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Doctor Dre 10-06-2008 06:26 PM

Voting republican ? You have to read this
 
If you want to be a responsible voter, read this article :
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/cov...al_john_mccain

tony286 10-06-2008 08:17 PM

a good read thank you

dav3 10-06-2008 08:23 PM

McCain offered a confession to charlie? Wow... he just lost my vote.

brassmonkey 10-06-2008 08:27 PM

well in 29 days it will be history

Tanker 10-06-2008 10:01 PM

thanks for the read

potter 10-06-2008 11:22 PM

I read it all, Very good read. Fucking sick how our political system works.

pigman 10-07-2008 12:05 AM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dY
Check mate, good bye McCain

12clicks 10-07-2008 05:53 AM

wow.
sorry. Rolling Stone is chasing the dumb vote. Not mine.
I waded through most of the slimy article but gave up at the "he wasn't tortured for 5 years, just the first 2"

I'd like to see the Rolling Stone piss ant go through "only" 2 years of torture.

oh, and where is the hit piece on obama?
too funny.
but the stupid vote was going to the dems anyway. this doesn't change much

L-Pink 10-07-2008 06:09 AM

Two weeks of torture and then being confined to a motel room with shitty room service for five years would break 99% of the people on this board.

Pleasurepays 10-07-2008 06:14 AM

"I really could not finish this article, and it's a shame because I wanted to read it. If this is not swift-boating a person, I really don't know what is. I would never vote for John McCain as president, but this really is some Jerome Corsi-type stuff. The thing that is so shocking is how positively Rovian the article is; it zealously attacks McCain's perceived strength -- a la the Rove playbook -- with second-hand hearsay, de-contextualized history, and only the faintest praise of good deeds. The author actually damns McCain -- who had two broken arms and a broken leg and was in agony -- for telling his captors about his family pull. Think about the balls (or lack thereof) to actually accuse someone of that!

Listen, McCain has run a secretive, cynical, mean-spirited campaign and his "maverick" label has taken a beating. He was a bit of a lout as a young guy (I sure hope they don't start banning jerks from the military!), and not so great a pilot. I feel pretty safe in saying, however, that no one reading this article has sacrificed more for his country. That means something to a lot of Americans. For people to treat that sacrifice and, yes -- heroism -- as an inconvenient barrier to more efficient character assassination...well, I just have to thank you for reminding me why I don't read Rolling Stone anymore."

- Jesus Christ - 10-07-2008 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14863602)
wow.
sorry. Rolling Stone is chasing the dumb vote. Not mine.
I waded through most of the slimy article but gave up at the "he wasn't tortured for 5 years, just the first 2"

I'd like to see the Rolling Stone piss ant go through "only" 2 years of torture.

oh, and where is the hit piece on obama?
too funny.
but the stupid vote was going to the dems anyway. this doesn't change much

Good to hear some non-partisan common sense, Its refreshing.

Personally I'm rooting for the ultimate warrior, but hulk hogan may surprise you in this match.

Zayne E. 10-07-2008 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14863602)
wow.
...Rolling Stone is chasing the dumb vote. Not mine...

...but the stupid vote was going to the dems anyway...

That's funny because demographics from the last election clearly showed folks with an IQ ABOVE a certain baseline voted other than Bush. That only proves there are more dumbasses in this country than folks who can think for themselves and not follow the herd :thumbsup

L-Pink 10-07-2008 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zayne E. (Post 14863687)
That's funny because demographics from the last election clearly showed folks with an IQ ABOVE a certain baseline voted other than Bush. That only proves there are more dumbasses in this country than folks who can think for themselves and not follow the herd :thumbsup

So you didn't vote for Kerry huh?

pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14863602)
but the stupid vote was going to the dems anyway. this doesn't change much

The party of the 6,000 year old Earth is the intelligent one in this country. Surprising how all the red states are near the bottom of our educational rankings.

V_RocKs 10-07-2008 07:27 AM

www.factcheck.org

12clicks 10-07-2008 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zayne E. (Post 14863687)
That's funny because demographics from the last election clearly showed folks with an IQ ABOVE a certain baseline voted other than Bush. That only proves there are more dumbasses in this country than folks who can think for themselves and not follow the herd :thumbsup

odd how the wealthy herd must be the stupid heard. :1orglaugh

individual-level income/vote breakdown from exit polls for the 2004 presidential election:

Income %R %D
<$15K 36% 63%
$15-30K 41% 58%
$30-50K 48% 51%
$50-75K 55% 44%
$75-100K 53% 46%
$100-150K 56% 43%
$150-200K 57% 43%
>$200K 62% 37%

12clicks 10-07-2008 07:46 AM

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pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14863911)
odd how the wealthy herd must be the stupid heard. :1orglaugh

individual-level income/vote breakdown from exit polls for the 2004 presidential election:

Income %R %D
<$15K 36% 63%
$15-30K 41% 58%
$30-50K 48% 51%
$50-75K 55% 44%
$75-100K 53% 46%
$100-150K 56% 43%
$150-200K 57% 43%
>$200K 62% 37%

In the same token, the red states are the poorest and least educated. They are technically the welfare states in our country by taking in more resources than they pay in.

