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jmcb420 12-07-2008 01:26 PM

Anyone like to play chess? Check this out.
 
Not at all an important topic, but sometimes I play chess VS. this program: http://www.chess.com/play/computer.html
no download or anything. If you like a good game, this thing will give you one.
I play chess all the time vs my friends when we're hanging out and such, and I haven't lost in years. This program kicks my ass time after time. To my defence I have beaten it a few times, but i've had to have lost to it a few hundred times by now.
Good luck, let me know how you do.

aico 12-07-2008 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcb420 (Post 15158745)
Not at all an important topic, but sometimes I play chess VS. this program: http://www.chess.com/play/computer.html
no download or anything. If you like a good game, this thing will give you one.
I play chess all the time vs my friends when we're hanging out and such, and I haven't lost in years. This program kicks my ass time after time. To my defence I have beaten it a few times, but i've had to have lost to it a few hundred times by now.
Good luck, let me know how you do.

Thanks, forwarding this to Sarah Connor now.

jmcb420 12-07-2008 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 15158750)
Thanks, forwarding this to Sarah Connor now.

:1orglaugh good one.

polish_aristocrat 12-07-2008 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcb420 (Post 15158745)
sometimes I play chess VS. this program: http://www.chess.com/play/computer.html
no download or anything. If you like a good game, this thing will give you one

great! haven't played in a few years but always liked it

never played against a computer yet

moeloubani 12-07-2008 01:37 PM

computers > humans when it comes to chess :(

jmcb420 12-07-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 15158782)
never played against a computer yet

I have had computer games and such for chess in the past, but only one of them was like this. It can be beat but you have to be damn near perfect.
honestly I'de have to say its beaten me 495 out of 500 games.
Scary smart that thing is. Good luck and have fun.

The Duck 12-07-2008 01:42 PM

I enjoy a good game of chess once or twice a year.

polish_aristocrat 12-07-2008 01:43 PM

I never bothered to buy a computer game (or get a free one) with chess heh

but this requires no download etc so its a huge advantage.. I already tried it out
at what level do you play there? I see "Easy" "medium" and "hard"

jmcb420 12-07-2008 01:49 PM

I play the hard level, but im almost convinced that there is no difference between easy and hard, either way its almost impossible to win.
How did you do?

Violetta 12-07-2008 01:58 PM

nice... thanks for sharing!

bobby666 12-07-2008 02:08 PM

it's playing too fast for me

BusterBunny 12-07-2008 02:08 PM

just beat it on easy ;) took 5 trys tho

jmcb420 12-07-2008 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny (Post 15158925)
just beat it on easy ;) took 5 trys tho

thats pretty impressive, imho:thumbsup

BusterBunny 12-07-2008 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcb420 (Post 15158975)
thats pretty impressive, imho:thumbsup

game runs big in the family....my claim to fame is, i once tied a guy that tied gary kasparov...

Drake 12-07-2008 02:31 PM

I play Chessmaster. It came with Vista on my new computer. I play at its highest setting and haven't beaten it yet - not sure if I can.

I started to think I was retarded but I did some research and learned that computers regularily beat the best chess masters nowadays.

leek 12-07-2008 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcb420 (Post 15158745)
I play chess all the time vs my friends when we're hanging out and such, and I haven't lost in years.

If you like to play frequently, get at me on freechess.org. A friend of mine (who is also on this board) turned me on to it and I play once or twice a night.

jmcb420 12-07-2008 02:38 PM

sounds sweet, leek.
You can also sign up play others at that site for free, but i dont like to play other people on there because it seems you never actualy get to finish a game. People take breaks then forget.
But i'll check that site out, i love to play.

leek 12-07-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcb420 (Post 15159015)
sounds sweet, leek.
You can also sign up play others at that site for free, but i dont like to play other people on there because it seems you never actualy get to finish a game. People take breaks then forget.
But i'll check that site out, i love to play.

