Piratebay preparing for end
 

It seems there are new laws in sweden in preparation which may stop piratebay working.That will be nice to see,but again considering tube sites question is it now toolate.
Read here about it:
http://thepiratebay.org/blog/142

Surely they will evolve or move to Vanuatu or something?

Yeah, they will figure out something..... :2 cents:

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Maybe they can change hosting place but considering their identity is known they wont be able to continue running it.Unless they sell site.

The most amazing thing is how they think they are in the right to steal from other people. Some are very indignant that we should even think of stopping them from stealing and how clever they are at getting around the attempts of the content owners and Governments trying to stop them.

Here's the solution to Torrents and Tubes. Make it illegal for a US company to advertise on them and they will disappear over night. OK tough one to pass and won't happen, but it will show that these fighters for "Freedom of Speech" are nothing but opportunists trying to profit by promoting theft.

I bet they don't take kindly to people not paying the advertising bill.

Take away their ability to profit from sharing Torrent info and they will disappear, no matter what country they are in. They are in it for the money.

Technically they aren't stealing anything, they just operate a database of in a way links to stolen content...:2 cents:

I'm not saying I support it, but they are getting away with it because they aren't actually stealing anything...

Exactly. TPB is merely a search engine to torrents. People going to go after Google next for exposing peoples open directories of mp3s?

you do realize this is the pirate bay
they have been very public about their identities since the police raid a couple of years ago

they go on speaking engagements

they moved their head office directly across from brein

you amaze me

Thank you for bring this up. TPB and other trackers are merely LINKING to stolen content, they aren't hosting it, creating it, etc.

If i am not wrong,if you say someone how to steal something and he do that,then you go to jail also as person who did crime.Not same sentence but you go.

No,but i dont understood why riaa/mpaa and other anti piracy organizations didnt forced google to remove urls which leads to ilegall content like rapidshare do.I know that can be done with sending DCMA to google but that is slow proccess.

That sucks, PB is a great site for a very number of reasons.

If you're still worried about tube and torrent sites, you're doing it wrong.

Let me guess you download movies there very often?

No, I don't watch TV or movies. I watch the odd old dvd or tv show from maybe 5 years back and below, but most tv and movies nowadays blow for shit.

I use PB to download rare songs, intrumentals and stuff I would normally not be able to get or haven't heard of.

I was waiting for someone to chime in regarding that comment. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

What if the links pointed to stolen CP?

What do you think would happen?

When google opens a search engine called Google-Pirate dedicated to pirated mp3s and content then yes I'd hope so. I seriously doubt google is going out of their way to cause anything illegal to show up in their search engine. But TPB on the other hand are all about pirated content, hence the name....... The "PIRATE" Bay........

If a parking ballet, set up a deal and handed over the keys to someone's car to a thief, do you think he wouldn't be charged as an accessory to the crime?

That's essentualy what torrent sites do.. They hand over the keys to the theives.

I think it's different, we're talking about untangable items here, data, hardly a car. A car is something that you cannot replace too easily, it's a personal item.

Not that I condone it though.

Still stealing unless the songs are older than 50 years ?

You just implied that crooks can't steal data.

If true, then there is no such thing as identity theft.
The crook doesn't steal your body, he steals your data.

Is there not some sort of law that prohibits the facilitation (enabling) of theft - and those who would somehow profit from it?

Akin to being an accomplice?

Data is considered a tangible item. It is held. Maybe not by you as a person but the hard drive or CD or whatever media you are downloading it to does in fact HOLD it. Tangible in a 21st century kind of way.

People work very hard to produce entertainment and efficiency programs for this planet. Not because they like you, but because they feel people need it or like it, and they want to make MONEY like everyone here does.

When you steal CARS.... BOATS.... DIAMONDS.... DATA you are more more less stealing their hard work and benefitting from it. People that link to it are an accessory to the crime.

If I (I meaning The Pirate Bay, for arguments purposes) pointed out to you that I know where you can go steal a Ferrari (this will be the torrent Grand Theft Auto 4) and the KEYS were inside, doors unlocked (this will be used as the crack that comes along with the torrent which allows you to circumnavigate buying the game and using it illegally) and I drew you a map on how to get there (TPB providing the link), do you not think that there would be a crime involved with accessorizing or aiding a criminal?



In lamens terms, data IS tangible.

Copying is not stealing.

Yeah, it's just plagiarism. :1orglaugh

Copying? Who in the fuck is COPYING anything? How many people actually go to the pirate bay to get back ups of their shit. Umm.... about 3 surfers since the site's inception.

Don't be a dip shit and try to pull some first ammendment bullshit "everybody look at me, i'm a rebel" tactic crap.

The sight is all about THEFT plain and simple. My opinion? No. Fact? Yup :)

It doesn't matter if it's a "tangable" or not.. It has a value placed on it, by it's owner. Just because it's a bunch of 1's & 0's on a computer's hard drive doesn't mean it's any less valuable than a car you can touch.

