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  • halfpint
    GFY's Halfpint
    • Jun 2007
    • 15223

    #1

    Amateur Models... why do they fuck you around ??

    Why do they phone up and sound like they really want to do a shoot then ring up a day before and cancel it..just wasting my fucking time

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  • commonsense
    So Fucking Banned
    • Feb 2007
    • 1790

    #2
    Originally posted by halfpint
    Why do they phone up and sound like they really want to do a shoot then ring up a day before and cancel it..just wasting my fucking time
    If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.

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    • Pleasurepays
      BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
      • Aug 2002
      • 11913

      #3
      why are people always surprised that a person who wants to bear it all for the world has issues?

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      • cardinalvices
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2006
        • 2084

        #4
        If they give you a call thats good
        They are underpaid and uncertain if they want to do this or not.

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        • DutchTeenCash
          I like Dutch Girls
          • Feb 2003
          • 21684

          #5
          Originally posted by commonsense
          If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.
          exactly

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          • Enemator
            Confirmed User
            • Mar 2007
            • 1252

            #6
            Listen to yourself: A-MA-TEUR models. That should be a hint!
            Otherwise known as not professional. Get it?

            They have a completely different mindset.
            I live in your nightmares. I make you dream you're getting bumfucked by a razor blade only to wake up and find I gave your wife an enema and tube-fed you her shit.

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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942

              #7
              Originally posted by commonsense
              If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.
              why are people always surprised that a person who wants to bear it all for the world has issues?
              If they give you a call thats good
              They are underpaid and uncertain if they want to do this or not.
              Three great comments. Would just like to add one.

              Amateur models are amateur or first timers/newish. Them changing their mind is a good thing. If you have shot them. Having an average girl who was new and then three months later has 50 scenes under her belt and another 50 booked is worthless. Yes the great ones are great, I said average.

              Of course if you have not shot them it sucks, but it comes with the type of model.



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              • Enemator
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2007
                • 1252

                #8
                Originally posted by commonsense
                If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.
                Word up, yo.
                I live in your nightmares. I make you dream you're getting bumfucked by a razor blade only to wake up and find I gave your wife an enema and tube-fed you her shit.

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                • Star 69
                  Confirmed User
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 8602

                  #9
                  Originally posted by commonsense
                  If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.
                  Truth

                  They are new in the biz, and they still don't know will they be in the biz or it's just for some $$$ or for fun, or some other mental stuff.
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                  • seeandsee
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                    • Mar 2006
                    • 50945

                    #10
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                    • StarkReality
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2004
                      • 4444

                      #11
                      Originally posted by halfpint
                      Why do they phone up and sound like they really want to do a shoot then ring up a day before and cancel it..just wasting my fucking time
                      Why did she cancel? Car accident? Ill mom? Dead relative? Ill cat? Dead cat? Broken car? Ill grandmother? Boyfriend found out? Got her period? Forgot about her sisters marriage? Car stolen? Pick your poison!

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                      • CIVMatt
                        Amateur Pimpin
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 13075

                        #12
                        Hey you're the one that wanted to start shooting content, get used to it, their called Amateurs for a reason
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                        • Enemator
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 1252

                          #13
                          Originally posted by StarkReality
                          Why did she cancel? Car accident? Ill mom? Dead relative? Ill cat? Dead cat? Broken car? Ill grandmother? Boyfriend found out? Got her period? Forgot about her sisters marriage? Car stolen? Pick your poison!
                          "My nan died"
                          I live in your nightmares. I make you dream you're getting bumfucked by a razor blade only to wake up and find I gave your wife an enema and tube-fed you her shit.

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                          • Iron Fist
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 23400

                            #14
                            Originally posted by StarkReality
                            Why did she cancel? Car accident? Ill mom? Dead relative? Ill cat? Dead cat? Broken car? Ill grandmother? Boyfriend found out? Got her period? Forgot about her sisters marriage? Car stolen? Pick your poison!
                            I think you covered it all
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                            • Nikki_Licks
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2005
                              • 6323

                              #15
                              I am pretty sure the above comments covered it all. It is something you will have to get use to if your shooting content. I have had some call and cancel an hour before or not call at all. It's the nature of this game we all love to play
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                              • Manowar
                                jellyfish  
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 71528

                                #16
                                this thread has summed it up

                                welcome to the world of flakes

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                                • Pleasurepays
                                  BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 11913

                                  #17
                                  my experience from running tons of cam studios and guess is that "amateur" is probably not much different... girls know they need money on friday or have some specific need.. so they talk themselves into doing something they really don't want to do or don't feel good about doing in the first place..hence, they will have a high rate of flaking out after they have time to really think about it or at that moment when it comes time to actually pull the trigger and they idea they were trying to get comfortable with becomes a sudden reality that takes on a whole new meaning.

