read and analyze.

MakingItPay 02-21-2009 11:59 AM

We are still in Iraq, Gitmo is still open, Afghanistan has a surge, and 2257 is back. This change is awesome!

seeric 02-21-2009 02:26 PM

No offense but the community is/has lost all faith in the FSC. If I was some hick in the heart of the USA with no contact with the outside world I would not make that statement, but I'm not, I live here, in the heart of porn valley, and I talk to hundreds of people on a monthly basis in the course of my porno travels. Driving stakes through hearts takes cash. Lobbying takes cash. Teeth = Cash. The FSC is running around gumming a bunch of things right now, including piracy. Too many irons in the fire and no one to stoke the fires.

:2 cents:

crockett 02-21-2009 03:44 PM

Never fear, I hear FSC is all over it.. they are looking for lawyers as we speak.. :1orglaugh



(for the last 4 months)

$5 submissions 02-21-2009 04:05 PM

Next stop: Supreme Court?

$5 submissions 02-21-2009 04:06 PM

The court used a "reasonable basis" standard. Since this involves speech "time place and manner" issues, didn't the US Supreme Court mandate an "intermediate standard"?

digitaldivas 02-21-2009 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davecummings (Post 15529278)

...much respect, Dave

pornlaw 02-21-2009 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 15532671)
Next stop: Supreme Court?

I strongly doubt that the US Supreme Court would grant certioria on the Connections case. There currently stands no conflict between the Circuit Courts. Further, why would a conservative Supreme Court grant cert just to uphold the constitutionality of law that is not yet been really challenged.

If there were several cases involving 2257 pending and several Circuits all with different holdings as to its constitutionality then perhaps it would be an issue that the Supreme Court would want to address.

Remember the US Supreme Court denied the state of California's request to hear the Freeman case, in which the California Supreme Court decided that porn production was a protected right under the First Amendment. If the US Supreme Court would have heard and upheld the Freeman decision, porn production would have been legal everywhere.

And a challenge to the new regs is going to be even more difficult now that third party custodians are allowable.


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