tgp vs. tube: tube wins!
 

i know that you know already ... but i found today why ... i was checking about 50 tgps to see whats new and what will be good to promote ... i found some nice galleries so i wanted to know whats the sponsor ... i needed to click at least 5-10 times to get the gallery! and it not depends on how big the traffic is, all the tgps are just scamming surfers so they will not come back and your tgps is going to shit ... cause at tube sites surfer got what he see! just wanted to say ... you are giving shit, expect shit ... i am really sad about 95% of tgps i saw today ... :(

Welcome to 2006.

Just passing by ...

Put this on your tube :

thank you, i know its old info but i am not visiting tgps as i know its crap like i wrote, but i forgot about it and today the memories came back ... :Oh crap

Hmm, last time I've checked it was called "not giving away everything for free".....

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Well not all tgps have skim some of them are with no skim.

TGP's are annoying but then again so are tubes!

To be honest, I always thought that the circle jerk of tgp's was good for the industry. My hopes were that people would get frustrated and subscribe to a pay site. But the truth is that it has only forced the consumer to go to outlets that do not support the industry, like illegal tubes. Since their model is not designed to end in a subscription to a content site, but more about pageviews then anything, tubes have no problem giving them what they want to get that precious pageview. We need to heavily transition to tubes that promote subscription sites as the end result, filling them with promo material instead of stolen vids, and we have to make it a standard replacement for the tgp of old. :2 cents:

is this doridori?

TGP's skimming traffic isn't great but they do what they have to do.

My input to this thread is that regardless of the tgp skim, we convert tgp/mgp traffic about 10:1 over tube traffic....in general. We've found certain not-illegal tubes that run +/-90 sec clips that do convert for us but any tube that runs 5+ minute videos is a complete waste as far as a promotional tool, in my opinion.

Skim tgp are a pain for me also.

But some surfers must like getting thrown into only-god-knows-where by skim tgps
because they continue to surf the network everyday.

My skim tgp was hard to keep alive because the trades were losing traffic more
and more.

amc's tube galleries convert on tube and tgp sites..and are optimized for smartthumb sites

you said it right. TGP's employ way to much traffic trading shit. I put that shit ojn a few of mine and watched sales plummet while my traffic stats went wild. Since then, i've removed all that shit, traffic is down, but sales are much better, return traffic is constant as well as bookmarks.
If a surfer has to click a pic more then once to get the gallery, their gone, and never coming back. thats why tubes beat tgp's.........
plus all the full leingth stolen movies help........

Also many tube site lately have huge skim too.And tgp sites skim only trades,bookmark,noref and notrade traffic is not skimmed.

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Sounds like it's your sites that don't sell on tubes.

Spanning about 10 major programs, I convert tube traffic about twice as well, on average, than TGP traffic. :2 cents:

A lot of the smaller tubes are starting to skim as a way to try to build traffic. The popular tube sites are already set in stone as a destination for surfers so the smaller ones don't know what to do to get all that traffic they dreamed of.

Yeah, I've never really understood the raison d'être of illegal tubes - they are paying for shitloads of bandwidth and can't be getting that much back in advertiser revenue (some don't even have *any* ads.

Skimming kept the tgp booger from crusting over, but I don't understand these tubes. I see ads at the end of the movies, but why not make that unlink connection a redirect to the owner's signup page?

Why not add inject headers to create popus every xx secs of a movie to show the sponsors videos?

So much more (legal) revenue could be made from these sites, just seems totally underexploited :2 cents:

Right, but what do they want this traffic for??? Popups and unders I can understand as that's resalable, but just to say "we have XXXK visitors per day?". I think I'm being naive!

I have a site that is serving between 2-3 million javascripts per day. If I wanted to monetise that traffic, it would be simple - add a 5% skim, where I control that surfer's browser. It would be very lucrative as I have all the info on that surfer, so targeting that traffic would be easy. But I won't do that, as I'd be losing my clients' trust.

(Illegal) tubes on the other hand have no clients and no scruples yet they just let the visitor come in, jerk off, go away. The owner of the tube pays for the bandwidth and the owner of the movie loses a potential sale. Yet there are tons of ways where both parties can benefit. It just hasn't been done. These 30sec trailer tubes don't cut it in the forest of illegal tubes.

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You assume all TGP's skim traffic which is not true.. Also something to think about, the whole idea behind a CJ was to piss off the surfer enough so they would sign up because it was too hard to find free porn.

Now with tubes and everything else, it's all given to them on a silver platter and many of the free sites give out more content that a typical paysite. Yea give the surfer what he wants .. Free Porn for the win!

I think most Tube owners would be afraid to pull a stunt like that, in fear the surfer would just go to another competiting Tube... It would have to be a standard for it to be effective otherwise the surfers would just boycott that tube for another one. I'm sure Surfers know of more than one tube....

Teencat, True TGP's have never done blindlinks. But so many people opened script driven TGP's that are never touched by human hands that are nothing but blindlinks and circlejerk traffic that it made the rest of us look bad.

Please check out my TGP's http://shavedgoat.com/goat.html or http://grampland.com/mmpage.html and see what a proper tgp should do. You will never be blindlinked or circle jerked on a real one.

And there were always only a handful of us that had real tgps. All those other circle jerk sites masquerading as tgp's gives it a bad name.

Having said that...Tubes still kicked all of our asses. I now have 1/20th of the traffic that I had 2 years ago. Granted, my traffic is now even better quality because a lot of free site surfers are teenage boys and they are all now at the tubes.

I've seen you say in multiple threads that tube sites convert twice as good as TGP's and I won't argue with you, you can find a handful of tube/sponsor combos that do convert, I've done it myself. But the overall net effect on the industry is very poor conversions.

Every sponsor has their videos on tube sites, whether they put them there or not. Most have at least the watermark. If tube sites converted twice as good as TGPs on the whole then why aren't program owners experiencing a new golden age of porn sales? Why arn't the programs swimming in cash with all the free type in sign ups?

Like I said, you can find a few niche/program/tube combos that will convert very well, but the overall net effect on the industry is very poor conversions. I don't think you can argue that fact.

people who are into pics are into pics.. Tubes dont hurt them, tubes hurt mgp's more.

Some people need to spank to a moment in time. A picture is an event, a movie is a process. There is a difference. Sometimes you can catch that perfect picture that is worth a 1000 movies

Duke

Is that jack black in the green?

TGP's became "hybrids" a long time ago. We've always had movie galleries on the sites since video galleries were made. So make no mistake...tubes have hurt all of us BADLY in the freesite business. Plus with all the cool players out there now, I can scroll in fast forward and reverse and pause. So if I see something that particularly got my dick hard, I can pause it there while whacking lol

The only things that I can offer as a tgp is a bit of personality and human touch. It still seems to keep good quality traffic and surfers who are old enough to actually have a credit card. But the downside is I'm losing all those 15 year olds when they turn 18.

Now instead of clicking my link, they are doing type ins or not buying at all.