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                                  • Lycanthrope
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2004
                                    • 4517

                                    #18
                                    Because they are wimmens

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                                    • tranza
                                      ICQ: 197-556-237
                                      • Jun 2003
                                      • 57559

                                      #19
                                      That's because they're not professionals!
                                      I'm just a newbie.

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                                      • Fletch XXX
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                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 60840

                                        #20
                                        98% of the ppl in this world or flaky, unreliable, etc... look up personalities, you will find, most intelligent people (leaders etc) are less than 1% of the world pop.

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                                        • sue
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                                          • Mar 2002
                                          • 495

                                          #21
                                          Because they are amateurs..........

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                                          • DarkJedi
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                                            • Feb 2001
                                            • 28301

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by commonsense
                                            If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.
                                            Quoted for the truth!

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                                            • JP-pornshooter
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Sep 2006
                                              • 4007

                                              #23
                                              the worst thing to shoot is gg or b/g/g shoots..
                                              more girls you need in a scene increase the cancellation ratio exponentially
                                              so with 2 girls, it is 4 times more likely to cancel on you compared to a regular b/g or solo shoot.
                                              and usually the girl who does show up still expects to get paid.. go figure.
                                              "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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                                              • Kudles
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 5477

                                                #24
                                                That sucks
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                                                • fluffygrrl
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • May 2006
                                                  • 2187

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                  and usually the girl who does show up still expects to get paid.. go figure.
                                                  Obviously. How is it her problem you suck as a producer ?

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                                                  • Nikki_Licks
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • May 2005
                                                    • 6323

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                    Obviously. How is it her problem you suck as a producer ?

                                                    Says who. YOU?
                                                    Amateur Content
                                                    ICQ: 292 356 077

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                                                    • CaptainHowdy
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                      • 94037

                                                      #27
                                                      That's why they're amateur models I guess...

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                                                      • notime
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                        • 8027

                                                        #28
                                                        amateurs are like t0ddlers, fucking anoying sometimes, always wanna know where where red line is

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                                                        • fluffygrrl
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • May 2006
                                                          • 2187

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Nikki_Licks
                                                          Says who. YOU?
                                                          Actually, you.

                                                          It's the job of the producer to get everything to the set. Cameras. Cameramen. Power. Grips. Water. Models. Agents. Everything.

                                                          You failed on one minor, yet crucial detail. No model. In a real business you'd be fired. In this playground, you get to bitch on a board. Enjoy.

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                                                          • Nikki_Licks
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2005
                                                            • 6323

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                            Actually, you.

                                                            It's the job of the producer to get everything to the set. Cameras. Cameramen. Power. Grips. Water. Models. Agents. Everything.

                                                            You failed on one minor, yet crucial detail. No model. In a real business you'd be fired. In this playground, you get to bitch on a board. Enjoy.
                                                            Actually, you directed your comment at jp pornshooter, not me. I did not fail at anything.
                                                            I always have a backup and my sets and shoots run smoothly.
                                                            Now go suck your tranny infested dick...bitch...bastard or whatever you call yourself.

                                                            Next, you will tell us you are a producer, right?
                                                            Amateur Content
                                                            ICQ: 292 356 077

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                                                            • DestroDamus
                                                              Registered User
                                                              • Feb 2006
                                                              • 23

                                                              #31
                                                              You can never be surprised what a porn chic does, expect the worst! Unless her rate is really high!!
                                                              DESTRODAMUS

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                                                              • DestroDamus
                                                                Registered User
                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                • 23

                                                                #32
                                                                You can never be surprised what a porn chic does, expect the worst! Unless her rate is really high!!
                                                                DESTRODAMUS

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                                                                • fluffygrrl
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                  • 2187

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Nikki_Licks
                                                                  Actually, you directed your comment at jp pornshooter, not me. I did not fail at anything.
                                                                  I always have a backup and my sets and shoots run smoothly.
                                                                  Now go suck your tranny infested dick...bitch...bastard or whatever you call yourself.

                                                                  Next, you will tell us you are a producer, right?
                                                                  Hey, I think I got my OPs mixed up. Yea, not according to you, according to him.

                                                                  Sorry about that.

                                                                  Umm... Foulmouth ?

