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Libertine 09-06-2008 12:05 PM

Possible approach for user-uploaded pirated video
 
It should be technically possible, though it would require some work.

Embed a unique user-specific (visual?) code in all video downloads, which does not restrict playback in any way, but does identify the user. I'm not talking about meta-information here, which could easily be stripped out, but something actually integrated into the content. Make it exceedingly tedious to remove, but entirely non-intrusive for playback.

Coupled with credit card data and IP logs, it could provide specific targets for lawsuits. Moreover, with some of the tube sites where the owners are actually doing the uploads, it could very well help in proving that.

It has some downsides, of course. Password-sharing and cracking would implicate the wrong people, there'd still be ways to remove it, etc. Still, it could be a decent start.

(just thinking out loud here - nothing serious, zero research behind this)

klaze 09-06-2008 12:10 PM

You would still have to get the tube site / etc. to agree to remove the content.

I dunno how long Robbie has been talking about getting his content removed from tubes and all of the content is still there..

klaze 09-06-2008 12:14 PM

Also just as easy it is for you to add a tag to the video file it would be just as easy to remove it.

And what if the clip is encoded from mpeg to flv for a tube and the tag is lost?

hjnet 09-06-2008 12:21 PM

Put an watermark with the username and IP onto it, that would stop 95% from sharing cause most users wouldn't mind doing any additional work.

But the watermakring itself would be the problem, can't think about a way to do this automatic without using way to many server resources....

notime 09-06-2008 12:23 PM

Here is a good read for you. (it's just being launched by Philips)
It's like CSI forensics in codecs. Works ONLINE with videos but also with pressed DVDS

http://www.business-sites.philips.co...ome/index.page

http://www.business-sites.philips.co...ogy/index.page

http://www.business-sites.philips.co...cts/index.page

resulting in:
http://www.mediahedge.com/

Philips systems even spider ALL webpages on the net and report to the content owners that work with their system.....and tracking it down to to source where it orginated from

DBS.US 09-06-2008 12:26 PM

They will wifi from Starbucks with a prepaid credit card.

Libertine 09-06-2008 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaze (Post 14717337)
Also just as easy it is for you to add a tag to the video file it would be just as easy to remove it.

And what if the clip is encoded from mpeg to flv for a tube and the tag is lost?

It wouldn't be quite as easy to remove it as it would be to add it.

For example, use a dynamic visual tag that consists of a pattern of spots moving across the screen in a pseudo-random way. It's possible to add visual tags like that without them being visible to a user while watching the video. And, if it's actually part of the video, encoding wouldn't simply remove it.

It would have to use an error correction method that would require fairly large amounts of redundant data to survive extensive re-encoding and still be readable, but since the amount of information you're embedding is extremely small, that shouldn't be a problem.

Libertine 09-06-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notime (Post 14717362)
Here is a good read for you. (it's just being launched by Philips)
It's like CSI forensics in codecs. Works ONLINE with videos but also with pressed DVDS

http://www.business-sites.philips.co...ome/index.page

http://www.business-sites.philips.co...ogy/index.page

http://www.business-sites.philips.co...cts/index.page

resulting in:
http://www.mediahedge.com/

Philips systems even spider ALL webpages on the net and report to the content owners that work with their system.....and tracking it down to to source where it orginated from

Something similar to that, yes, though simpler.

If a standard incorporating such technology was adopted in the entire adult industry, it could help greatly in fighting piracy.

Libertine 09-06-2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 14717373)
They will wifi from Starbucks with a prepaid credit card.

The idea is not to block all roads, it's to block the highway. Make it more difficult and riskier to use pirated content.

notime 09-06-2008 12:48 PM

rest I put in here:
fucking-around-and-business-discussion/853255-anti-piracy-solution-found-online-dvds-philips.html

fluffygrrl 09-06-2008 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14717308)
It should be technically possible, though it would require some work.

Embed a unique user-specific (visual?) code in all video downloads, which does not restrict playback in any way, but does identify the user. I'm not talking about meta-information here, which could easily be stripped out, but something actually integrated into the content. Make it exceedingly tedious to remove, but entirely non-intrusive for playback.

Coupled with credit card data and IP logs, it could provide specific targets for lawsuits. Moreover, with some of the tube sites where the owners are actually doing the uploads, it could very well help in proving that.

It has some downsides, of course. Password-sharing and cracking would implicate the wrong people, there'd still be ways to remove it, etc. Still, it could be a decent start.

(just thinking out loud here - nothing serious, zero research behind this)

Actually, add into this idea the subtle art of steganography, somebody could write a script to take a movie, and encode a user code - say a 256 byte hashinto every single frame.

Horribly difficult to remove if you don't know the hash you're looking for, and finding that out'd be horribly difficult.

But if you know the hash, horribly easy to check a movie for it.

seeandsee 09-06-2008 01:49 PM

i think all that could be fucked true convector, and your ripped video lands on ilegal tube clean.

notime 09-06-2008 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 14717708)
i think all that could be fucked true convector, and your ripped video lands on ilegal tube clean.

See fucking-around-and-business-discussion/853255-anti-piracy-solution-found-online-dvds-philips.html
Philips made something that cannot be stripped out
and its not consumer unfriendly like drm
Just fingerprint, watermarked and auto spider on entire web & p2p networks
and reported to rightfull owner if the movie is illegal

notime 09-06-2008 02:33 PM

In short:

If the movie HAS the Philips tech in it (wether the source is TV, cinema, dvd, online movie, etc.) you could copy it, record it with a cam, then copy it to dvd, put it back on VHS, copy it to DV, make an avi/mpg/flv/whatever from that, resize it from 640x480 to 320x240, then cut it into 3 minute clips, add effects & chomakey, edit the sound, change the colour s & gamma...and ITS still in the movie...and being spidered 24/7 across the net & P2P by huge amounts of servers that report all in a database that reports to the owners where an illegal movie is used and where now and thru who and where it originated from (sources)

fluffygrrl 09-06-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notime (Post 14717840)
In short:

If the movie HAS the Philips tech in it (wether the source is TV, cinema, dvd, online movie, etc.) you could copy it, record it with a cam, then copy it to dvd, put it back on VHS, copy it to DV, make an avi/mpg/flv/whatever from that, resize it from 640x480 to 320x240, then cut it into 3 minute clips, add effects & chomakey, edit the sound, change the colour s & gamma...and ITS still in the movie...and being spidered 24/7 across the net & P2P by huge amounts of servers that report all in a database that reports to the owners where an illegal movie is used and where now and thru who and where it originated from (sources)

That sounds impossible on the face of it.

Record it with a cam and still in there ? Hm. Improbable.


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