Bill Clinton at the podium
 

C-SPAN for an uninterrupted feed.

Ovation going on 5 minutes now. He looks like he wants to get out of town.

I wonder if he will explain the difference between his illegal wars and Bush's illegal wars.

No but I bet he'd buy you a one way ticket out of this country if you wanted.

You can come back when Anarchy rules.

I dont want anarchy. I just dont want our soldiers fighting illegal wars and being true to our constitution :thumbsup

strong speaker. That was a good choice to give a speech

Sounds good to me :thumbsup

Karl Rove couldn't say anything bad about the speech so instead he claimed that Bill Clinton went off script.

I'll stick to C-SPAN for the rest of the night. I can't stand pundits.

great speech made some excellent points. Really the republicans screwed things up, why not give the democrats a chance to see if they can fix things again. why continue down the same line with the same party.

just like in the net business, if somethings not working you switch it up why continue with the same set of plans over and over hoping that it'll final work. people are so die hard and blinded by backing only 1 party, just give the democrats a chance to fix things. if it doesn't work then you can say clintons reign was luck.

there is little difference between the dem and rep parties. Bush was closer to a democrat than a republican in his foreign policy.

McCain has publicly admitted he talked to Kerry to run as VP during 2004. McCain has a former dem as one of his top picks for VP, Lieberman. Lieberman will be talking at the GOP convention.

Biden has openly admitted he would have liked to be McCains VP.

Both parties agree that for invertentionalism is the way to go. Both parties believe in nation building. Both parties believe in a welfare state. Both parties believe the fed has the right to print dollar bills at will. More to the list but Im lazy right now.

This is why elections are so close. Because we dont have a real choice. Or at least we are told we dont.

So how are they different again?

Bill did great OBAMA 08

Which Bush, since both went to war without a declaration of it? Or maybe Reagan, he did it too.

Or are you talking about Clinton and the Haiti conflict, or the bombings in Sudan and Afgan over nerve gas plants, or the Iraq air strikes for a clear reason? I'm just trying to figure out which "war" you are talking about, they weren't really wars.

Not saying he shouldn't have declared war but this issue goes back well past Clinton and deep into the Republican party too.

Sure buddy, keep on thinking that.

my point is if you have a rep senate and rep president and things just keep getting worse regardless of any similarities they may have they're still different. one party is known to favor large corps and the rich, and the other party tends to favor middle class and poor.

i'm just being openminded... and not being a blind sheep thinking "my party' should be the only party ever to run this country. just see what happens with democrats in control, will things get better? you can't say no to that, cause tell you give it a chance.

Kosovo to start. A war that looked a lot like the Russian/Georgian war

Of course it goes past Clinton. But lets not pretend that the dem party is against bombing the shit out of third world countries. When we should not even be near those countries to start with.

The dems do not favor the middle class or poor. Creating a bigger welfare state does not help those that are poor, it keeps them poor.

But I get your point. I want Obama to win. Regardless. Even though I dont sound it. I just hope people hold Obamas feet to the fire or we will regret it deeply in the future.

Wasn't Kosovo a NATO thing? That's the big difference, it's not a U.S. invasion. I'm not saying it makes it correct, and yes shit loads of innocent people died.

I guess I can see how that is like Iraq, but I think even the right still call Kosovo a conflict. And we didn't really invade Kosovo in the idea of how we have invaded Iraq, that really can't be ignored either.

Don't forget how the public was openly lied to about the purposes and reasons behind the Iraq war. First it was WMD, then it was that Saddamn had dealings with AlQaueda, then finally when neither was found nor proved, it was the freedom of the Iraqui people.

The thing is, we DID have a choice. When someone like Ron Paul was running for the nomination.

If people wanted real "change", they would have acted.. But no.. American's don't want change, they want the status quo to remain, which happens to be dominated by neo-cons at the moment.

And, just the plan idea that he was a murder of his own people, gassed people, mass graves of people, beat his own people, starved his own people.

Not saying that gave us the right to invade, lots of jacked up shit like this going on in the world and we aren't invading them.

Maybe I didn't make it clear in my post, but my point was that neither of the three things I mentioned had anything to do AT ALL with the invasion.

As if the people had any say. In school we learn that anyone can become president. That's a total lie.

I was just adding to the list of bullshit excuses that got used to try and cover the lies about the invasion for oil.

Really, I would have a lot less problem with what we did if we just flat admitted it was for oil control, said f-you people, and while we are here we are going to free you sand turds from this jackass we put into power, while we steal your damn oil and call it payback.

Yep.

Alaska Republicans gave U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens, currently facing a federal indictment, a primary victory on Tuesday.

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Stevens faces trial next month on seven felony charges, and political analysts say these primary results could set the tone for the November vote.

Federal prosecutors allege Stevens lied on Senate disclosure reports to conceal more than $250,000 in home renovations and gifts from oil industry executives. He was caught up in a federal investigation of corruption in Alaska politics that has seen three state lawmakers sent to federal prison and two more awaiting trial. All five are Republicans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...601548_pf.html