2257 question about IDs
 

Lets say we shot a model sept 1..... Then we shoot her sept 12th...Can we use her picture holding the ID in front of the face from sept 1? Or we need to shoot it everytime we shoot model.

My point is if she is 18 on sept 1st she is not getting younger on sept 12th...What does 2257 say about it.

That is a stupid question.

Where in 2257 does it say that you need her holding the ID in the first place?

As a content provider who sells to US webmasters, why in the hell don't you already know the answer?

As a content producer I would be embarrassed to ask this question in front of your peers and customers.

Becuase my customer told me that 2257 does require model to hold id in front of the face every time they shoot. not used Arhvived picture from previous shoot...So 2257 does not requaire it? If you know the answer please let me know too.

What is to be embaresed about? our 2257 is all in takt. All i need is the correct answer....
For now we have 7 page 2257 form filled every shoot, shot ID in front of the face and many times even shoot CNN page of the date of the shoot. Plus video of model holding the ID...

But if some times we have model pics holding id from previous shoot. Is it wrong?

You're customer either lied to you or is simply an idiot.

The ONLY picture of the model that is required by 2257 is the one on her actual ID.

Maybe you should listen to an attorney's 2257 suggestions rather than your client's.

It is?

How in the hell do you know that when you obviously know fuck all about what is really required?

I'll bet you a grand that your company is not 2257 compliant as of this very second.

You game?

Dear AaronM! Thank you...Here what he wrote to me


When a shoot is done, photographer shoots
> a model holding the ID. The model should look exactly the same as in
> the shoot.We will not be accepting "archived/filed" ID shots. This is
> not something we came up. It is 2257 regulation in the US.

Like I said, your client is either lying to you or is an idiot.

You gonna take my challenge or not?

Becuse leagal deparment who is off now handles 2257..That is why i needed fast answer becuase i am speaking with my customer..Tomorrow i would know when my lawer comes o work...But i needed th answer now...Thank you

So you are claiming you are compliant but now that you are being questioned on it, you are backing down.

OK.

Noted.

Perhaps, but then again the only really dumb questions are those that go unasked.

Methinks this poster would have been wise to use a fake nick in this instance however :2 cents:

Not everytime they shoot...
First time Only is fine.
You did Good to ask, dont listen to those asswhipes that think they know everything :)

FYI, you're also wrong in MANY instances.

If you're going to call me an asswipe, at least know WTF you're talking about.

Holding it up by her face,LOL

you watch to much Dave Chapelle

It's a one time thing as long as she is on contract

The picture of the girl holding her ID isn't required by 2257, it is however a good cover your ass. We shoot that once for each new girl we shoot. We also do a video of them saying that they are not currently under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and that they were in no way forcefully coerced to take part in the shoot. When we sell content to others we do include the pic of the girl holding the ID. But it isn't something that needs to be filed with your 2257 documents for your records if you were inspected.

So to answer your question. Personally I would just make sure you have 1 clear shot of the girl holding the ID for your own records, and if your customers request it I dont see any harm in passing it along.

We shoot in an area that is covered by the recent 6th court decision so currently its unconstitutional in our state, but we still make sure we maintain our records as required, and above and beyond those requirements simply to cover our own asses if we ever have any civil suit, or any questioning at all we have everything to make certain there is 0 question.

Also wrong.

This is why you fuckers should get lawyers.

www.xxxlaw.net

Now there's a good answer.

Props to you. :thumbsup

"7 page 2257 form" :1orglaugh

Phew Glad I read up good on that shit. :winkwink:

What ! ! !
She has to be covered in spunk ? :helpme:helpme:error:1orglaugh

How many models look the same on shoot day as there ID photo?

VERY WELL SAID!!

I use the same 15 guys over and over, i re-use the pictures i have on file. I only need to prove that whoever i shoot is of age at the time i shoot them. Thats it..

Hope this helps..:2 cents:

I recommend you check the iD's 1st before you shoot. And check them to see if they are real. If you find out that they are fake and that she is 17 after you shot her, you will go to jail.

Even if the ID's looked good. Ignorance of the girls real age is no excuse when it comes to the law. She is of legal age or not!!