Yeah, I've played on Chess.com but I just really enjoy playing on FICS a lot more. If you sign up, my alias is 'leeked', so add me to your notify list.

beta-tester 12-07-2008 03:13 PM

BUSTED :pimp
(I am the black one)

http://www.pixudo.com/files/manca/de...9_original.png

jmcb420 12-07-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by beta-tester (Post 15159120)

well played!:thumbsup

leek 12-07-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by beta-tester (Post 15159120)

Here is me mating it in under 20 moves:
http://bayimg.com/image/cameiaabf.jpg

jmcb420 12-07-2008 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by leek (Post 15159203)
Here is me mating it in under 20 moves:
http://bayimg.com/image/cameiaabf.jpg

That is out-and-out a killer finish there, leek.
I'll have to play you sometime. If you can do that, I can learn a thing or two from you. Nice screenshot, man:thumbsup

dig420 12-07-2008 04:22 PM

On the default easy setting it's very easy to beat

The Usual Suspect 12-07-2008 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcb420 (Post 15158840)
I play the hard level, but im almost convinced that there is no difference between easy and hard, either way its almost impossible to win.
How did you do?

I played on easy and beated him, and I'm not really that good in chess.

woj 12-07-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 15158995)
I play Chessmaster. It came with Vista on my new computer. I play at its highest setting and haven't beaten it yet - not sure if I can.

I started to think I was retarded but I did some research and learned that computers regularily beat the best chess masters nowadays.

chessmaster is a great game, and it's only like $10 if you shop around a little, great value if you are into chess... :thumbsup

Nicky 12-07-2008 05:48 PM

Took him on the first try actually, gonna try hard now.

http://www.nudecelebrityblog.com/chess.JPG

Socks 12-07-2008 06:44 PM

I am a chess player, and if you've *ever* beaten that chess.com game, then it's not very difficult at all. It's probably no more than a 1400-1500 real life rating. The top grandmasters are rated in the 2700-2900 range, and on ICC some people are well over 3,000.

Every 100 points is a pretty large difference in skill level, and 200 points is HUGE. So a 1500 player could beat an 1700 player sometimes, but very rarely. A 1500 player would have little to no chance against a 1900+ player. Maybe 1 out of 100 games in a long game, and a little more in a short game where you can clock them or they make a blunder. A 2000 rated played has NO chance against a 2300 player. A 2300 player is probably a Master or International Master (IM) but would have very little chance against a 2500+ Grandmaster. In fact the GM could make silly non-sensical moves to begin the game and still beat the IM handily.

If you want to improve your chess game, never go back to chess.com, and visit playchess.org (FICS) which is a free server.. Use the Babaschess program (free download) it's quite good.

If you really want to get into it, the ICC (Internet Chess Club) I think chessclub.com, they charge $50 a year for an account, but it's much better. You can watch real grandmasters play all the time, take lessons from better players, play tournaments, view lectures, etc etc. There are also MANY computer accounts that play, and they're denoted with "(C)" so you know who they are. They have varied strengths too.

If you played a 2200+ computer account, you would never, ever win a game. Ever. And some of the computers are above 3,000 rating level. The computer could have 2 minutes to play its game, and you could have infinite time, and you would still never win a game. If you lose a pawn, or even have any positional disadvantage at any point of the game, and you should resign immediately. They're just that good.

Anyways not to discourage you, that's the beauty of chess! You will never stop learning.

aico 12-07-2008 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Usual Suspect (Post 15159571)
I played on easy and beated him, and I'm not really that good in chess.

or English

BusterBunny 12-07-2008 06:49 PM

disgrace to the family
 
wow i feel like a loser now i need to play more than once a year most of you own me:(

dig420 12-07-2008 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 15159809)
I am a chess player, and if you've *ever* beaten that chess.com game, then it's not very difficult at all. It's probably no more than a 1400-1500 real life rating. The top grandmasters are rated in the 2700-2900 range, and on ICC some people are well over 3,000.

Every 100 points is a pretty large difference in skill level, and 200 points is HUGE. So a 1500 player could beat an 1700 player sometimes, but very rarely. A 1500 player would have little to no chance against a 1900+ player. Maybe 1 out of 100 games in a long game, and a little more in a short game where you can clock them or they make a blunder. A 2000 rated played has NO chance against a 2300 player. A 2300 player is probably a Master or International Master (IM) but would have very little chance against a 2500+ Grandmaster. In fact the GM could make silly non-sensical moves to begin the game and still beat the IM handily.

If you want to improve your chess game, never go back to chess.com, and visit playchess.org (FICS) which is a free server.. Use the Babaschess program (free download) it's quite good.

