Would exotic art sell?
 

The hubby and I were having a discussion about art last night, and the topic of my nekkid women came up. I might not be able to draw anything else (like men) very well, but I'm a decent hand at nekkid women. Is there a market for this kind of stuff? Soft or hardcore?

I don't have anything up at the moment (Lack of scanner) but I'm playing around with the gimp. Please give me some feedback, Id really appreciate it (and I'd rather not waste my time if its a hopeless endeavor.):thumbsup

There is a pretty big market for this. Just woke up, so no URL jumps to mind, but there are lots of erotic art rings out there. If you create your own erotic art, there is a ton of crossover potential-- you can do pics inspired by paysites with personality, get nice links back. People like it when artists are doing stuff of them.

I'm better at working with "models" anyway (If I have an image or something to look at for reference, Im laughing!)

If anyone could be as so kind to point me into the right direction, spout it out! I'm interested in doing my "fair" share of "work". ((Yes.. thats right, PAY me for something thatsa HOBBY!)

And who knows, I got a tablet on the line, If I can manage to get into a ring and get sales, or even find someone who wants art done for their site, I migth even get that tablet and scanner set my husband was bribing me with last night. (Cheap shot, husband. I hope you read this.)

Thanks y'all! :thumbsup

i love the erotic black and white pictures and stuff a little different to regular porn, BUT saying that i think that type of stuff only appeals because i work with porn all day

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Yeh, there is a collectors market for erotic art and some very talented artists out there that do it and some very rich people that will pay a premium for it. I was visiting a porn video company, can't remember the name now, but they had the walls loaded with erotic artworks. They really caught your eye. :winkwink:

Well to say the least, I'm going to go on a "buy me a scanner" campaign against my hubby. Maybe he'll snatch me one as alate christmas present.

Hmm.. I'll definitely keep that in mind... After I finish playing with the gimp and nekkid women and poses... I may sucketh (okay, not completely) at mouse art, but practice makes perfect.

Good erotica art sells

Check out: http://www.eolivia.com/

The Betty Page stuff kicks ass :thumbsup

Holy hell. I'd give an arm and a leg to have a talk with that artist. Beautiful work.

As a painter myself -- I can tell you that usually your work will sell or it won't... I know several excellent artists that I respect but they have a very hard time selling anything... Myself I find it pretty easy to sell most everything I paint... subject matter, style, audience, it's all kindof a calculated gamble -- will people w/ $$$ be drawn to your shit...? You will only know through experience.

If I was you,

Don't bother w/ small shit, scanners and tablets... unless you want to make little money -- you can't compete w/ comics type people that draw shit out of their head in a few minutes that will make your models look like poo... Small work = shy artist = no confidence because you suck or have no training generally... That's a huge obstacle for most new artists -- scale.

Digital will never be worth as much. Reason is you lose the detail no matter what the resolution, you can never match real media that has texture, volume, surface properties... this goes along w/ substance... If you are painting on store bought canvases -- chances are 1. you won't be taken seriously 2. your paintings won't have unique proportions 3. you have no substance there -- as the store bought canvases are light, flimsy, thin... better off building your own stretchers... then when you have a final product -- you have a real solid object on the wall... also you would be wise to be aware of the properties of your paint -- there's stuff to worry about like mildew, color fading, etc. etc... also make sure your construction is solid -- otherwise your canvas will sag on the wall -- or your wood may warp -- or your fabric may not be tight enough after paint is applied -- you have a defective product.

As for frames -- most serious artists don't sell w/ frames -- and paintings should not be displayed w/ frames most of the time... leave it to bad art museums to add loud frames to masterpieces... a painting should have minimal framing -- the painting should be the focus... if you notice the frame than it shouldn't be there. Many artists will just cut wood -- do your corners in a miter and nail it onto the canvas -- then stain it yourself if necessary... If you want to do it right -- you should leave a little gap between the painting and the wood -- that's how the pros do it, for shadow effect, etc. -- but it depends on what your style is and how much texture you have dripping over the edge hehe... glass is rarely used either unless you're doing something special -- most of the time if you use glass -- you hang it somewhere and you can't see the drawing or painting because of glare... They only use glass in some art museums to protect it from UV and kids poking (like Starry Night Van Gogh attracts huge crowds of poking children)

Besides presentation tho you really need to have a good painting... the biggest obstacle that I see is color... if you're going to use color -- be aware of what you can do -- if your painting glows with rich, well-thought-out color -- you're going to attract attention... many artists never figure it out even after years of art school.

