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Sly 12-31-2008 11:43 AM

New study shows heart attacks dropped 41% in no smoking community
 
This is pretty crazy...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081231/...king_ban_heart

gornyhuy 12-31-2008 11:48 AM

Those are really dramatic results... crazy stuff indeed!

Does weed count as smoke?

CurrentlySober 12-31-2008 11:49 AM

I still smoke but have cut down from 40+ a day to about 10 in the last year...

Holly 12-31-2008 12:09 PM

I'm a big believer in "do whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesn't hassle me" but I often wonder why the government forces me to wear a fucking seat belt for my own good, but doesn't give two shits if I smoke cigarettes.

Alcohol can be used moderately with little to no health risks, but there is no "acceptable" use for cigarettes. It's just bad for you and anyone around you, so it's amazing to me that we keep churning out and selling something that we know is so highly carcinogenic. And yes, I know why we do it, but it definitely gives you something to think about.

And for the record- this is not a smoking rant. I honestly don't give a shit if anyone smokes. I buy them for my grandmother every month.

AaronM 12-31-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Holly (Post 15266423)
And for the record- this is not a smoking rant. I honestly don't give a shit if anyone smokes. I buy them for my grandmother every month.



Trying to speed up that inheritance? :winkwink:

Michaelious 12-31-2008 12:12 PM

Makes perfect sense to me

Sly 12-31-2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly (Post 15266423)
I'm a big believer in "do whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesn't hassle me" but I often wonder why the government forces me to wear a fucking seat belt for my own good, but doesn't give two shits if I smoke cigarettes.

Alcohol can be used moderately with little to no health risks, but there is no "acceptable" use for cigarettes. It's just bad for you and anyone around you, so it's amazing to me that we keep churning out and selling something that we know is so highly carcinogenic. And yes, I know why we do it, but it definitely gives you something to think about.

And for the record- this is not a smoking rant. I honestly don't give a shit if anyone smokes. I buy them for my grandmother every month.

I don't really like a lot of federal law and I definitely do not like the idea of the government telling people what they can and cannot do... but the smoking argument brings up a lot of interesting points. Studies like this, assuming they are fully accurate, show that smoking is a health hazard and it impacts every one of us. Particularly when these smokers (and even non-smokers) get sick later on in life and need to utilize Medicare and Medicaid, two programs on the brink of collapse, which taxpayers are paying for.

For a smoker to say that "it isn't your business!" is not really true, it's everyone's business when that person is no longer able to pay for their health expenses caused by smoking.

brassmonkey 12-31-2008 01:06 PM

my freakin neighbors smoke fukers

sandman! 12-31-2008 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 15266491)
I don't really like a lot of federal law and I definitely do not like the idea of the government telling people what they can and cannot do... but the smoking argument brings up a lot of interesting points. Studies like this, assuming they are fully accurate, show that smoking is a health hazard and it impacts every one of us. Particularly when these smokers (and even non-smokers) get sick later on in life and need to utilize Medicare and Medicaid, two programs on the brink of collapse, which taxpayers are paying for.

For a smoker to say that "it isn't your business!" is not really true, it's everyone's business when that person is no longer able to pay for their health expenses caused by smoking.

Have you ever read a history book ?

Tobacco was a major crop in the beginning days of this country good or bad.


"Tobacco was the first crop grown for money in North America. In 1612 the settlers of the first American colony in Jamestown, Virginia grew tobacco as a cash crop. It was their main source of money. Other cash crops were corn, cotton, wheat, sugar, and soya beans. Tobacco helped pay for the American Revolution against England. Also, the first President of the U.S. grew tobacco."

http://lincs.worlded.org/docs/tobacc...istory_of.html

seeandsee 12-31-2008 01:52 PM

Happy New Year for smokers

Sly 12-31-2008 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman! (Post 15266804)
Have you ever read a history book ?

Tobacco was a major crop in the beginning days of this country good or bad.


"Tobacco was the first crop grown for money in North America. In 1612 the settlers of the first American colony in Jamestown, Virginia grew tobacco as a cash crop. It was their main source of money. Other cash crops were corn, cotton, wheat, sugar, and soya beans. Tobacco helped pay for the American Revolution against England. Also, the first President of the U.S. grew tobacco."

http://lincs.worlded.org/docs/tobacc...istory_of.html

And what does that have to do with the current state of things? We also had slaves 200 years ago... and?

Yes, by the way, I have read history books and I know the history of tobacco. Thank you for your infinite wisdom.

Donfoolio 12-31-2008 01:54 PM

Fuck Smoking! Quit that shit for new years if it helps people! :321GFY

beemk 12-31-2008 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman! (Post 15266804)
Have you ever read a history book ?

Tobacco was a major crop in the beginning days of this country good or bad.


"Tobacco was the first crop grown for money in North America. In 1612 the settlers of the first American colony in Jamestown, Virginia grew tobacco as a cash crop. It was their main source of money. Other cash crops were corn, cotton, wheat, sugar, and soya beans. Tobacco helped pay for the American Revolution against England. Also, the first President of the U.S. grew tobacco."

http://lincs.worlded.org/docs/tobacc...istory_of.html

the sale of crack rock put food on a bunch of families in the ghettos table, that doesnt make crack good for the country.

sandman! 12-31-2008 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 15266820)
And what does that have to do with the current state of things? We also had slaves 200 years ago... and?

Yes, by the way, I have read history books and I know the history of tobacco. Thank you for your infinite wisdom.

Slavery was not a choice smoking is i dont see what the 2 have to do with each other.

Sly 12-31-2008 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman! (Post 15266834)
Slavery was not a choice smoking is i dont see what the 2 have to do with each other.

You made the argument that since tobacco was used as a cash crop to pay for wars several hundred years ago that we should just leave it be.

Sly 12-31-2008 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman! (Post 15266834)
Slavery was not a choice smoking is i dont see what the 2 have to do with each other.

You know I honestly don't care who smokes and I do not support the banning of smoking in private establishments... but you seem to be ignoring the whole concept of this study. You don't think it presents some interesting points?

Smoking causes heart attacks. Are you arguing that?

undersoul 12-31-2008 02:02 PM

i hate smoking. i can't stand being around it for even a few minutes.

sandman! 12-31-2008 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 15266848)
You know I honestly don't care who smokes and I do not support the banning of smoking in private establishments... but you seem to be ignoring the whole concept of this study. You don't think it presents some interesting points?

Smoking causes heart attacks. Are you arguing that?

i was assuming you were one of the anti smoking Nazi's, article is interesting tho might be time to put quiting smoking on my new years list :)

GregE 12-31-2008 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 15266432)
Trying to speed up that inheritance? :winkwink:

More like ensuring that he don't get disinherited.

Lifelong smokers can get a little cranky when they run out of cigarettes :2 cents:


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