I'm back shooting and need to know what you want.
 

This was a post in Evie's thread that I thought deserved a better reply.

We use to do very well with BG videos and could shoot them based on the sales on the Internet. Was not a good profit yet still worth it. Then all the DVD content hit the scene and sales plummeted. Looking at some of the DVD scenes I am confused why.

Mostly badly shot, cheesy and faked. But the girls were American so I put this down to the reason they sold. It was not price or quality because rendering from a DVD will never give the quality of rendering from our Mpeg or AVI version.

I'm shooting now and will be doing so for 3 months and eager to know what people want. Sales drive supply, give me a clue what you want and I will think about shooting it. But please don't ask for non exclusive niche or styled content, like girls in red fish net stockings, that do not sell in a wide market.

The idea of non exclusive is to sell a scene 10 to 20 times to cover costs and provide a profit. Not exactly saturation. :winkwink:

For the record the best profit content we shot is the girl.girl lesbian stuff.

Hardcore g/g. Girls that will fuck each other with toys or a strap-on. Girls that will actually eat each other out. That is what I am looking for for my girlfriends video gallery. Hard not to find stuff that looks fake as hell. Grr.

Some true upskirt content, that shit is hard to find.

There are several paysites that say they are "upskirt" but none cover the niche well

i agree, and more scissor sex, seriously. but yeah, girl girl thats passionate is always good

girls need to pull each other's hair a little, say dirty things to each other, just do random kinky shit :D too much lesbian porn right now is just two girls licking each other and saying ooooo oooo oooo then switching and doing the same thing :(

Yeah sad really, because they are not lesbians to begin with but hey, for an extra $100 bucks a set, can you pretend to be one? You can tell they are trying but they are truly disgusted with the thought.... :2 cents:

Id really check tat2jr set of sites out. nichemoney.com

Now back on subject, paul I may need to speak to you about a bulk purchase of your other stuff. Random teen.

We do have some real girl on girl content, the girls did it for real and it shows. But here you have a quandary, this is in reply to others asking for "real".

In my long life I have been lucky enough to see a lot of real girl on girl action and in reality they do not use strap-ons, toys or those things that let gynecologists look into their pussy. They kiss a lot, they stroke a lot and it can be 15 minutes or more of fore play that bores the shit out of most porn viewers, bores me and I'm there waiting for my turn. :1orglaugh

They don't usually give each other the kind of orgasms that sell on the Internet. To describe it best the "make love". Sometimes it gets passionate but not often and not what will normally sell.

Now real lesbians are different and lesbian sex can get heavy, but real lesbians rarely turn up for porn castings. :winkwink:

So that's the reality, here's what I do. Tell the girls what I want and tell them how to do it. If they don't I send them home. If they start to fake it, do those horrible fake moans and start stroking each others arm with ooohs and aaahs and flick their tongues instead of kissing I stop them and tell them to do it right or go home.

Here's some advice to custom content buyers. Get the right shooter and give him the power to send a faker home. Tell him you're not buying faked content and if a girl can't fuck with passion, gusto and for real she can FUCK OFF!!

Sharphead, most girls who turn up in porn are bi sexual or open to fucking a girl. What puts them off is what we are making them do. Had many experiences of shooting girls who spent the night before doing exactly what they want to do and then get on set and faking what we want them to do.

And forgot to say. If you want us to shoot three GG scenes in a day for $800 each we can do it, but don't expect a great scene. Girls will have to fake it if they have to do three scenes and especially if they do some of the things asked.

If you want it real you have to make it real. One scene with the girls giving everything should mean it's time to go home when it's finished. Two scenes with everything given is a hard one, three is impossible unless you have very special girls.

Started shooting up skirt sets 20 years ago for some UK magazines. It was the the pantie less type of content and needs special care on lighting. Could shoot some exclusive, not sure about non exclusive as from personal experience not sire it will sell enough.

Foot fetish...hard to get good content!

Fem Dom, get those hot teen girls to lay the smack down on some guys. Abuse them, tease them, make them hurt real good. That shit sells soooo well.

Man abuse is a seriously undermarketed niche in this industry because most guy webmasters don't like to look at it.

yeah and real foot fetish... toe sucking, vaginas and toes, messy foot jobs.

real content is what sells these days, surfers with real kinky fetishes don't like fake staged stuff, they can tell.

B/G hardcore! :)

Trannies all the way.

thats the problem with all niche stuff - of course there's a demand for upskirt, foot fetish, bdsm etc. non exclusive content - but how many people are there that would buy it? 5? 10? 15? not enough to make money on the content at regular prices. and if those sets are sold at higher prices to cover that people complain. :2 cents:

Paul - can you please get your models to do self shots? The more amateur looking the better. I'm thinking of the kind of thing you see in dating profiles. And maybe sell only a set number of sets. I'd be willing to pay a premium if you limited the supply.

Your phone sex clients would love you forever if you did femdom stuff, Paul.. So I echo what she said. It'd be a great paysite for you too.. TeenFemDoms ;)

How about we make a video and show them how real it gets:winkwink::winkwink:

Paul, why is it that even if you shoot something today it still looks like content from the 90's?