If you really want to get into it, the ICC (Internet Chess Club) I think chessclub.com, they charge $50 a year for an account, but it's much better. You can watch real grandmasters play all the time, take lessons from better players, play tournaments, view lectures, etc etc. There are also MANY computer accounts that play, and they're denoted with "(C)" so you know who they are. They have varied strengths too.

If you played a 2200+ computer account, you would never, ever win a game. Ever. And some of the computers are above 3,000 rating level. The computer could have 2 minutes to play its game, and you could have infinite time, and you would still never win a game. If you lose a pawn, or even have any positional disadvantage at any point of the game, and you should resign immediately. They're just that good.

Anyways not to discourage you, that's the beauty of chess! You will never stop learning.

My understanding is that the best players use Fritz. I personally use Chessmaster since I have no interest or business playing a master. Also, I don't think ANYONE could totally give up the opening game to an IM and be assured of victory, not even a GM. There are some positions that you just can't get back from.

Socks 12-07-2008 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 15159869)
My understanding is that the best players use Fritz. I personally use Chessmaster since I have no interest or business playing a master. Also, I don't think ANYONE could totally give up the opening game to an IM and be assured of victory, not even a GM. There are some positions that you just can't get back from.

hehe, I thought the same, until I saw Nakamura when he was I think 17 years old beat an international master 15 games in a row on ICC, and some of the games he started by moving both his rook pawns up 2 spots... Kid is crazy good.. But mind you they're fast games, probably 3 minutes a side.. But they make it seem like an eternity sometimes. You're right though, in a real 1.5 hour per side tournament game, they'd never get away with it. :)

So you're pretty much on the right track with the software. Fritz is an engine, like Crafty, Junior, Hiarcs, Shredder, Rybka, etc. The engine is just the brain inside the game, all it does is think. The interface, features and options are from a program called Chessbase. When you get Fritz, Junior or any of the other above engines, you'll get a basic version of Chessbase to play in. If you own two engines, you just have the same program, but with 2 engines you can load. They think differently, so you'll get different analysis from them. Crafty is free, so it's in there too. I used to run a Crafty computer on Chess.net back in the day, I had a PC that would just sit there and play people all day, and I could watch or just let it play, etc. :)

For the serious player, it's really cool to have the full version of Chessbase, which is pretty expensive, and then the engine of your choice. The full version is waaaay more advanced, and if you get the upgrades to it, it's a fuckin monster. One of the biggest most complex computer programs around I'm sure. Player databases, decades and decades of games from top tournaments, stats on all those games, custom opening books, you can even have it build an opening book from your database of games, up to move 8 let's say.

Chessmaster is good for the casual player, but it leaves so much of the game out of it. I don't think it's the best way to go if you really like the game and spend time with it. Maybe you'll never beat Chessmaster, but whatever, that's not the point. You can set Fritz to play as strongly as you play, and it will learn over the games you play against it to adapt its strength to yours too.

But the real advantage is the learning you can do, in a fun way that's not reading a book etc. You can just pick an opening for example and look through the tree of what moves players about 2500 make... Based on the database of the 4,000,000 games that comes with the mega database.

Not cheap though, you have to be into it. There's also educational addons, for like $25-30euros, teaching you about various parts of the game from grandmasters. You just need Fritz for those. Honestly if you tried Fritz, you wouldn't go back, it IS chessbase too, just a dumbed down version. You can analyze, setup matches from positions between engines, all that.. It's like 75% of the way there.

My computers have spent many a night analyzing the games I've played, thinking for 30 minutes per move. It's cool to see what you should have done and why, or where you left yourself open to a combination and didn't notice, etc. I don't think I ever would have done any of that with Chessmaster (hell, anyone remember Battle Chess for Amiga? hehe)

Fritz:

http://www.chessbase.com/shop/produc...58&user=&coin=

Chessbase 10 full:

http://www.chessbase.com/shop/produc...93&user=&coin=

The database thing I was talking about, same site as above:

Mega Database 2009
The exclusive annotated database. Contains more than 4 millions games from 1560 to 2008 in the highest ChessBase quality standard. 62,000 games contain commentary from top players, with ChessBase opening classification with more than 100,000 key positions, direct access to players, tournaments, middlegame themes, endgames. The largest topclass annotated database in the world. The most recent games of the database are from the middle of November 2008. Mega 2009 also features a new edition of the playerbase. As usual, this is where most of the work was done. As the player index now contains already more than 220,000 entries, it made sense to use an adapted playerbase which includes about 248,000 names. Doing this, the photo database was extended as well to contain 31,000 pictures now.

