Alright, here we go again: CCBill vs NATS (and other autonomous back-ends)
 

These days i pulled ~200 links down, what is dozen of programs on autonomous back-end.
Though i have some concerns regarding ccbill, but there's too many autonomous back-end programs which:
1. don't pay webmasters earned money (few programs owe me few k in common)
2. sometimes there comes a time when owner doesn't care how things are going, we may have broken links, wm login form doesn't work, etc
3. screw surfers with literally cc fraud
4. and even get their NATS license expired.

it's not easy to idealize CCBill, but it is more durable than autonomous back end programs. i'd suggest a guy who is going to open new program to start with CCBill or Epoch rather than NATS. my distrust to new nats programs is too big now

btw till the end of the February we are going to list all CCBill programs at Signbucks Daily. Currently we have COMPLETE list of them, just need to process.

I'd like to support CCBill and ask them to make some improvements in their work

All my shit works....click on Mr. Cosby.

I use CCBill, as an affiliate and as a program owner. Considering the % we pay, you'd think the backend would be up to par with the systems you mention.

I checked back and it's been almost 3 years they have been promising a new system. Instead we get Live Support Chat, which oddly enough I am VERY thankful for.

Since CCBILL is a guarantee of payouts and a synonyme of reliability, third party affiliate software, if used properly by the right team of people, with the right billers and with the right set of sites gives way more options to capitalize on traffic - cascading / geo IP targeting / advanced stats tracking and therefore theoretically much better $ / block of traffic.

Our brand new stuff will be MPA3 powered, although considering adding CCBILL as an option.

80% of my cheques come from CCBILL... true story.

I used to make most of my money from ccbill.. lately I have a few nats sponsors picking up the slack

Hit for hit I earn MUCH more with non ccbill sponsors. The thread starter is right though, some programs responsible for their own payouts are more risky (no sending payment or billing errors). Also they can have more ways to fuck over customers.

Any program you use establish at minimum basic correspondence with the owner of the program, and check their join forms & members areas.

say autonomous again

please?

ccbill means for me three weeks and 15 usd to get my money from their checks. nats and similar systems are for me epass, but with some sponsors also pain, as their stats are counting really shit. so, i am more promoting sponsors with epass option, but some, and still more, are on my ignore list :winkwink: lets pray for ccbill and their own credit card! :thumbsup

btw man, why do you have your signbucks targeted to webmasters only? do you have any surfers option? i am sure many rich surfers who are looking for new sites can give you some sign ups also ... :winkwink:

btw it would be really cool if ccbill would pay webmasters thru their own ccbill credit card

thx TeenCat. Yep, we do have surfers targeted SBD version ;)

I'd like ACH/EFT.

I second this. Direct Deposit over Wire Transfers any day.