Cause he's not sufficiently metrofag ?

Take full advantage of your new relationship with Nessa Devil ... Solo, G/G, B/G, whatever!!! :)

Some interesting stuff posted re: fake girl/girl action.

All I have to add is: HUMPING! I love seeing girls humping each other, real fuzzbumping, mound-grinding, snail-trails on the thighs, clit-to-clit action. Tribadism is what comes naturally to me and looks the horniest, as far as I'm concerned. Like cats in heat rubbing themselves awkwardly all over everything.

Meow!!!

:thumbsup

I learned a new word today!! TRIBADISM hell yeah :1orglaugh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribadism

i had a cat like that - we sterilzed her

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That makes two of us! Hahaha

more scissor sex , heh

Also called "The Clam Slam", as you can see on many of my girl-girl videos.

I will go check out the g/g that you mentioned. I need girls that are into it.

i love watching what you're calling clam slamming and scissor sex - but if you think it's real lesbian sex you're wrong - i forget what lesbo told me this but she said that it's a male pornographer thing and not something real lesbians engage in or get much pleasure from.

You're singing off my hymn sheet. LOL

Not all and obviously none here, ;) , can't afford to buy exclusive or even pay a premium for semi exclusive or a limited number of sales. And yet everyone say these sites convert and everyone should get into niches. :upsidedow

Then they accuse content providers of shooting to a very general formula. Can't have everything. LOL

Been shooting it for some exclusive clients and now shot some for semi exclusive. We do it on the castings and the girls a very general and wide ranging. Hit me up on ICQ.

Because the porn buyers are more likely to be 38 to 58 than 18 to 38 (kids). I see a lot of porn that appeals to what I term as kids. Why try to fill a market sector already flooded with content and sites?

In fact I think sites with 1990s content would sell very well.

In all the years I have watched and filmed girls having sex I HAVE NEVER EVER seen girls do this for their pleasure. I have seen girls use toys on each other, even seen a girl use a strap on dildo on a girlfriend. But never seen scissor sex. Obviously I have lived a very sheltered life and not seen enough girl on girl sex. So as soon as Eva is better will be putting this right. :1orglaugh

However this brings up a point. Are shooters producing what we think the surfer wants or what the surfer will buy? Tough one and everyone has a different opinion. Amp says I should shoot 2008 style, not sure what he means by that, it might be a style that appeals to younger surfers. Some ask for reality while others ask for the opposite.

I'm listening. If you want clam slamming I will try it out, the problem is if it turns the girls off it's a real problem getting them turned back on again. Doing it for real requires the girls to get turned on.

Who is she? Post a picture please.

Are any available on sites other than Sapphic Erotica?

Anyone know of any sites other than SE that has tribadism in large amounts?

My LesbianCheerleaderSquad.com and LesbianTeenyboppers.com sites under CherryPimps.com feature a lot of tribadism.

Mutt, contrary to what your female friend said a lot of real lesbians are into tribadism. Not so much bisexual girls however. But more importantly than that even is the fact (yes, fact) that a lot of lesbian porn connoisseurs are into it!

If you aren't seeing chicks humping, then it's probably because they're "learning" stupid shit from porn and have lost all sense of the natural way of things or are embarrassed to do it the way girls start doing it when they're young.

A lot of women orgasm by indirect stimulation, including having the right muscles tensed/flexed, legs closer together instead of far apart, etc. All stuff that works really well with humping.

Most of the pre-porn sex I had with chicks was like this. HUMPING. And I can't imagine a real lesbian dismissing it as something only staged by men, since most men are totally clueless about this.

Fucking truth.

Most movies are shot by people who don't buy porn and not got a lot of idea why people do buy porn. They think a porn buyer wants to listen to a moron male stud repeat the same cliched phrases over and over again, phrases that in real life would get the girl laughing or leaving. Or 25 year old girls who are clearly faking it and screaming "Fuck my tight teen age cunt."

And the classic, girls moaning like they're having an orgasm while giving head. :1orglaugh

Sometimes I think the shooters would be virgins if they were not shooting porn. :1orglaugh

What I think we need is a new orafice

WASHINGTON? Jaded by the sight of what it deemed "run-of-the-mill" orifices, the nation's pornography-saturated populace released a statement Monday demanding a new bodily opening to leer at. "At this point, staring at an anus, vagina, or beckoning mouth has become so commonplace that it is no more titillating than ogling, say, the human elbow," the statement read in part, its list of demands specifying that the new orifice, wherever its location on the body, must be concealed by some sort of clothing or shroud during the majority of the day, so that the viewer grows more eager for its eventual revelation when its covering is seductively removed. "If at all possible, we'd prefer some sort of self-moistening orifice that grips tightly enough to constrain fingers and foreign objects, but also gapes wide enough to fit a human head." According to pornographic historians, there hasn't been a public outcry like this since 1989, when the nation's mainstream pornographic-film industry pacified its audience by unveiling the first penetrable asshole

There is no ''standard" when it comes to shooting...If there are customers to buy it, then it's good porn..

