You vote for Harper, you vote for Censorhip
 

Just so you know, if there is any Canadian here :helpme

Harpers got me voting for the first time in my life...

Evil fuck

what are you basing this on?

Actually he seems to be doing not that bad of a job so far. Especially when Dion is the alternative.

If we could just get rid of McGuinty in Ontario, I wouldn't have much to complain about in regards to our government.

I'll be voting Harper thanks.

I don't like socialism (crackheads and idiots dont deserve free healthcare and welfare) and I hate the environment.

Voting for anyone BUT Harper is a vote for a fucking waste of a term in government.

I have no idea what's going on in Canada.. But I do have to say this, I would take your $300 a year social medical system over my $300 a month medical fuck over system any day of the week.

Good for you. Enjoy dying on the floor of one of the government hospitals, due to lack of doctors, medical staff and funding to get you any sort of attention whatsoever.

This is for a fucking head injury or something of the like. Don't even THINK about getting cancer, needing any kind of organ transplant etc. You get to die over 2 years while waiting.

Again, enjoy.

First time in my life I will vote for the reds ( Liberals ) .... and I don't like them ... but we must make sure that Harper doesn't get a majority government, otherwise we are fucked in many aspects, including war, environment, social issues ( culture ), death penalty, abortion, guns, etc ...

At that point, might as well join the USa and its president, Sarah Palin ....

Harper is Canada's best choice right now.

Any other government right now would make parliament a soap opera (more than it is now). The liberals are especially good at creating drama, and Dion looks like he would be the master of it.

Look, even the Frenchies get it people. Vote Harper.

Such BS.... Ask my dad after 2 heart surgery and pneumonia .... system is not perfect, but it is way better then our south neighbours ...

How many in the USA , by losing their jobs, lose their health care coverage .... and cannot seek medical treatment ?


Forgot, he also had colon cancer 6 years ago ...

It's better? Really? I am a Dual US/Canadian citizen. Spent 20 years in Canada. I would take US healthcare over CDN healthcare on EVERY SINGLE front any day of the week.

You don't know shit, and as usual just argue about this to anger people and draw out ... well fuck I don't know why you do it but you do.

Opinions are like assholes - you are one.

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Dude, you need to get your facts straight. I'd rather wait 4 hours to get checked out than pay $10000 and not wait 4 hours. I don't know about you dude but I don't make $2500 an hour here.

Also, no one has died on the floor of a Canadian hospital. That's the US. Not Canada. That doesn't happen here because we take care of people, not try to make money.

That's the difference. Hospitals in the US have no interest in taking care of people. They just want to make money. I'd rather have a guy who wants me to get better looking after me than a guy who is just interested in money.

Sorry dude, but when it comes to health care, the US is rock bottom pretty much the worst in the WORLD. Yes, the world.

Yeah, it must be real hell to have to wait, for everything but an emergency. I lived in Canada and used the medical services, I have zero complaints. It was far faster, MUCH cheaper, and exactly the same service.


Here you just get denied, insurance canceled, your family has to file bankruptcy, which doesn't protect from medical costs, destroying your entire family and everyone you know that tried to help. Or they could raise your rates to $3,000+ a month because your wife has a medical condition she was born with, and without meds she dies. So pay $3,000 a month or die?

You should feel very blessed for what you have and hate our system for taking your Doctors away because they over charge 1000x the market rate for an ice pack. Then again, they have to since we can sue a doctor for making us sneeze after an operation.

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I'm pretty sure that YOURE the one who doesn't know shit.

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I'd take an asshole over your opinion any day. At least an asshole knows his shit.

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I would recommend for you to stop arguing about this because you're wrong, and you know you're wrong. Remember, YOU don't know SHIT about this or you wouldn't be saying the dumb things you're saying.

take your meds ....

wow healthcare is free in Canada? Must be nice with no income, sales and property tax like we have here in the States

It's not free for the working man in Canada. I think you can opt out of it, but it's something like $300 a year.

Canada and U.S. medical systems are free to the poor. (Really anyone) We just try to get our dime either way, but almost every medical center will take you in, no cost, just don't give up your ss# like the bums.

Over one million americans have lost their homes due to being unable to pay their medical bills.

My experiences are much different than all of yours then.

Stop being so bitchy. Fucking GFY drama whores, are you all fat black women?

I pay $200 a month for my wife and I and I've had A+ service at our hospital. End of fucking story.

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Yea, I know.
PS this referenced the deleted post.

Just think if I let something like that slip out here. I would never hear the end of it.

Hahahaha no doubt.

Wait a minute. There's no income, sales or property tax in Canada?

Yes.

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I was just saying that if you work in adult and vote for the conservatives, you're just contradicting yourself. They are pro-censorship and all that crap. They also don't care for the environment.

If you're a redneck that has the same *cough* mentality as Sarah Paulin, then vote for the conservatives.

That's all. Not here to argue... just saying because I was supporting the conservatives for other good points(yes there is some good), and saw what they are trying to do.

Yes there is ....

- We pay roughly from 12 to 55 % income tax
- There is a federal sales tax of 5 %
- Most states have taxes of about 5 to 7.5 %

- Property taxes are municipal, but they are there .

