something about China
 

i saw a thread about China last week that telling you guys
most chinese have no credit card ,i have to say something about this: there are many kinds of credit cards in china and they are pretty common to Chinese,maybe some are not accounting in US currency(in China currency"RMB"),but i know there are
at least two kinds of cards accounting in US currency:

A.GreatWall International credit card (Visa---Bank of China)

B.Peony card (Mastercard)

and almost every Chinese Bank has their own cards(most of them are MasterC group)

maybe someone will say:"China is a damn communism country,it's illegal to provide
porn stuff in China!!!" yeah, that is true: it's illegal for a entertainment company located in China
to provide porn stuff for Chinese,but in China:no legal terms say that is not legal for a person
to surf the porn site in a private area,of course i know some of them do pay 39.95/month to be a
member of a paysite,hehehe----by using GreatWall International credit card.

as everyone knows: almost all the urban families has at least on PC in China, 100% have internet connection
(at least they has a dialup connection---that means dialer will sell out there,right?)15%--20% families in major
city of China have ADSL(maybe the broadband based dialer will sell,LOL)

you guys must have some problem with your Chinese traffic(you will yell:"that is waste of time, the shitload that never
converts!!!!"LOL---maybe some of you just send them to bustcash.com,but still got low conversion...damn)
to be a pro...perhaps we should provide some more billing ways to the Chinese surfers,over 200 million people live in cities
there must be some one will pay for porn!if you can get a Chinese bank account(personal account is good enough),and billingthem with chinese debit card(China merchant Bank)----see,i'm sure you'll get money from them faster than the western surfers.

BTW,i'm a Chinese who live in Shanghai and finished my education here in Beijing,i am an ordinary chinese has
five kinds of CC(GreatWall International credit card,GreatWall credit card<rmb> Peony cars, mastercard and American Express card)
anyway, what i want to say is:it's common,hehe:)

welkum to my board mate

i think this an adult webmaster board hehe

thanx:)

The problem with Chinese traffic is not that it doesn't convert, it's that once you get a site that they are interested in the amount of problems you have to deal with in terms of stolen content and server attacks dwarfs any profits you might make.

Go to the local nightmarket- it's not exactly a culture that believes in intellectual property. Once there is a really hot site that a lot of Chinese want to get into don't expect cash- expect every Chinese script kiddie on the continent to go to town on your server. If any actually pay it will only be long enough to rip down the whole site and burn it to CD for all their friends- where shortly thereafter it will be found for sale at all the local computer markets (this happened to me).

Yes, Chinese traffic will convert but there is just so much free and stolen content available to them that the potential number of paying customers is fairly low and the fraud rate really high. The better your conversion gets the more server attacks and stolen content issues you will have to deal with. These days I just banned all of Korea and China from my servers. It cost me a couple of bucks the first few months but in terms of reduced server load on the anti-hacking scripts and reduced infringement issues I saved a lot of money in the long term. Maybe in a few more months I'll give them another go but right now unless you are totally dedicated to managing it Chinese traffic is just not worth the hassles.

yup...you 're damn right:

copyright of the content and hackers are big problem in China!
(my sms site was just hacked these days:feels-hot )

but also that bad in Korea?:(

Ni Hao! Cao Ni!

Well I don't what Shanghai is like, but with my experiances with
ShenZhen, NanNing, NanJing, Harbin ...etc, 95% of the people
with net access do ALL their transactions in cash. Hell there where
days I'd be walking around DongMen in ShenZhen with 20,000RMB
in my pocket because NOBODY accepted credit cards except the
official tourist hotels. In 8 months of living in ShenZhen last year,
the ONLY thing I did with my credit card was get a cash advance
from the Bank of China.

LOL,shenzhen is only a small city in Southern China:Graucho

BTW, what do you mean by "Cao Ni"???? i speak Chinese,but i don't know that word,LOL (may be you mean "F*CK YOU"? uh?)
muahahahahaha,that should be Cao Ni Ma,:1orglaugh

Korea is a ROYAL pain. All Broadband and tons of open proxies so they just sit there all day and pound on you.

The thing with China is half the country has a Doctorate in Computer Science, and outside the big cities they don't make enough a month to buy a Happy Meal. So it's actually cost effective for them to sit around writing scripts to get around a specific sites security.

There is an interesting pattern though, Chinese guys send tons of mail asking why we do this and what must our parents think (I and most of my models are Chinese). I think the market is ripe for a "Chinese Girls Gone Astray!" site. I can see it now- "They don't care what their parents think!" "They never wash the floor and always wash their hair on New Years!". Well, whatever but the Chinese seem fascinated by the whole shame/traditional girl gone bad thing. In Cantonese the expression is Say Noy Bao which is sort of like "Death Daughter". I think part of selling to the Chinese will be culture specific marketing.

Well if you translate it exactly, "zao ni ma" is "Fuck your mother".
"Go Fuck Yourself" would be then: Qu zao ni ziji!:winkwink:

Sorry, ShenZhen has it's own mix of mandarin, cantonese, german, french
and english as a dialect. Never heard a Ma at the end. Would that
be the Ma for curse? The board custom of 'Go Fuck Yourself' was
a bit much for my swearing skills in pinyin.:winkwink:
All my swearing was learned between Pub88 in DongMen ShenZhen
and Mongkok Hong Kong. (Roomed with the owner)

I just love the Chinese flair for under statement, 'only a small city'
with 30 million people registered in the zone!

Here's a pic standing beside the building in DongMen where Pub88
is located, looking at my apartment. Behind is the ShenZhen
stock exchange.

http://www.iamlazy.com/8.jpg

Korea seems to always be the source of hacking. I can still recall a particular Korean password trading site that caused a lot of people problems.


Those narrower and more tightly focussed niches are becoming ever more important, and I think that idea would make for a huge site - with Western guys, too, of course. :winkwink:

Western guys seem to go more for traditional submissive Asian girls corrupted by them personally I think, or at the other end Asian girls protected by Western guys from an abusive patriarchal society (I took her away from that arranged marriage and she gave me a BJ kind of thing). One of the biggest problems with ethnic slur marketing is that almost all your customers think they are Asian (no matter how White they might be) so it tends to piss them off.

There's a longstanding architype in Chinese literature about women gone astray through circumstance, sort of "how low will they go- but wait! In the next chapter she get's leprosy!".

Running a succesfull asian site means you have to accept two things.

Every guy in Korea is going to try to get in for free. Forget about trying to accept Korean bank cards as a solution, in fact it is probably not wise to even have the card logos on your site or do anything to get their attention. Just block 210. and 211.

Secondly if you have unique content it will be promptly stolen by other asian site webmasters. Even if you have watermarked it.

I have found that the submissive schoolgirl thing is still selling, but generally people want to see more of the modern Ego type girls. I like the idea of the shamed Chinese girl site "See Chinese teens fail their exams and enter a life of shame!". But the westerners who actually are your clients will just scratch their heads at that.

Tell me about it. Brad, the owner of R-A-W.com the Asian Webmaster forum was stealing my content. His defense? He didn't know it was mine when he downloaded it from the free sites he normally steals from to keep his sites updated. The funny thing is that theft is the norm in the Asian niche so he was actually posting this on a public forum! On legal advice he went back and deleted the posts and blocked me from the forum the next day but it was still pretty wild.