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dirtyone 11-08-2002 09:56 PM

Music and copyright issues questions
 
Does anyone have any experience with obtaining license to use music on a website? I have a client that wants a popular song for the flash intro on their website and other than contacting the record company directly I have no idea what?s involved. Anyone ever had to deal with this issue before? I am more interested in what it cost more than anything.

m0rph3us 11-08-2002 10:02 PM

lots and lots and lots of money. Unless you are Toyota, dont' expect to license very popular music.

Try going to mp3.com and licenses some smaller needy artists. There's some awesome stuff there and you can probably get licenses for nickels compared to what you'd pay for big songs

dirtyone 11-08-2002 10:04 PM

Thanks m0rph3us... thats what I was afraind you were going to say. I will go check out mp3.com thought. I had not thought of that. :thumbsup

Pornwolf 11-08-2002 10:07 PM

I know this isn't the most popular thing to say but I would just use the music you want until a cease and decist order comes from the publishing company. They aren't anywhere near as thorough as APIC.

If you wanna go the legal way go to http://www.ascap.com or http://www.bmi.com . Almost all of popular music is represented by one of these two companies so you can find what you need and put in a request at these sites.

evildick 11-08-2002 10:08 PM

If you don't need vocals pick up a copy of Acid Music Creator. You can throw together some good sounding shit for flash sites with that in no time.

drunkdollars 11-08-2002 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us
lots and lots and lots of money. Unless you are Toyota, dont' expect to license very popular music.

Try going to mp3.com and licenses some smaller needy artists. There's some awesome stuff there and you can probably get licenses for nickels compared to what you'd pay for big songs


You hit the nail on the head :)

DearAbby 11-08-2002 10:23 PM

If you only use a section of the song, say a 30 sec bit, then you do not have to worry about copyright violations.

Copyright for audio only covers the full version of a recording.

drunkdollars 11-08-2002 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DearAbby
If you only use a section of the song, say a 30 sec bit, then you do not have to worry about copyright violations.

Copyright for audio only covers the full version of a recording.


Abby can you show me the law on that? I have heard 3 seconds 8 seconds etc and personally i dont think 30 seconds will fly..

Look at tv comercials.. they pay and they use clips of the song not the whole thing

Pornwolf 11-08-2002 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DearAbby
If you only use a section of the song, say a 30 sec bit, then you do not have to worry about copyright violations.

Copyright for audio only covers the full version of a recording.

If this was the case Puff Daddy wouldn't have to pay some old guys big bucks for every song he samples(for every one of his songs).

Mutt 11-08-2002 10:42 PM

ya know i always wonder about this. I listen to radio stations, and some of them on their local commercials, the type like Gino's Pizza and Subs or Louie's Transmission Repair, they'll have
famous songs playing under the guy reading the ad copy. I'm talking really famous popular songs. No way in hell have these local radio stations paid to use these songs but they still do it.
I'm amazed they don't get caught.

UnseenWorld 11-08-2002 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drunkdollars



Abby can you show me the law on that? I have heard 3 seconds 8 seconds etc and personally i dont think 30 seconds will fly..

Look at tv comercials.. they pay and they use clips of the song not the whole thing

Yeah, that sounds like he's saying if someone crops one of my photos a bit, I don't own iit anymore. I rather doubt that.

Pornwolf 11-08-2002 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
ya know i always wonder about this. I listen to radio stations, and some of them on their local commercials, the type like Gino's Pizza and Subs or Louie's Transmission Repair, they'll have
famous songs playing under the guy reading the ad copy. I'm talking really famous popular songs. No way in hell have these local radio stations paid to use these songs but they still do it.
I'm amazed they don't get caught.

In most cases they let radio stations get away with this because they already pay a blanket fee to the publishers. When you hear the music you know that the voices on top are normally station employees reading the commercial copy.

When an outside company cuts a commercial they sometimes pay the publishers but normally outside companies don't use popular music. They get special music made for the commercial.

DearAbby 11-08-2002 10:47 PM

Obviously you guys have never read Section 1207 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

drunkdollars 11-08-2002 10:49 PM

Post it Abbey

Pornwolf 11-08-2002 10:49 PM

Nope. What's it say?

DearAbby 11-08-2002 10:56 PM

www.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf

Morgan 01-15-2003 07:43 PM

Does this mean if you have music playing in the background of a video your shooting, it needs to be licensed? Or does it only need to be licensed if you add the music to the video after its shot?

Scootermuze 01-15-2003 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
Does this mean if you have music playing in the background of a video your shooting, it needs to be licensed? Or does it only need to be licensed if you add the music to the video after its shot?
If it can be heard, and you publish the video, then it needs to be licensed.

Scootermuze 01-15-2003 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drunkdollars



Abby can you show me the law on that? I have heard 3 seconds 8 seconds etc and personally i dont think 30 seconds will fly..

Look at tv comercials.. they pay and they use clips of the song not the whole thing

I believe it's 8 bars max.


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