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DateDoc 09-14-2008 04:00 PM

What time will the NYSE pull the plug on trading tomorrow?
 
Catastrophic loses look eminent as Barclays has backed out of buying Lehman Bros and they will fail (well they have failed already it is just not official). The Govt has also said it does not want to bail out Lehman Bros. The failure of Lehman will lead to many more failures with WAMU the most likely and maybe Merril Lynch. If this goes down tomorrow the NYSE will have to suspend trading.

Vendot 09-14-2008 04:04 PM

Im gonna set a limit to buy $100k worth of GOOG at $0.01

tony286 09-14-2008 04:04 PM

I hope someone comes in last minute to buy them.

Vendot 09-14-2008 04:07 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/usDol...65548820080914

DateDoc 09-14-2008 04:14 PM

The 1st wave of worldwide loses could come in just a few hours when the Hang Seng opens at 7:00PM PST (10:00AM Monday Honk Kong time).

emjay 09-14-2008 04:19 PM

Looks like we are witnessing history in the making...

Vendot 09-14-2008 04:23 PM

Looks like tommorrow is going to be armageddon...... question is, is it worth buying anything after the first shock wave or do you wait until the reverberations come later?

Evil E 09-14-2008 04:25 PM

Interesting, I don't know much about that but I'll be watching the story...

tony286 09-14-2008 04:25 PM

there are some that say, let it really fall hard.Then the rebuilding can begin.

NickPapageorgio 09-14-2008 04:28 PM

I made another thread asking about the market because I honestly don't know jack about it. From reading CNN Money, what I gather is Lehman bros got in over their head with some back real estate decisions and are now going broke but are hoping someone would buy them/bail them out but that's not happening.

That's why I want to learn how this shit works. I read that something super important is going on with the market and I don't know enough about it to know the significance of it. I'm learning, just never really cared enough about it until this past year or so.

GetSCORECash 09-14-2008 04:28 PM

If Lehman falls... It's going to be a domino effect. WM, MER, C, and even NYX and GS anything financial will get hit, and hit bad..

I'm so deep into WAMU, if I pull out now, I'm still going to get my dick cut off.

Vendot 09-14-2008 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14755588)
there are some that say, let it really fall hard.Then the rebuilding can begin.

And if your bank has been doing deals with Lehman and not had a chance to unwind positions? Then do you still want Lehman falling on its ass?

Lets say tommorrow you wake up and find that your bank has collapsed and you're worth a couple of twinkie cakes you spent your last pocket of change on. How would you feel?

NET WORTH (September 14th): $121k

NET WORTH (September 15th): $0.04 (plus 2 Twinkie cakes)

DateDoc 09-14-2008 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 14755600)
And if your bank has been doing deals with Lehman and not had a chance to unwind positions? Then do you still want Lehman falling on its ass?

Lets say tommorrow you wake up and find that your bank has collapsed and you're worth a couple of twinkie cakes you spent your last pocket of change on. How would you feel?

NET WORTH (September 14th): $121k

NET WORTH (September 15th): $0.04 (plus 2 Twinkie cakes)

I hope the govt comes thru and bails them out and they need to do it in the next few hours before the Hang Seng opens. They have said they do not want to but have not come right out and said they will not.

tony286 09-14-2008 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 14755600)
And if your bank has been doing deals with Lehman and not had a chance to unwind positions? Then do you still want Lehman falling on its ass?

Lets say tommorrow you wake up and find that your bank has collapsed and you're worth a couple of twinkie cakes you spent your last pocket of change on. How would you feel?

NET WORTH (September 14th): $121k

NET WORTH (September 15th): $0.04 (plus 2 Twinkie cakes)

Did I say I said that? Why so aggressive? Banks are insured if you didn't know. If tomorrow we are thrown into a depression we are all going to be affected big time.

IllTestYourGirls 09-14-2008 04:39 PM

I hope you are ready for the ride.