BusterBunny 12-07-2008 10:30 PM

in 12...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-5/1184082/in12.jpg

i felt redeemed til i realized it was on easy:disgust

dig420 12-08-2008 12:19 AM

I'm probably around 1400. It's tough to muster the discipline to teach yourself to be significantly better when you don't really have anyone to play with. I played on the chess team in high school (yes I'm a nerd) and always loved the game but it would take so much effort and time to get better it's hardly worth it.

In a way, it's more fun not to have every opening memorized to 20 moves out, more of an adventure every time you play lol... I have a pretty good understanding of the principles behind the opening moves and that usually carrys me through to a decent position in the middle game.

darksoul 12-08-2008 12:34 AM

I play on gameknot.com regularly. Its cool for people that don't a lot of time, as you can set your own time per move. Usually 3 days.

d-null 12-08-2008 12:42 AM

to take a 1400 player to become a 2000 player, how much of the game is memorization vs. how much of the game is short term analytical ability improvement??

raven1083 12-08-2008 01:36 AM

great one thanks for additional info

PseudoPrime 12-08-2008 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 15159809)

If you want to improve your chess game, never go back to chess.com, and visit playchess.org (FICS) which is a free server.. Use the Babaschess program (free download) it's quite good.

Hey Socks... What's your FICS handle?

tranza 12-08-2008 07:16 AM

I like chess...thanks for the link!

J3ss3Jam3s 12-08-2008 07:46 AM

Not a bad. I like it thanks

polish_aristocrat 12-08-2008 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 15159809)
I am a chess player, and if you've *ever* beaten that chess.com game, then it's not very difficult at all. It's probably no more than a 1400-1500 real life rating. The top grandmasters are rated in the 2700-2900 range, and on ICC some people are well over 3,000.

Every 100 points is a pretty large difference in skill level, and 200 points is HUGE. So a 1500 player could beat an 1700 player sometimes, but very rarely. A 1500 player would have little to no chance against a 1900+ player. Maybe 1 out of 100 games in a long game, and a little more in a short game where you can clock them or they make a blunder. A 2000 rated played has NO chance against a 2300 player. A 2300 player is probably a Master or International Master (IM) but would have very little chance against a 2500+ Grandmaster. In fact the GM could make silly non-sensical moves to begin the game and still beat the IM handily.

If you want to improve your chess game, never go back to chess.com, and visit playchess.org (FICS) which is a free server.. Use the Babaschess program (free download) it's quite good.

If you really want to get into it, the ICC (Internet Chess Club) I think chessclub.com, they charge $50 a year for an account, but it's much better. You can watch real grandmasters play all the time, take lessons from better players, play tournaments, view lectures, etc etc. There are also MANY computer accounts that play, and they're denoted with "(C)" so you know who they are. They have varied strengths too.

If you played a 2200+ computer account, you would never, ever win a game. Ever. And some of the computers are above 3,000 rating level. The computer could have 2 minutes to play its game, and you could have infinite time, and you would still never win a game. If you lose a pawn, or even have any positional disadvantage at any point of the game, and you should resign immediately. They're just that good.

Anyways not to discourage you, that's the beauty of chess! You will never stop learning.

great post Socks, very informative

CDSmith 12-13-2008 02:14 PM

I had no idea there were so many chess players on GFY.

Good link, I haven't played in several years but used to play all the time. I'm a bit rusty but managed a win first try on easy...


http://members.shaw.ca/cyberdogs/pics/checkmate01.jpg

Made some frivolous moves early on, then had to play defense for a while. Once I went back on the attack though it was go time.

Will have to try it on harder modes.

Kudles 12-13-2008 03:38 PM

I have never played before

Pim(P) 12-13-2008 03:47 PM

chess is fun.. have not played it serious in a long time though. It's too time consuming for me.

Once in a while I play a game at instantchess.com

Dagwolf 12-13-2008 04:10 PM

Nice :D I had a good game with it.... goofed once and it was over.


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