No if ands or butts, just jail!!!



Check your ID's 1st before you shoot anything!!!! I have caught and turned away 17 year old girls with fake ID's 2 times. If i shot them i would be in jail!! and the companies would also be liable.

Be careful and smart..:2 cents:

You have to look to 28 CFR 75.2, which reads in relevant part --

Each time you shoot you need a new copy. If the ID is not valid ie., it expired on Sept 10th in your example, then technically your records will not be in compliance if you are ever inspected. As for holding it to her face, this is a industry custom and practice but it has no basis in 2257 or the related regs.

Michael...
Since it says the information...need be current - wouldn't that mean that the relevant information (i.e. legal name, DOB) is the key factor, and that there is no requirement that the document on which it is confirmed needs to be current? In other words, if the driver's license expired on Sept 10 and the shoot was on Sept 11 - where is there a requirement that the license be current? Isn't the fact that the information on the license is current (the model's name and DOB wouldn't have changed in one day) enough to satisfy 28 CFR 75.2 (c)?

That's exactly WHY this 2257 law came to be.
On september first she could be 17 and she could be 18 on september 12th.
I choose my studios very carefully. I don't sell content for every guy that sends me an email with a great story.

All you really need is the picture of the ID. Does not matter when it was shot or where.

I printed my favorite model's ids and hung them in my Den.

Quoting it for emphasis and so it's not missed.

Hm. I had no idea of this one. Since I shoot myself all the time for my own site, I need to take a photo of my own ID every day I do a shoot?

No meter, I think

I have to admit, there are some real stupid fucking answers in this thread. Some of you better hope you don't get inspected.

If a customer tells you before hand to dress the girl in a big bird suit for the 2257 and you agree then you do it. It is not what 2257 requires but what the client is asking for and you agreed to. We require much more than what 2257 does and this helps us make sure we are not getting old content that the producer shot a long time ago. It sounds like in this case you did not work out all the specs with your client or maybe they just don't want to pay you for the content.

Here's the issue... how hard is it to get a current digital photo/color copy of the models ID at the time of the shoot ? Not very... so why would you want to make that argument in case you are inspection -- weigh the risk v. the time/effort necessary to comply...

No offense, but I have no idea of what you are getting at. Care to explain it again? What does his situation have to do with old content or getting old content?

The id might prove she is 18 but the content could have been shot earlier = old content.

It just sounds like she's shot at a company with a really protective lawyer. Look at it this way. You get "visited" and the popo are going through your age docs and they have a particular model they are concerned about and you have her photo w/ID from that shoot. Life will be a lot easier on you. So its not 2257 required at all, but if I was your lawyer or a lawyer it'd seem like good advice to make your day of reckoning a lot less painless.

Depends.

Do you plan on turning yourself in anytime soon? :)

Understood...but I'd like all the shooters reading this thread to estimate how many times a girl shows up with a recently expired DL or other ID. I don't attend many of our shoots, but I know I've seen it several times just as an occasional visitor. It's sometimes harder to get a "current ID" than you'd think, especially working with semi-pros :(

That makes sense, but if you are a honest content producer, you don't pass off old content as new to your client :winkwink:

Just my :2 cents:

why would you need to shoot it every time? The birthdate does not change on an ID.

Wise words :thumbsup

Righto, then.

Because it is the law and complete documentation must be with each shoot regardless if you shot the model 100 times. Hope this helps :winkwink:

I am talking about if you already have her ID on file. The model release would provide the date of the shoot, there is no need to reshoot the ID every time, if you scan the ID, like you should do anyway, it's gonna look the same every time, pointless.

For 2257's you do not have to have a picture of them holding their ID's. You just need legible copies.

I understand, but it is the law, regardless if you have her ID on file several times. We are always sure to have that Id with file for that shoot. We create a copy of the Id and I take a pic of it proving that I had all necessary documentation at the time of the shoot.

Have you ran this idea by your attorney? What did he advise you to do?

This isn't rocket science.

You look at her ID each and every time and if it's the exact same ID she had last time around, and it's still valid (i.e. unexpired), then there's no need to xerox it again.

It is imperative however that you look at it because the old ID may no longer be valid.