For those of you who have not been listening to Peter Schiff it maybe time to

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nlNOMouRzVg

DateDoc 09-14-2008 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14755615)
Did I say I said that? Why so aggressive? Banks are insured if you didn't know. If tomorrow we are thrown into a depression we are all going to be affected big time.

We are not talking about insured funds we are talking about stocks taking a nose dive across the board. More and more banks are going to fail. As to insured funds - how many deposits can the govt cover before the money the govt is giving you is worthless?

IllTestYourGirls 09-14-2008 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 14755606)
I hope the govt comes thru and bails them out and they need to do it in the next few hours before the Hang Seng opens. They have said they do not want to but have not come right out and said they will not.

The government or the FED?

DateDoc 09-14-2008 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 14755629)
The government or the FED?

Either/or. Someone needs to.

marketsmart 09-14-2008 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14755615)
Banks are insured if you didn't know.

the indy mac failure ate 10% of the FDIC fund...

the fdic could only handle 1 large bank failure and after that the FDIC fund would be empty..

anyway, the currency markets opened tonight with some huge moves.. the dollar got hit especially hard against the yen.. however, it seems to be bouncing back..

japan is closed because of holliday. when europe comes online tonight we will see what going to happen..

monday morn is going to be wild for sure...

Vendot 09-14-2008 04:52 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...34273620080912

Dollar down tommorrow......

SomeCreep 09-14-2008 04:56 PM

I love capitalism. Fear and uncertainty creates so much opportunity, for the smart investor, anyway.

tony286 09-14-2008 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14755640)
the indy mac failure ate 10% of the FDIC fund...

the fdic could only handle 1 large bank failure and after that the FDIC fund would be empty..

anyway, the currency markets opened tonight with some huge moves.. the dollar got hit especially hard against the yen.. however, it seems to be bouncing back..

japan is closed because of holliday. when europe comes online tonight we will see what going to happen..

monday morn is going to be wild for sure...

I actually found this post on a mainstream site good points.:
The FDIC doesn't have any "money" but as long as it is funded by the taxpayer it will not be unable to service commitments. By way of perspective. in the 89-90 savings and loan fiasco over 1000 financial institutions collapsed, in the current crisis there may be 150 banks at risk.Take a deep breath the sky is not falling and capitalism is the only game in town, you can't win if you don't play.

Vendot 09-14-2008 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 14755681)
I love capitalism. Fear and uncertainty creates so much opportunity, for the smart investor, anyway.

Thats true...... when all your cash is wiped out, youll still have two twinkie cakes and because no-one else will have any cash to buy food, you can trade your twinkie cakes for pussy.

tony286 09-14-2008 05:01 PM

My only wish is if the government bails this one out and other ones in the future. The executive teams leave with nothing but their family photos.

IllTestYourGirls 09-14-2008 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 14755681)
I love capitalism. Fear and uncertainty creates so much opportunity, for the smart investor, anyway.

Bail outs dont happen in capitalism :2 cents:

Vendot 09-14-2008 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14755696)
My only wish is if the government bails this one out and other ones in the future. The executive teams leave with nothing but their family photos.

You want them to leave the building naked and covering their extremities with a photo frame? A form of punishment?

Phoenix 09-14-2008 05:12 PM

kinda wish i had kept my trading account stocked up
probably some really good buys to be had coming soon

tony286 09-14-2008 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 14755746)
You want them to leave the building naked and covering their extremities with a photo frame? A form of punishment?

Better than giving them 7 million dollar severance packages for fucking up.

DateDoc 09-14-2008 05:22 PM

Quote:

CNBC has confirmed press reports that Lehman Brothers is likely to file for bankruptcy protection as soon as Sunday evening.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26708143

OG LennyT 09-14-2008 05:29 PM

I am putting lots of cash on GOOG tomorrow... it's a buyer's market fuckers

pocketkangaroo 09-14-2008 05:29 PM

Futures down 270 points.