12clicks 10-07-2008 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14863958)
In the same token, the red states are the poorest and least educated. They are technically the welfare states in our country by taking in more resources than they pay in.

if you removed the poor from the blue states, they'd be red stats as both the numbers and pic I've posted show.

Michael O 10-07-2008 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ - (Post 14863643)
Good to hear some non-partisan common sense, Its refreshing.

Yes 12clicks have always been the poster boy for non-partisan common sense :pimp

12clicks 10-07-2008 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14863958)
In the same token, the red states are the poorest and least educated. They are technically the welfare states in our country by taking in more resources than they pay in.

oh, and in the same token. the rich state of california needs a $7 billion loan so it doesn't go bankrupt. This loan will surpass the federal bailout of that other rich state, New York which was only $2.5 billion.

so much for resources, welfare states, etc.

pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14863994)
if you removed the poor from the blue states, they'd be red stats as both the numbers and pic I've posted show.

And if you removed the states that drag down our economy, you'd have mostly blue states.

They whole thing is much more complicated than that. For instance, Kerry killed with PHDs while Bush wins on just regular college graduates. Bush also won handily with people who don't have a college degree too.

pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14864002)
oh, and in the same token. the rich state of california needs a $7 billion loan so it doesn't go bankrupt. This loan will surpass the federal bailout of that other rich state, New York which was only $2.5 billion.

so much for resources, welfare states, etc.

You can blame that on the fact that they get screwed by the federal government.

For every $1 that a California resident pays in federal taxes, they receive $0.78 back. In New York, they only get $0.79 back.

If they weren't forced to bailout states like Mississippi ($2.02 for every $1 they put in) and Alaska ($1.84 for every $1 they put in), they would have a massive surplus. Most of the blue states can survive without the federal government, the red ones can't.

Wolfy 10-07-2008 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 14863641)
"I really could not finish this article, and it's a shame because I wanted to read it. If this is not swift-boating a person, I really don't know what is. I would never vote for John McCain as president, but this really is some Jerome Corsi-type stuff. The thing that is so shocking is how positively Rovian the article is; it zealously attacks McCain's perceived strength -- a la the Rove playbook -- with second-hand hearsay, de-contextualized history, and only the faintest praise of good deeds. The author actually damns McCain -- who had two broken arms and a broken leg and was in agony -- for telling his captors about his family pull. Think about the balls (or lack thereof) to actually accuse someone of that!

Listen, McCain has run a secretive, cynical, mean-spirited campaign and his "maverick" label has taken a beating. He was a bit of a lout as a young guy (I sure hope they don't start banning jerks from the military!), and not so great a pilot. I feel pretty safe in saying, however, that no one reading this article has sacrificed more for his country. That means something to a lot of Americans. For people to treat that sacrifice and, yes -- heroism -- as an inconvenient barrier to more efficient character assassination...well, I just have to thank you for reminding me why I don't read Rolling Stone anymore."


I was about to paste the same thing into here. Good call :thumbsup

12clicks 10-07-2008 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14864040)
And if you removed the states that drag down our economy, you'd have mostly blue states.

describe "drag down" since New York is number 4 out of 50 in receiving the most federal aid per capita.

pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14864071)
describe "drag down" since New York is number 4 out of 50 in receiving the most federal aid per capita.

I believe they also pay in one of the most. Here is what I'm talking about dragging down.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/266.html

States that receive more money than they put in. New York gets absolutely fucked by the federal government.

12clicks 10-07-2008 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14864057)
You can blame that on the fact that they get screwed by the federal government.

For every $1 that a California resident pays in federal taxes, they receive $0.78 back. In New York, they only get $0.79 back.

If they weren't forced to bailout states like Mississippi ($2.02 for every $1 they put in) and Alaska ($1.84 for every $1 they put in), they would have a massive surplus. Most of the blue states can survive without the federal government, the red ones can't.

well, I guess when you're bankrupt and looking for a loan, you'll blame just about anything on your own problems.

12clicks 10-07-2008 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14864079)
I believe they also pay in one of the most. Here is what I'm talking about dragging down.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/266.html

States that receive more money than they put in. New York gets absolutely fucked by the federal government.

well I guess we could give the land back to the indians.
I mean, we don't need alaska for anything, right?

And all of this makes my statements no less true. the rich vote republican, the poor vote for the party offering them handouts.
remove the poor from the voting rolls and a democrat would never win an election.

tony286 10-07-2008 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14863602)
wow.
sorry. Rolling Stone is chasing the dumb vote. Not mine.

Just like Fox News.

pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14864093)
well, I guess when you're bankrupt and looking for a loan, you'll blame just about anything on your own problems.