So yeah I tend to be a pretty harsh critic, but I've compared and matched and tested my opinions against many succesful artists as well as purchases... and once you can produce good art consistently, you will know it -- you will gain a confidence that will never be taken away from you. You will be able to look at any painting and know what is wrong with it... That's what will make you a good artist. Making a good painting is not just knowing that something is not working, but knowing *why* something is not working (this is hard for many people) -- how it is broken structurally/color/etc -- fixing it is much easier and just becomes a process of guided or un-guided motion of trial and error...

show me an example and ill tell u if it will sell or not

That has to be some of the best advice I've heard all year. :)

Yeah, I agree. Digital isn't as valauble.. but right now, I don't have the $$$ to spend on the painting equip (Mind you, I LOVE painting... I'd do painting all day long if I had the money to spend on it.)

And if my Hubby wouldn't mind sacrificing eh.. the entire apartment to my mishaps ;)

And I agree with you about the color... Color is the most attractive thing there is in a painting and I've seen wonderful art ruined by shoddy coloring (I've done that myself too ... ruined good art with shoddy coloring.)

I'm in the no schooling bit.. I don't completely suck, but pretty close (And I fit the shy category.).

I just know way too many artists a lot better than myself (Stephanie Law, for one.) and well... bleh. My confidence hit the drain :)

A good strategy is to produce a large scale work -- keep it -- show it in galleries -- try to get a log ot $$$ for it... You can get just as much money, if not more just by taking a picture of that master work... These guys on Venice Beach made up to $4000/month just selling total shit ass artwork -- they told me the secret... you just sell 8.5"x11" stuff laminated... or if you want to get fancy, cut out matt board w/ a good bevel cutter... Crowds of tourists or shoppers wherever you are always want something small -- less investment -- something to remember the trip -- something for their bathroom, small gift for girlfriend, etc. etc. -- it comes out that these street artists make more $ sellling the digital prints of the larger works -- the larger works set up a psychological mindset that the art is important and if you get a small one you have a piece of the action hehe... These guys told me w/ the large work on display along w/ the small work their sales of the small works went up like 3x... these guys were shady indeed -- they would be selling shit that they didn't even paint in order to grab more market -- and they would even do photoshop color manipulation shit to produce lots of variations of the same painting to make more $ hehe... if you ask me that's just tacky but $ talks... I have more integrity tho :)

Wildcard: There are two examples floating around the I'm bored thread... but they aren't "good" stuff of mine. ITs just me having a bit too much fun (and I had too much sugar in my tea this morning!)

Air Brushed gfy bit

Thats the latest of the more erotic stuff... the good stuff I did is on regular paper and I don't have a scanner so .. ugh.

it's not too expensive. Here's what you need to produce a large painting at very minimal price

1 straight wood -- go to hardware store...
2 nails
3 wood glue
4 power chop saw ($100) -- if you cut by hand you will save $ but you will need clamps, etc unless you're a genius carpenter.
5 buy canvas at walmart -- the fabric is better and WAY cheaper than what you will pay at a art supply store... and you get to choose things like tooth and color...
6 good staple gun + lots of staples
7 if you go acrylic -- you can incorporate latex house paint and just about anything water-based that you can come up with...
8 depends on your style, but you can paint with just about any object...
9 you can mix paint on anything flat -- i prefer something light (you're holding it a long time usually) and disposable -- cardboard pizza box is just as good as anything.

If you're painting in oil that's a whole new ballgame -- you're better off taking a class -- i wouldn't have time to explain oil painting here.

I know how to oil paint, its a costly, time consuming pain in the rump and errors can take days to fix. So, I like Acrylic a lot better. :) And it isn't SMELLY. x.x

Oil is horribly smelly... at least the stuff I used to have.

I'll keep than info in mind. I used to practice on the walmart canvases... but walmart doesn't SELL them here... Grrrrrble.

Walmart isn't as good as a friend here as in the states.. But i'll take your advice and use that arguement/price estimate to try to convince the husband. (Who is probably reading this annyway.)

Good advice Pete.

But I disagree about buying canvas.

stretch your own canvas.

One of the first things they taught us . ; )

:winkwink:

To not be shy -- easy exercise is get some large newsprint paper at art store -- just draw fast, big, use your whole body to make the lines... touch the paper lightly -- be aware of the weight of your line... only the charcoal should touch the paper, not your arm... draw everythng at once -- don't start at one end or on one body part and work too much detail on any 1 particular area... we all make fun of that shit in Titanic...

anyway don't let non-school keep you away -- if you did that girl w/ your mouse -- you definitely have potential... i think training is real important but maybe not to make money... most people tend to buy what they understand... and the less you know about art -- the more the average person will understand and identify with your artwork. ehhhee sad but true -- but there are certain truths that appeal to the eye that the average person can't quite explain... so there's a value to art training... also don't forget you a human and have something to share/contribute -- what makes you unique as a person can shine through your art regardless of training... art can appeal to the eye but also conceptually to the mind, heart, etc...

No man -- I meant just buy the FABRIC at Walmart... they have a HUGE selection if your walmart sells fabric... I always stretch my own shit. You go to the art supply store to buy the canvas to stretch yourself and you're going to pay like 10 times as much $$$.
That was my main point.