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                                                                  • sweetcuties
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                    • 5859

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I love amateurs despite the bs... there's nothing sexier or cutier than an amateur

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                                                                    • Nikki_Licks
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                      • 6323

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by fluffygrrl

                                                                      Sorry about that.

                                                                      Umm... Foulmouth ?
                                                                      NP. yea, I lick the good stuff with this foul mouth
                                                                      Amateur Content
                                                                      ICQ: 292 356 077

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                                                                      • Brad Gosse
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                        • 2616

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I usually try to book in a few each day so I can deal with the no shows.

                                                                        I expect a 50&#37; cancelation rate.
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                                                                        • Pornstuck
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Sep 2008
                                                                          • 67

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Because they are Amateur's duhh..

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                                                                          • SilentKnight
                                                                            Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                            • Oct 2005
                                                                            • 24812

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Dealin' with flakey, amateur wannabe models is an occupational hazard and to be expected.

                                                                            We've had our share of no-show models over the years, or first-time amateurs who balk when they realize they aren't getting a few grand for a few hours of shooting. Many wannabe models have misconceptions about the industry and the money and think they're entitled to a king's ransom in wage right from the start.

                                                                            As others have pointed out - be thankful they even called to cancel. Much of the time you don't even get that courtesy.

                                                                            Better that they cancel before a shoot rather than come back at you weeks later and beg you not to publish/distribute the shots. I'd sooner have someone flake from the start than deal with the 'regret' confrontation after the work's been done.

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                                                                            • JP-pornshooter
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Sep 2006
                                                                              • 4007

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                                              Actually, you.

                                                                              It's the job of the producer to get everything to the set. Cameras. Cameramen. Power. Grips. Water. Models. Agents. Everything.

                                                                              You failed on one minor, yet crucial detail. No model. In a real business you'd be fired. In this playground, you get to bitch on a board. Enjoy.
                                                                              this is the real world.. but i cant fire myself, just take the loss and learn.

                                                                              most of the models i book are through an agency, it cuts down the cancellation ratio somewhat but not at all entirely.
                                                                              The thing is when you deal with an agency, the model have no "negotiation power", if something goes wry, you contact the agency and work it out. So if the agency are supposed to deliver two models, but only one show up, guess who's problem the compensation of the one model becomes? bingo.. agency, but still a wasted day for you and possible location and support staff expenses out the window.
                                                                              "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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                                                                              • RTP
                                                                                aka Jimmy James
                                                                                • Nov 2006
                                                                                • 1335

                                                                                #40
                                                                                this is why some production studios wont even work with new and first-timers. no show for production cost hurts. everything said is true, they are not professionals, back out or excuses...it's like getting someone who has no responsibility in life to show up for a job.

                                                                                for the person interfacing with the model...the first line of contact, agency or whoever...it takes hand holding, cultivating a relationship with them and communication - not many people have time to do this and even if you do there is still a big chance on a flake
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                                                                                • MrAwesome
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                                  • 898

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Star 69
                                                                                  Truth

                                                                                  They are new in the biz, and they still don't know will they be in the biz or it's just for some $$$ or for fun, or some other mental stuff.
                                                                                  exactly!
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                                                                                  • AaliyahLove
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Apr 2008
                                                                                    • 2722

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                                                    Obviously. How is it her problem you suck as a producer ?
                                                                                    Why is fluffygirl/guy such a hater? Which one of you GFY'ers pissed in her Cheerios? LOL


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                                                                                    • fluffygrrl
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                      • 2187

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                      Better that they cancel before a shoot rather than come back at you weeks later and beg you not to publish/distribute the shots. I'd sooner have someone flake from the start than deal with the 'regret' confrontation after the work's been done.
                                                                                      Can always charge a 20% off the top of whatever you could make for the scene and call it good.

                                                                                      They want the shot burried that bad, hey, they can get a loan, or whatever.

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                                                                                      • fluffygrrl
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • May 2006
                                                                                        • 2187

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                                                                        this is the real world.. but i cant fire myself, just take the loss and learn.

                                                                                        most of the models i book are through an agency, it cuts down the cancellation ratio somewhat but not at all entirely.
                                                                                        The thing is when you deal with an agency, the model have no "negotiation power", if something goes wry, you contact the agency and work it out. So if the agency are supposed to deliver two models, but only one show up, guess who's problem the compensation of the one model becomes? bingo.. agency, but still a wasted day for you and possible location and support staff expenses out the window.
                                                                                        No rose without torns, and often enough it doesn't even take a rose.

                                                                                        I guess what you do is compare overbooking costs vs cancellation costs, and find a sweetspot.

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