Without those states helping out, those red states would resemble 3rd world countries.

pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14864111)
well I guess we could give the land back to the indians.
I mean, we don't need alaska for anything, right?

And all of this makes my statements no less true. the rich vote republican, the poor vote for the party offering them handouts.
remove the poor from the voting rolls and a democrat would never win an election.

I agree, although the rich have received quite a bit in handouts from the government of late (Bear Stearns, AIG, Fannie/Freddie, etc).

The same could also be said about Republicans. Remove the people who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old and they never get elected. Our voting system is fucked up. People who don't pay any taxes at all should not have a vote. Nor should people who can't figure out that the Flinstones wasn't a documentary.

tony286 10-07-2008 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14864111)
well I guess we could give the land back to the indians.
I mean, we don't need alaska for anything, right?

And all of this makes my statements no less true. the rich vote republican, the poor vote for the party offering them handouts.
remove the poor from the voting rolls and a democrat would never win an election.

You mean like poor Billy Gates?

NaughtyVisions 10-07-2008 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ - (Post 14863643)
Personally I'm rooting for the ultimate warrior, but hulk hogan may surprise you in this match.


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L-Pink 10-07-2008 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14864057)
Most of the blue states can survive without the federal government, the red ones can't.

Back in 1861 the blue states had their chance, but no they grabbed their muskets and dragged them back under the federal governments control. :winkwink:

12clicks 10-07-2008 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14864168)
You mean like poor Billy Gates?

yeah, toss his lone vote in with the rabble's

tony286 10-07-2008 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14864357)
yeah, toss his lone vote in with the rabble's

Also just getting by Warren Buffet.

Tom_PM 10-07-2008 09:42 AM

I thought that voting republican precluded the need to read anything?

Please remain calm, it's just a joke! ;)

12clicks 10-07-2008 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14864366)
Also just getting by Warren Buffet.

now you've named the only two. I'd be impressed if you could name a third famous rich guy who mouths the dem line

Doctor Dre 10-07-2008 11:21 AM

Read it all 12clicks... read it all.
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14863602)
wow.
sorry. Rolling Stone is chasing the dumb vote. Not mine.
I waded through most of the slimy article but gave up at the "he wasn't tortured for 5 years, just the first 2"

I'd like to see the Rolling Stone piss ant go through "only" 2 years of torture.

oh, and where is the hit piece on obama?
too funny.
but the stupid vote was going to the dems anyway. this doesn't change much

I'ma answer a quote with a quote on this one
Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14864746)
I was in a small town called Bothell, WA this weekend during my road trip, and stopped at a local Applebees (I know I know, it's all I could find)

There was a party of 14 old people, in the range of 50-90 years old (family outing I guess). One woman explained she was a politics teacher at the local high school.

An older man said "I don't see how anyone can vote for Obama. He killed thousands of people. Just because he shaved his beard and sounds like he speaks perfect English now isn't enough for me to vote for him. McCain will go kill him for us and get justice."

The table all agreed completely, that Barack Obama was actually Osama bin Laden.

No, I am not joking. That's how stupid Americans can be.


PS. They said Foxnews has been an excellent source of election news.


Doctor Dre 10-07-2008 11:43 AM

12clicks are you endorsing this ?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GM3iWlTiEGc

12clicks 10-07-2008 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 14865082)
12clicks are you endorsing this ?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GM3iWlTiEGc

yup.
the choice is between an idiot as VP who won't raise my taxes or a president who will pander to his base (the poor) and raise my taxes.

sorry. I choose the idiot and my money.

stickyfingerz 10-07-2008 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zayne E. (Post 14863687)
That's funny because demographics from the last election clearly showed folks with an IQ ABOVE a certain baseline voted other than Bush. That only proves there are more dumbasses in this country than folks who can think for themselves and not follow the herd :thumbsup

Really post those results. If its the thing I think it is, it was proved patently false.

BlackCrayon 10-07-2008 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14863911)
odd how the wealthy herd must be the stupid heard. :1orglaugh

individual-level income/vote breakdown from exit polls for the 2004 presidential election:

Income %R %D
<$15K 36% 63%
$15-30K 41% 58%
$30-50K 48% 51%
$50-75K 55% 44%
$75-100K 53% 46%
$100-150K 56% 43%
$150-200K 57% 43%
>$200K 62% 37%

Main reason being repubs always tout themselves as being for less taxes and small government despite never delivering it.

BradM 10-07-2008 12:58 PM

12clicks is hilarious. If you pretend he's a 9 year old girl, you start to laugh at what he says because it makes more sense that way. A grown man saying what he says is just confusing.

tony286 10-07-2008 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14864468)
now you've named the only two. I'd be impressed if you could name a third famous rich guy who mouths the dem line

Eli Broad
Charles Kushner
Paul Allen
Steve Jobs
Joan Kroc
David Geffen
Jerry Yang
Leonard Lauder

They are all billionaires. If I win something my wife would like more 12 clicks towels :)

pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 01:43 PM

Peter Lewis
George Soros


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