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Joshua G 01-31-2009 08:55 AM

prostitution or pornography?
 
I have never understood why the act of paying for sex is illegal, but throw a camera into the mix & this is pornography & legally protected speech. I know technically porn production is illegal everywhere except LA county, but nobody in Jersey was ever jailed for shooting porn. I have a business license that explicitly states i produce & distribute porn. Why doesn't the govt prosecute all porn productions under prostitution laws?

:helpme

Mutt 01-31-2009 09:04 AM

hey where did you shoot Erin the girl in your avatar?

http://www.bratcash.com/gnd/erin_3.jpg

http://www.bratcash.com/gnd/erin_1.jpg

http://www.bratcash.com/gnd/erin_4.jpg

Reak AGV 01-31-2009 09:24 AM

I dont understand it either, maybe because prostitution is more public when legal?

Barefootsies 01-31-2009 09:26 AM

Puritans.
:2 cents:

Joshua G 01-31-2009 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 15415718)
hey where did you shoot Erin the girl in your avatar?

She worked for me last summer. She gave me some of the best bouncing boob footage ever! I will be publishing in the not too distant future...

seeandsee 01-31-2009 09:39 AM

tax sex !!!!

woj 01-31-2009 10:14 AM

I wonder if it's a legit loophole... you get a prostitute, snap a pic or 2 of her, then when you get busted, you say it was a porn shoot? heh

Altheon 01-31-2009 10:18 AM

Ha ha woj. Just call it a POV shoot.

bobby666 01-31-2009 10:42 AM

i really don't know the answer -good question

brassmonkey 01-31-2009 10:46 AM

because its regulated under your license

Ace_luffy 01-31-2009 10:56 AM

i like both

:)

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 01-31-2009 11:18 AM

Prostitution should be legal anyways.

LoveSandra 01-31-2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 15416146)
Prostitution should be legal anyways.

:2 cents::2 cents:

Donfoolio 01-31-2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 15415705)
I have never understood why the act of paying for sex is illegal, but throw a camera into the mix & this is pornography & legally protected speech. I know technically porn production is illegal everywhere except LA county, but nobody in Jersey was ever jailed for shooting porn. I have a business license that explicitly states i produce & distribute porn. Why doesn't the govt prosecute all porn productions under prostitution laws?

:helpme

why are you even asking? If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT! :mad:

besides all the girls do BOTH, at least the smart ones do both. :pimp

mikesouth 01-31-2009 12:21 PM

It's not a loophole and the legal argument is very simple.

When you shoot a girl there are 2 copyrights to the work, yours and hers neither of you can do anything with that content without the others consent, this consent comes in the form of a model release that releases the models copyright to the photographer, or a photographers release that releases the photographers copyright to the model.

What you are paying for is the release of the copyright, not the sex.

Klen 01-31-2009 12:28 PM

I was wondering yesterday that too also.But it seems prostitution is half legal in us, because many customers are powerful politicians
which prevent bordels being closed.

cherrylula 01-31-2009 02:07 PM

because it is hard to regulate hookers and they spread disease.

but it should be legal, and regulated.

wyldblyss 01-31-2009 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 15416329)
It's not a loophole and the legal argument is very simple.

When you shoot a girl there are 2 copyrights to the work, yours and hers neither of you can do anything with that content without the others consent, this consent comes in the form of a model release that releases the models copyright to the photographer, or a photographers release that releases the photographers copyright to the model.

What you are paying for is the release of the copyright, not the sex.

But if you cum *ON* the release, does that make it prostitution because you are sort of paying for partial sex? http://www.iconwild.com/smilies/laug...smiley-025.gif

Michaelious 01-31-2009 04:07 PM

Yeah i've always wondered that myselff

tony286 01-31-2009 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 15416329)
It's not a loophole and the legal argument is very simple.

When you shoot a girl there are 2 copyrights to the work, yours and hers neither of you can do anything with that content without the others consent, this consent comes in the form of a model release that releases the models copyright to the photographer, or a photographers release that releases the photographers copyright to the model.

What you are paying for is the release of the copyright, not the sex.

well said mike

After Shock Media 01-31-2009 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 15415705)
I have never understood why the act of paying for sex is illegal, but throw a camera into the mix & this is pornography & legally protected speech. I know technically porn production is illegal everywhere except LA county, but nobody in Jersey was ever jailed for shooting porn. I have a business license that explicitly states i produce & distribute porn. Why doesn't the govt prosecute all porn productions under prostitution laws?

:helpme

To start it is not just legal in LA county, it is legal statewide in CA.
Pornography would fall under a form of performance art and be covered by free speech laws, where prostitution has no such grounds.

DWB 02-01-2009 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 15415718)

OMG... those tits are perfect. :2 cents:


And yes, its ALL prostitution as far as I see it. I don't care what California law says, if you are getting paid to have sex, it is what it is.

DWB 02-01-2009 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 15416329)
It's not a loophole and the legal argument is very simple.

When you shoot a girl there are 2 copyrights to the work, yours and hers neither of you can do anything with that content without the others consent, this consent comes in the form of a model release that releases the models copyright to the photographer, or a photographers release that releases the photographers copyright to the model.

What you are paying for is the release of the copyright, not the sex.

That's a very clever way to put it.

It's like the hookers that sell a lighter to you for $100. The sex is free.

Sid70 02-01-2009 02:27 AM

i did like it much better covered with a bra :(

sexandcash 02-01-2009 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Adultmix (Post 15417801)
i did like it much better covered with a bra :(

she's a great looking girl but she is sagging (i mean, they are natural and very large...not very unexpected mind you)
I agree...

Si 02-01-2009 08:49 AM

why does it matter?

Joshua G 02-01-2009 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15417504)
To start it is not just legal in LA county, it is legal statewide in CA.
Pornography would fall under a form of performance art and be covered by free speech laws, where prostitution has no such grounds.

best response so far IMO.

Digging deeper, the 1957 US Supreme Court decision Butler vs Michigan established the right of adults to produce & consume porn, arguing that, to prohibit the sale of porn would "reduce the adult population of michigan to reading only what is fit for children."

I'm happy now. :)

pornlaw 02-01-2009 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 15416329)
It's not a loophole and the legal argument is very simple.

When you shoot a girl there are 2 copyrights to the work, yours and hers neither of you can do anything with that content without the others consent, this consent comes in the form of a model release that releases the models copyright to the photographer, or a photographers release that releases the photographers copyright to the model.

What you are paying for is the release of the copyright, not the sex.

Not true... where does the California or New Hampshire Supreme Court discuss model releases, copyrights and intellectual property in either the Freeman decision or the most recent Theriault decision making it legal in NH.

The legal argument is that pornography is a protected First Amendment right and that the person paying the actors, was not receiving sexual gratification.

Under both Freeman and Theriault, POV shoots were the producer and the actor is the same person would not be considered a protected First Amendment right and could be considered prostitution.

BTW - Here is a great article in the Georgetown Law Journal about the enforceability of contracts for sex in this industry.

http://www.georgetownlawjournal.org/...den%5B1%5D.pdf


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