I'm an artist... here is where I buy a lot of stuff. This place has really, really good WIDE scenery canvas about as cheap as you can get it as they import all their stuff themselves.

http://www.dharmatrading.com/fabric.html

They have great customer service too, and their catalog is always fun to browse if you are an artist. They cater more to fiber arts than actual canvas painting, but its a great supplier for anyone who needs ten foot wide cotton canvas, or other fabric, cheap.

This stuff rocks:

http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3621-AA.shtml

I dont have a Walmart around me.

Yeah Walmart might have stuff.

I rather buy more in larger bolts of it as Cherry mentioned.

;)

Good advice, I agree with you wholeheartidly. I usually draw for the emotion... soo yeah, this is all fun and new for me :)

And yeah, she was done completely with mouse... didn't even have anything to look off of. But thats okay. I am going to get a sketchie book and art stuffs once the hubby gets paid and I'm just going to spend my days drawing and drawing and drawing.

I'm gonna have to get a site up and get the more artsy (or the type that like looking) to have a look see and start a mini "training" course for Becca.

I did some shading and stuff with that chickk, and now I'm moving on to drawing a different pose and get it to look better. :):thumbsup

Isn't that what he means? Buy it raw, and stretch it over the frame you construct?

I can sculpt better than I can paint, so I stick to that. It's easier for me.

I think so. My eyes arent open yet dammit, I slept in!

Forgive me. Soon as I saw Walmart I giggled... heheh

Dharma rox.

You will not find scenery canvas as cheap as the place I just linked. Walmart does not carry it, and most places will charge at least double if you can find it. Dharma is really cool.

Walmarts a sexy store. Verrry sexy. Its usually my ar t supply store.

But then again, I used to get my sketchie books (nice leather bound too) from Barnes and nobles, soo... I'm guilty of buying everywhere BUT the art stores.

As for the dharma site... I'm gonna book mark it and have a look.. if they require credit cards I'm stuck, as we don't have one (For our sanity's safety.. newly weds don't need more debt. :)

And I'm not sure what kind I'd need to get anyway. o.o; I know nothing about canvas.

Personally I hate having to go to art and craft stores. They are usually filled with needlepoint making mommas and their whiny-ass bratty kids running loose in the store. And Walmart?? If its a 24 hour one, you may find me there at 4 am. :1orglaugh

Thank goodness for Fedex!

they don't HAVE 24/7 walmarts here. I'm absolutely, completely and totally disgusted with Quebec for THAT reason alone.

Who can survive without 24/7 walmart? I mean... 4-5 am shopping trips are the best, especially if its for art and craft stuff.

Sigh! I miss good walmarts.

Anyone have a good photograph I can practice with? I wanna model offa some pics and I don't want to do it without permission.

Just search google, and don't try to make any money from anything you copy while practicing.

:winkwink:

Thats an idea... but then Id feel bad about even posting it for critizism anywhere... which defeats the whole purpose! heh

Dumbass piece of shit ethics I got. :ak47:

Ahem. Sorry, Angst, you know.

For you Angelinos... On sunset the HomeDepot used to be open 24 hours. Mrs. RedShoe and I would go in there at 3 or 4 am. (I'm just a bit of a nightowl) and I tell you, the wierdest shit would in that staore at 3 am on a weeknight.

People buying hammers, PVC pipe, and like a new cieling fan. Or a door knob and new toolbox.

We could just never figure out the combination of tools and why they needed that shit at 3 am. Of course they must have been looking at me with 50 lbs of Plaster and 3 slats of wood thinking the same thing. But fuck them, they were all wierdos anyway.

I remember one time when my hubby and I went to a hardware stor rather late at night and bought a saw, some pipe, some pipe cover and lots of ducttape.


Thinking about it now, that coulda been really kinky.

Too bad it was for a live action role play group and sex just wasn't involved. ;)

As usual, TheFly gave you good advice. After you've created some works you may want to post them for bid at EBAY. I'm sure the initial sales would be low in price but keep at it and establish a reputation. For an example see: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=917385464

She's not exactly Pollock, Rothko or Kline but hey, people are willing to pay $ for her paintings.

You can sell anything with the right traffic.

Thats true... Now all I'd have to do is get enough of it and then FIND the right traffic. (Give me a few years?)

Heh.

Interesting. Although for $380, thats sad. :( I wonder how many hours it took her to paint all three. Its gotta be like minimum wage at that price.

I could never sell anything I have painted. Not for that price hehe

Once I got a bid for 60 bucks for a painting that took me like twenty minutes to do. It was an abstract waterfall type deal.

Turns out my mother stole the painting and never gave it back. Its on her desk at work. (Robbery! I've been ROOOBBBED!)

Oh well. I'm just going to marvel at how much better I am at art when I have something to LOOK off of. (Thank you gothweb, I'm having a BLAST!)