I GIVE UP. I'm depressed... this is the worst election since McGovern Vs Nixon
 

Last night I heard the REPUBLICAN candidate saying that we should nationalize mortgages, and more government control of healthcare. :(

This election does not include a republican. McCain is basically mouthing a watered-down version of the same stuff that the Dems are proposing.

This is not a contest between someone on the right, and someone on the left. It is a contest between someone on the middle left, and someone on the far left.

It's simply a matter of degree.

I'm still going to vote for McCain, as the lessor of two evils, but I will do so with a heavy sinking heart.

Part of me actually wishes that Obama DOES win. Vino and I would be out of here in a year, and we could wave as the country goes to socialist crap. Most of my friends live offshore at this point already.

It's a shame, and I love my country, (I fought for it for god's sake), but I'm not going to wait around here forever. Frankly, even if Obama loses, I can see the writing on the wall. This place is going more and more left wing, with government taking over more and more of it, while convincing people that they all need to be taken care of and controlled like children. It's enough to make me cry sometimes. :( The thing that made this country great and different and the world power that it has become is that people were self reliant, self driven, free to pursue goals in a capitalist, free market economy. Now it's going to turn into a mediocre nanny state with a nicely even low standard of living....

The popular mainstream news media has become so openly left-biased that the whole thing is becoming a joke. The government screws up by interfering with banks risk-management practices for populist political gain, then turns around and blames the private sector for the problem when it falls apart and then moves in to take control.... The whole country seems to be turning into sheep with very short term memories and it's just depressing to watch.

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"buy Up All Those Bad Home Loans" - Mccain

your freedom already has been taken away after 9/11

exactly...


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He might as well have been saying "let's just have everyone in America hand over their keys to the US government."

My friend.... did you even READ my post???



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So McCain is the lesser of the evils?

A guy whos answer to every question is "Look at my record my friends."

A guy who tried to pull a "Palin" move by trying to be cutesy and crack stale jokes during the debate but came across as desperate.

A guy who wants to buy every bad mortgage and then sell it back.

A guy who thinks getting out of a bad situation is 'defeat'.

A guy whos logic will run the country further in the ground for 'honor'.

Whats appealing about this guy to you? The fact that he says "my friend" and "straight talk" while voting against things that the everyday citizen needs?

and another person that didn't read my post....


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I read it. You said part of you wants Obama to win BUT you are still voting for McCain - Then you plan to get out of dodge. What did I miss?

Its hard when MSM says there are only two choices to pick from and both are the same. Voting the same on every major issue that has taken away our rights and put us deep into debt.

The part that want's Obama to win is the perverse part of me that wants the country to REALLY see what they are going to get with Obama.... who he REALLY is.


*Michael shakes his head, and puts his face in his hands*
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I say fuck both of them. The only guy that made any sense was Ron Paul. He was going to actually cut Government programs, not just talk about it. And unlike Obama and McCain, he talked about those programs he was going to cut. All they can offer is "uhh, well, there will be some cuts...uhhh, where, we'll have to go from the bottom up". And then McCain "I propose freezing spending all across the board. ha! but we will leave, this this and this." And it seems like each debate, he adds more that we will leave in. Before it was just veteran affairs now it's like 3 new things.

This really was our last hope to stop the Government spending, stop the big Government programs, and we said he's an "isolationist" and a "cook". Well, we get what we deserve.

I'm sure there are a lot of you out there who really liked Paul, this isn't to you.

You can retort back with "Well, it wasn't practical. Paul wasn't practical". What IS practical to you, then?

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OK Columbo, why not explain to the world who he REALLY is? :1orglaugh
Let me guess a radical muslim who snuck his way into being the president of Harvard Law Review (basically chosen by white conservatives), then snuck into the us senate with a mission to overthrow our country once hes president.

I was wondering, what freedoms do you have in Germany that we don't have here?

I have never known of any country that goes out of the way to protect its citizens from themselves as Germany does.