If you think you can do better, shoot "better quality" porn and take the industry by storm...Then kick ass and take names...

Otherwise..................................

What is "better quality" ?

Some think it's HD cameras with crap lighting and the content still a girl on a sofa type porn. But it's HD so it has to be better. :1orglaugh

Some think it's high production and lots of money. One top producer from the old days is convinced dubbing over the girls fake moans in a film that costs thousands, and I don't mean two, is the way forward.

Some think it's shooting a niche no one else is shooting. Because few buy it.

You're right, it's governed by the customers. Obviously the above is dead right better quality and all those companies shooting the above are selling hand over fist. :Oh crap

I have been formulating an idea that I will be shooting a few test scenes of soon. Then we will see if it's better quality. I go by the consumer buying.

Another quote I think of interest...

For an industry sorely lacking in market research, there are certainly a lot of unspoken rules in porn: ?Don?t have too much storyline,? ?don?t get too artsy,? ?stick with cliches; they sell!? The drab, insipid list goes on and on.

I?ve come to suspect that these rules are not the result of what audiences have truly asked for ? rather, they?re what satiates the lowest common denominator. Or to be fair, perhaps it?s just that the average consumer has resigned his or herself to the fact that when it comes to porn they shouldn?t expect much by way of quality: not technically, not performance-wise, and certainly not from the dialogue.

The funny thing is, it takes just a little imagination.....

Nessa
 

From one of your earlier threads ...
fucking-around-and-business-discussion/846374-girl-custom-taking.html

I like your thinking

They might of, but today there is no reason for someone to buy this type of porn other than the convenience of downloading and quality. Tube sites will provide this level of porn in scene after scene. All the same they just change the girl on the sofa and sometime talk to her. Often it's just a straight anonymous fuck that's clearly faked and clearly false. Why sign up to a site with 100 scenes like this when you can go to a Tube site and get 1,000 for free?

For 8 years the emphasis has been on exclusive content and that's good. But then the buyers just shot the same scene or similar time after time and the exclusiveness only mattered to the industry and had little meaning to the consumer. Girl on a sofa porn is just a girl on a sofa, different girl, guy or sofa does not make it exclusive to the consumer prepared to pay for it.

So what does make a scene exclusive? Build up, storyline or situation and the girls personality, character and reactions all make it real. The sex will always be the same, a pussy being fucked, fingered, licked, or done with a dildo is always going to look the same. A scene should have no more than 10% pussy close up, once in every position is good enough. And if the girl is faking it badly showing her face is not a good idea.

So why has the industry got so out of touch on what the customers want to buy? I include the DVD industry as well on this as some of their content is total garbage. Private dub over the girls faked moans so badly it makes their scenes a joke.

The drive over the last 10 years has been to put more titles on shelves year after year for the same cost. Include more traffic to sites and more sites. If you continually drop the quality of what you sell you get to the point of the buyer asking himself why should he buy.

Welcome to 2008.

You can of course continue to blame others for stealing your disgruntled customers and spend more money sending more traffic to sites that continue to see worse ratios. But those who step out of the rut and produce what the customer will buy will win.

My mate who shoots exclusive was shooting her. She's available exclusive only.

I like sexy toes .... big turn off if a girl has ugly toes....:thumbsup

No it's not. Was talking to a mate last night who has shot for and been published in Leg Show, Leg Sex and a few more leg and foot fetish mags. He also shoots a good video. Problem is if you want top end stuff it's not cheap and exclusive only.

Needs a good model with good body, legs and feet. Then a pedicure and manicure. If you want to got for the top end stuff you need the clothes to go with it. Not a scene that can be churned out 5 a day for $2000. :1orglaugh

The way cameras have become cheaper it becomes cheaper and cheaper to produce increasing quantity of quite reasonable shots. We quantity overwhelming quality the answer has to be to produce material not available for free everywhere.

This could be the niche "one armed dwarfs with cats " or what the photographer Videomaker contributes in quality.

This interesting thing is that not only do the latest cameras allow hundreds of shots to be taken but also now hold and capture the quality that used to be only with film. So now lighting /props a girls beauty can be captured...

I believe you are based in Prague, so are lucky in having access to the most beautiful girls. That gives you a big head start.

Of course how you adapt to this changing world is for you. For us, agreeing with you that one girl on a sofa is like another, is to turn away from quantity and to make less but better and better. Only the best girls, having stories, lighting, good sound music.... and trying to find ways a giving the client the movie in the best quality possible given the limitations of the internet.

It is good that you post these threads, I find them the most interesting and ones that are useful

Based in Brno Moravia where the girls are better.

Yes I agree we have to get away from the quantity/price approach and go to shooting something 1,000 others can't shoot. Tubes will always out do us on quantity. But it's not just about the quality of the image, it's about what the image does to the imagination and desire of the buyer.

Thanks for the compliments. I like to talk about what we all sell.