DateDoc 09-14-2008 05:47 PM

B of A and Merril Lynch have agreed on terms for B of A to buy them. Both boards have approved the deal.

DateDoc 09-14-2008 06:04 PM

BofA is paying $29/share for MER which closed at $17.05 on Friday and was like to be bankrupt in a week or two after Lehmans tanked.

Sami 09-14-2008 06:05 PM

My estimate is about 50% of the merrill employees get axed and that is alot of employees!

Manowar 09-14-2008 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 14755794)

:disgust:disgust

DateDoc 09-14-2008 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sami (Post 14755956)
My estimate is about 50% of the merrill employees get axed and that is alot of employees!

shitty day for a lot of employees

TheSenator 09-15-2008 04:08 AM

Suicide watch today..... :(

emjay 09-15-2008 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 14756104)
shitty day for a lot of employees

indeed, but don't expect too much sympathy from Joe Public.

Hank_Heartland 09-15-2008 04:58 AM

Funny to hear all you Republicans asking for a bailout:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

ADL Colin 09-15-2008 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 14755585)
Looks like tommorrow is going to be armageddon...... question is, is it worth buying anything after the first shock wave or do you wait until the reverberations come later?

I'm buying after the first shock wave with some left in reserve for further price drops.

rowan 09-15-2008 05:46 AM

I believe it's currently about 8:45am in NY... what time does the exchange open?

notime 09-15-2008 05:50 AM

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080915/world_markets.html

Darkland 09-15-2008 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14755685)
By way of perspective. in the 89-90 savings and loan fiasco over 1000 financial institutions collapsed, in the current crisis there may be 150 banks at risk.Take a deep breath the sky is not falling and capitalism is the only game in town, you can't win if you don't play.

I have been hearing this from several places and it is not looking at the bigger picture. Sure maybe only 150 banks are at risk versus the 1000 that collapsed in 89-90. The big difference is that through mergers, buy-outs, consolidations AND the closure of those banks that collapsed in the S&L fiasco there AREN'T as many banks around today to soften the blow.

marketsmart 09-15-2008 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14755685)
I actually found this post on a mainstream site good points.:
The FDIC doesn't have any "money" but as long as it is funded by the taxpayer it will not be unable to service commitments. By way of perspective. in the 89-90 savings and loan fiasco over 1000 financial institutions collapsed, in the current crisis there may be 150 banks at risk.Take a deep breath the sky is not falling and capitalism is the only game in town, you can't win if you don't play.

i am pretty sure the FDIC keeps a reserve fund.. of course the FDIC is backed by the govt ie: the taxpayers, so ultimately the FDIC has unlimited money..

DateDoc 09-15-2008 07:45 AM

Looks like the BofA purchase of MER is going to help stabilize or stave off huge losses for most. AIG is down 44% today, WAMU 20% and Wachovia 13%.

ADL Colin 09-15-2008 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14755640)
the indy mac failure ate 10% of the FDIC fund....

I think more than that.

The FDIC fund was $45 billion at the end of June. The most recent estimate of the cost of Indy Mac is $8.9 billion. Almost 20%.

So now the FDIC will have to charge banks higher premiums in order to rebuild its reserve ratio.

ADL Colin 09-15-2008 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14757655)
i am pretty sure the FDIC keeps a reserve fund.. .

yes. They charge banks an insurance premium and those funds then go into the fund.

Sami 09-15-2008 08:22 AM

Market never behaves in the manner that everybody would expect.

Contrarian ? Perhaps.. at least in times of uncertainty.


I won't be surprised if the Dow fills the gap today...


Capitulation is going to occur when people don't expect it !

tiger 09-15-2008 08:27 AM

More carnage to come I'm sure but today looks like it wasn't as bad as everyone thought it would be.

DateDoc 09-15-2008 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 14757840)
Looks like the BofA purchase of MER is going to help stabilize or stave off huge losses for most. AIG is down 44% today, WAMU 20% and Wachovia 13%.

Wachovia is now down 22% and AIG 62%


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