I liked that guy very much and hoped he'd be a president. But I am almost sure he'd be assassinated long before he'd been even elected if he had better chances to win... :(

Are his lies as big as this?

https://youtube.com/v/F9SOVzMV2bc&hl

Everyone should do a Ron Paul write in! He is the only hope this country has short of a COMPLETE revolution. I am talking about wiping out the federal reserve and the current government and taking us back to 1787.

How is voting for the same bush policies of the last 8 years better than ANY another policy? Have you seen how the world looks today??

War mongering based on LIES (US soldiers are cannon fodder for the arms and oil industry WAKE THE FUCK UP)
Fear politics so that government doesnt need any reason to turn your life inside out ('patriot act', where can i fucking throw up)
Economy in the fucking shitter

Yep another 4 more years of this policy would totally help!

Note added for the retards: Yes I know it's 'all the dems fault' blabla, leave your desperate petty partisan arguments out of this. Open you mind and look at the big picture for once in your life!

The answer to everything is in my sig :2 cents:

"Worst" election? No way, it's been entertaining as hell so far. :D

The next 4 weeks should be one long political orgasm.

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say it aint so, joe

BRO! dont go vote for the douche bag then pack your shit and leave!!! If your going to leave, fine get the fuck out. You know the saying, right? Love it or leave it. Well if your leaving, do all of us a favor and vote for Obama, so the rest of us have a fighting chance.
Thanks

You're only now discovering that neocons and left liberals are two sides of the same coin?

It wouldn't matter if there was a real republican on the ballot. That person wouldn't win anyways. The reason most republicans lean to the left is so they can appeal to more people. There are things that real republicans believe in that won't help most people. The same can be said for hard left democrats. Fact is there hasn't been any "true" republicans in the whitehouse in many, many decades. Even Regan wasn't "pure" because it just doesn't work. Real republican ideals allow for a lot of people to sink, rather than swim and democrat ideals give too many people lifesavers to hold to, even though they could swim on their own. Neither party is ideal. Both have strayed far from what their intentions should be, working together, taking the best from both sides and even third, fourth and fifth sides to make America better for everyone.

i second that


anyhow


http://www.cc-chapman.com/wp-content/fuckitall.jpg

If McCain does win, then we wouldn't probably have to leave for another 5 years or so...



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...and by the way, I DO love this country.... I served in the army, in combat, for my country. I don't think you can question me on that. I'm patriotic to a fault. Please don't give me the "love it or leave it" crap. My heart is breaking over what I see here.


I've been totally bummed out all day.



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Ron Paul ain't going to win, since he's not on the ballot in any state. Heck, he'll be lucky to even break 1%.

With that said, I agree with your sentiments. Personally I'm not voting for either McCain nor Obama ... I'll likely voting for Bob Barr, but may do write-in for Ron Paul.

It's amazing, though not surprising, how McCain and Obama positions have become so similar on most every issue.

The 2008 presidential election is like Coke vs Pepsi ... yeah, there's a difference, but basically they're both the same thing.

Ron

Funny thing is that any of us assume that any 1 man can make things better: Be it McCain, Obama, Paul, Richard Simmons, Chuck Norris or Mr. T. The truth is that it will take 15-20 years for us just to patch up the damage that was done in the last 8.

That is the truth, my friends (see what I did there?). Anybody that gets elected will have all kinds of finger pointing, whether or not he holds his promises or not. There's just too much of a shit-storm to flush in 4 years.

What great foreign destination do you plan on heading to?

bon voyage.... see ya when i see ya... :thumbsup

and since your so dissatisfied, dont forget to drop off your passport on the way out... :2 cents:

Why would I do that? Did you miss the part about how much I love the US, and have served my country? Did you miss the part about how I tend to be patriotic to a fault?




This wasn't meant to be an argument, simply a post about a situation that is very very sad to me.