But, since BradM brought in the medicare system ( was not the topic of this thread, but obviously a thorn for him ) , if you have no income, no assets, nada ... you still receive the same medical care as the billionnaire ... ( just a bit like " The Bucket List " tough that was a private US hospital ).

What my dad went thru would have cost him in the states a fortune, because after a colon cancer his premium would have skyrocketed and after a first triple by-pass with 10 days induced coma, he would have not been insurable anymore. So the second heart attack would have cost him about 250K per US standards.

I wish I was a fat black woman :(

Watch "Sicko"... that is all.

Healthcare is far from free in Canada. Don't let anyone fool you with this $300 per year crap. Healtcare consumes 50% of our provincial budgets. That is bascially 50% of all tax revenue going to run the healthcare system. Actually it is more than 50% of provincial tax revenue because provincial budgets are partially supported by federal transfer payments.

You have to ask yourself this: if the healthcare system is Canada is so good then why is it always the number one election issue? Every federal party and all of the provincial parties are always promising to fix the healthcare system every election. If it ain't broke what are they trying to fix?

And for all the fear-mongers trying to say that the Conservatives are pro-censorship - please provide an example of where they ever tried to censor anything or even mentioned censoring anything.

Exposing desperate NDP fear tactics is going to get Jack Layton to kill you, you know?

if it would be someone else then Dion, like a Trudeau type of Liberal leader I'd vote Liberal no questions asked...

With that said, I haven't made up my mind yet...

I'd like to hear what you base your statement that Harper is censorship on

I just have a bad taste in my mouth from McGuinty and the liberals in Ontario.

So many new bullshit laws and taxes. A street racing charge for something as simple as spinning your tires, the health tax... the largest single tax increase in Ontario history. Blah. I'm not going to vote for a party that keeps taking money out of my pocket.

And Dion can stick his green taxes up his ass. I'm not voting for someone who wants to increase the price of the gas I heat my home with, let alone the shit I put in my cars.

Well one thing that comes to mind is the conservatives want to pick and choose what films get funding. If they don't like the content, no funding.

Which is perfectly fine. They are being prudent, some films don't deserve funding. Governments can't approve every film that applies for a grant.

:1orglaugh Bring him on! What's he going to do? Tax me to death?

They don't ... But there is a federal body for that : Telefilm Canada ... and it should be them that decides the value of a production, not a political party :2 cents:

Well, considering some of the stupid shit that the government has funded over the years that sounds like a really good idea. And that does not in any way, shape or form fit the definition of censorship. Any real examples of censorship?

It does cost roughly $300/month for the average Canadian. If you make $30,000/year, between $3000 and $5000 in taxes will be health care related depending on your province. If you average it out at $4000/year, that's $40,000 over 10 years and $200,000 over 50 years(not including inflation). This is only for a citizen making 30k/year, the average salary is much higher.

The problem with the health care system in either country is not the government, it's the people. Neither system is financially equipped to handle the load. The only way to resolve the health care issue in either country are for it's citizens to change their habits. Healthy eating and fitness will always be cheaper than health care.

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This is one of the films that started this discussion a few months ago. "Young People Fucking"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0913445/

Should that film be approved for funding by the film board?

It is to TeleFilm Canada to decide. When refused, the producers can go in appeal ... I have been dealing wit hthem and the SODICC from 1979 till 1995 ... so I know how it works.

If the film has no merit or no commercial value, it will not get produced..

Seems this one had certain values, being shown in many Festivals:

Canada 6 September 2007 (Toronto International Film Festival) (premiere)
Canada 5 October 2007 (Vancouver International Film Festival)
Germany 8 February 2008 (European Film Market)
USA 31 May 2008 (Seattle International Film Festival)


You probably are the type of person that would have not funded Andy Wharhol ....

You want that, vote for Harper... it is a clear cut choice :2 cents:

It's a comedy and a really good one at that.

They're just offended at the title, it's no more offensive than American Pie.

Yeah, because a site that tries to make such a ridiculous and irrelevant implication with a photo like that must be really credible. :error

Besides, that is still not really censorship. They are not banning the film they are just saying "we don't want to pay for it, pay for it yourself."

If it's a commercial film it should not be funded by the government. End of story.

It is still a crown corporation which receives their money from the federal government. The feds have the right to change anything within the dept of Canadian Heritage. It sounds like this is more personal and could directly affect you. This isn't an issue citizens will care about in an election. I have no issues with the gov funding small businesses, films and other artists as long as there is a strong check and balance.

I knew you were not too smart, but I never thought you were that dumb :2 cents:

BTW, the actress won best supporting actress in Vancouver for her role...

As for check and balance, that is where Telefilm Canada comes into play . The head of telefilm Canada is appointed by the government ( most of the time a political appointment ) but the board of review is composed of many people from various fields of the Canadian Motion Picture business ( actors, producers, exhibitors, TV, etc ...).


But you are right.... just hope that if ever you are sick, it is not a political appointee that decides of the treatment instead of a doctor.

AS for bridges, fuck the engineers ... let a minister decide ..... :helpme