You're wrong, it's more like a parking valet telling you where they keep all of the keys. Nothing illegal so far, it's when you go to where the keys are and take one that it has become a crime.

The first guy who makes the torrent is the thief. The people downloading from him/her are not thieves, they are just morally fucked people.

Anyway laws are not made to force us to go against our nature, they're made to protect people. Protecting money is something entirely different. :2 cents:

What if the key is the combination to your safe with your life savings in it?

If he set up the deal and handed the thief the keys then he is part of the crime.


Pirate bay sets up the deal by giving you the ability to go to their site and search for the torrents. They then hand the thief the keys by allowing them to download the torrent.

pirate Bay is hosting the torrent files.. They are handing out the keys for the thief's to steal the products.. With out the torrent files no one can download a torrent.

Mm, but I didn't specify what songs. I don't know of anywhere that i can purchase instrumentals of hip hop artists, so really I'm not stealing anything that would have made any money.

You obviously do not understand how torrents work.

The Pirate Bay = Valet
Illegal Files = Car
Torrent File = Map that points to where the keys are kept

All TPB hosts are files with instructions on where to download the illegal files.

OK, once and for all: To steal something means that you cause someone else to physically lose it. If you steal a car the owner no longer has a car... if you use your magic replicating machine to materialize an exact copy of someone's car out of thin air, he or she still has a car and the car manufacturer loses potential profit, by not selling you another car. Naturally, if you make cars, that sucks and you've been cheated... but it still ISN'T "theft" in the traditional sense, because no one can steal something that doesn't exist yet, in this case your potential profit from selling that other car.

It's bad and wrong and we all want it to go away... but please let's not oversimplify the issue by calling it simply "stealing", ok? If it was that clear cut, don't you think it would be better regulated by now? :2 cents:

So the actual musicians who made the instrumentals for the hip hop artist don't get paid.

And DJ's don't pay for instumentals so they can make live mixes.

OK.

Thanks

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So if some one takes a video camera into a movie theater and records a movie, is that stealing or illegal copying?

It is copyright infringement.

It's probably more accurate to say it would be similar to someone giving away something stolen on Craigslist or eBay and then trying to charge the site with a crime. Well, that's assuming it was a Craigslist/eBay type site that specialized in facilitating (free) transactions, between parties, that involve mostly pirated digital goods.

That said TPB has their own trackers which makes the situation a bit more sticky for them. A lot of torrent sites point to 3rd party trackers...

If you want to get anal about it, sure, but Kayne West or whoever produced those beats GOT PAID. In fact, hip hop/rap artists don't bitch about their stuff being thrown out there because it actually helps promote them and drives the creative community. Not everyone is downloading albums would you believe. I think you'll find maybe a small percentage of people are doing this. iTunes is big, Mspace Music is big. the quality of today's music is so dire, cd prices so high that they are sat around wondering why the fuck they aren't doing numbers like 1995, and they are blaming torrents and p2p. People want quality, they don't want to spend $18 on a shitty cd with filler tracks. Why is vinyl blowing up again if people are just stealing all the time? I think the labels blow these numbers up way too much.

Don't see the big deal here.

For all you morons that clearly don't have a clue about this shit.. The artists are being fucked over by the labels. In fact, when music gets distributed via p2p and torrents it helps the artist. It gets there name out there and sells their concerts out, merchandise, etc. You can argue all day about it but it's here to stay, so either the labels and artists need to adopt a clear, concise model or don't. Some artists are and they are doing very well. Sure there are people that just download instead of purchase an album but I don't see how this really hurts anyone, afterall word of mouth is a beautiful thing. Prince gave his last album away for free with a british newspaper, he sold out his concerts and copped something like 16 mill, so when you think about it like that...really nothing to cry about. I haven't seen too many artists crying over it sans Metallica, who were out of touch with reality/fans. :2 cents:

They can't run forever.

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If you understand that you should be able to understand that Piratebay facilitates
copyright infringement and profits from it

Actually, I believe they profit from advertising revenues.

Let me give you the number to this guy I know that sells drugs. Doesn't mean I am responsible if you actually go and buy some.

IPRED (International Property Rights Enforcement Directive) has been passed in Sweden but it doesn?t not affect PB directly. It gives content owners right to get IP's for everybody who is uploading the content.

Probably the most fascist law ever to be passed in Sweden and I doubt it will actually stand for a very long time. Every single youth political party is against it and it is election time very soon. :2 cents:

invalid analogy.

please sue google for letting ppl download warez.

google wont get sued because they dont focus on a selected part of the world, they index everything, so if there are few bad fishes, they are off the hook.

the only shot they have in bringing down piratebay is that its a specialized database of potentially illegitimate files. but that is automatically assuming all torrent files are illegal, which is false. so it wont hold. this is what they are trying to do against isohunt.com

can you really sue a technology for the destruction it causes? for example, guns can kill people, but its the people pulling the triggers, not the guns. i think the same will be for torrent sites, in the end of the day, its people, not the torrent sites, that are trading with each other. torrent sites merely is a guide, just like many other gun shops or brokers out there.