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The US will become a socialist country in the end.

i say that not to be a dick, but because everyone is to blame here.. you, me, everyone...

i dont see you organizing rallies or protests or anything to try to make it better..

everyone, including myself, is so eager to complain but yet we all just sit back and do nothing...

i honestly hope that things get so bad in this country that people rise up and revolt..

our founding fathers would be so disappointed in us if they were alive today...

we have lost sight of everything this country was built on...

trust me, i am just as sad and disillusioned as you....

Have you learned nothing from SouthPark?

It is ALWAYS a choice between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich

If there was an option to vote "None of the Above"
I wonder how many people would choose that.....

If they implement a universal healthcare policy it doesn't mean the US is a socialist country. You don't consider Canada, Australia, or England socialist countries do you? That's not socialism. Socialism is much more extreme.

I agree that everyone is to blame. The funny part is that we actually DO do things. We protest, we write letters, send faxes, and emails, and we have organized counter-protests. I volunteer with local political groups, and I help at phone banks when I can.

I'm actually politically quite active..... It just doesn't seem to help


My head hurts
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Actually, I lived in the UK for 4 years, and yes... I do consider it socialist.

(Part of the socialist agenda is to make it seem mainstream to everybody... and slowly change peoples perspective.)


BUT MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY, there is a lot more to my fears about the US besides universal health care... That is simply a part of it.

If you read my original post, it's all about the overall attitude of the people and the government that is making me so bummed out.


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Interesting. Where you are moving, is it a capitalist system of government with a strong free market? Which country is that?

I think we need to "Time-Shift" Obama away....

I can't see the usa ever introducing universal healthcare... Half the country would attempt to move into the hospital over night :1orglaugh

yes it has...with bush laws it has

its time to bring back the constition

McCain stands for nothing and changes his position to whatever he thinks might sound good at that time. He is desperate, plain and simple.

He's already backtracking on his so-called mortgage plan.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14414.html

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) made an overnight change in the homeowner bailout he proposed at Tuesday?s presidential debate, making it more generous to financial institutions and more costly for taxpayers. McCain's staff says it was always meant that way.

When McCain sprung his surprise idea at the start of the debate in Nashville, his campaign posted details online of his American Homeownership Resurgence Plan, which would direct the government to buy up bad home mortgages, allowing strapped people to keep their property.

The document posted and e-mailed by the McCain campaign on Tuesday night says at the end of its first full paragraph: ?Lenders in these cases must recognize the loss that they?ve already suffered.? So the government would buy the mortgages at a discounted rate, reflecting the declining value of the mortgage paper.

But when McCain reissued the document on Wednesday, that sentence was missing, to the dismay of many conservatives.

The two parties aren't so different from each other anymore. McCain is a Republican but not a conservative. Both of the guys know that with the economy as is they won't be able to pull off half the shit they are proposing.

The scarier thing for me is that we are setting a precedent in this great country to hand over more and more powers to the government every time there is a crisis.

For example, after Sept 11 we had the Patriot Act that virtually no congressman read before passing. More recently this 700 billion dollar bailout that gives a lot of control and power to the Feds.

You actually remember McGovern vs Nixon? I don't feel so old now :)

i dont know, i think Mr. T could do it!

I hope that in the thick of it all, there will still be enough time to have investigators out Bush and Cheney, and have them both sentenced for the substantial war crimes and treason that has been committed.

Sooner than you think if Obama is elected and the senate gets to 58 seats or great which then prevents them from being fillibustered by the right.

The Democrats will have 2 years to do anything they damn well please without a single cross over vote from the right to help pass things.

You think you are seeing socialism now, just wait and see what it looks like next Christmas when the house, senate and presidency are all democrats with ZERO chance for checks and balances.

All aboard the Pelosi and Reid express, its going to be a wild socialist ride.

Please tell me how capitalism didn't cause the mess we're in and will fix the problem? I love capitalism but to say the democrats are socialist is nothing but old propaganda. Welfare is socialism? God forbid we help the homeless. and those damn disabled people, they should be working for a living!