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Most Overrated Rock Bands

06-20-2008, 10:09 AM

I know I am going to get a lot of shit for this but The Rolling Stones thread got me thinking again...

I happen to think that the 3 most overrated rock bands in history are the following (in order)

1. Kiss (just fucking awful, I simply don't get it)

2. Aerosmith (tolerable before Steven Tyler's voice went to shit)

3. The Rolling Stones (don't get me wrong, I think they are damn good, just not the geniuses they are made out to be and certainly not even in the same company as The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc.)

Please discuss and add your own.

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06-20-2008, 10:10 AM

Yeah the rolling stones I would have to say too

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06-20-2008, 10:23 AM

I've never understood the Kiss thing either.

And while I hesitate to call them a "rock band" I really don't like Tenacious D.

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06-20-2008, 10:24 AM

rolling stones for sure, and kiss

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06-20-2008, 10:27 AM

Yeah you are right....and I will even risk to add U2 to the list....

I used to love them but when I was a student i worked at HMV (a music store...I dont think you guys have it in the states) and U2 was my boss's fav band....I cant listen to them anymore....

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06-20-2008, 10:28 AM

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06-20-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by PennyLane

add U2 to the list....

Can't BELIEVE I forgot them. I think they would take number one in my personal "most overrated rock band" list.

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06-20-2008, 10:31 AM

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06-20-2008, 10:33 AM

Overrated? Got to be Oasis. Touted themselves as "the next Beatles" lol

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06-20-2008, 10:39 AM

Rush. All their songs sound the same and the vocalist sings through his nose.
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06-20-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by marcop

Rush. All their songs sound the same and the vocalist sings through his nose.

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06-20-2008, 10:51 AM

Hard to say. Music is all a matter of opinion. I look at the list of bands listed so far, and all I see are great rock bands who each were pioneers in their own way. Now if you want to really talk overrated bands I would go more with the "corporate" cookie cutter bands of recent years: Like Nickelback. I'm a member of a Pro Tools Studio discussion group and a guy took a song from two different nickelback albums and removed the vocals and put one song on the left side and one song on the right side of the balance. Guess what? It was the SAME exact track. Just with different lyrics and melody with the vocals! LOL!
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06-20-2008, 10:59 AM

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06-20-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by tyler (durden)

I know I am going to get a lot of shit for this but The Rolling Stones thread got me thinking again...

I happen to think that the 3 most overrated rock bands in history are the following (in order)

1. Kiss (just fucking awful, I simply don't get it)

2. Aerosmith (tolerable before Steven Tyler's voice went to shit)

3. The Rolling Stones (don't get me wrong, I think they are damn good, just not the geniuses they are made out to be and certainly not even in the same company as The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc.)

Please discuss and add your own.

I pretty much agree with you... Though Rollings stones are 1 for me... Though I can understand why they have sold that many records

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06-20-2008, 11:02 AM

Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, Pearl Jam

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06-20-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

Hard to say. Music is all a matter of opinion. I look at the list of bands listed so far, and all I see are great rock bands who each were pioneers in their own way. Now if you want to really talk overrated bands I would go more with the "corporate" cookie cutter bands of recent years: Like Nickelback. I'm a member of a Pro Tools Studio discussion group and a guy took a song from two different nickelback albums and removed the vocals and put one song on the left side and one song on the right side of the balance. Guess what? It was the SAME exact track. Just with different lyrics and melody with the vocals! LOL!
Talk about corporate bullshit with no artistic value at all.

Thats why I love to listen to indie music (Wolf Parade, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Modest Mouse, the Walkmen, Wintersleep, Bloc Party, And you will know us by the trail of dead, etc...) My parents raised me with 60's, 70's, 80's music and I have to agree all those bands are pioneers and I still like to hear some of their songs here and there (except U2 hehe) its like part of my culture...

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06-20-2008, 11:06 AM

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06-20-2008, 11:09 AM

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06-20-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

Hard to say. Music is all a matter of opinion. I look at the list of bands listed so far, and all I see are great rock bands who each were pioneers in their own way. Now if you want to really talk overrated bands I would go more with the "corporate" cookie cutter bands of recent years: Like Nickelback. I'm a member of a Pro Tools Studio discussion group and a guy took a song from two different nickelback albums and removed the vocals and put one song on the left side and one song on the right side of the balance. Guess what? It was the SAME exact track. Just with different lyrics and melody with the vocals! LOL!
Talk about corporate bullshit with no artistic value at all.

Exactly, and this is the first real opinion to this topic posted here.
The rest are just subjective prefferences.

Even I hate Status quo for example and I think their music is not listenable unless you feel like a parody or had 10 beers already, they still at least toured and lived like rockers so one of the dudes actually lost a part of his nose one morning cause he snorted too much coke.

Not like the nowadays douchebags with trimmed D'Artagnan moustaches, leather trousers from Armani with an insurance on their ass for 1 mil. $ filling the gap for the young that want "pseudo rock" thing, trying to look "rough" in every lame music video they put up on MTV.

I know what these bands have in their contracts, been there before.

Kiss ? of course it was a great deal of show and promotion, the hairy chest of Paul Stanley and one feet long tongue of Gene Richards what made them, but try to put together as many catchy songs as they did. And another thing - listen to that music through the ears of the time they went big on the charts.

U2? I think they suck ass lately and that they are taking themselves too seriously after having their asses kissed for years, but show me companies with a more recognizable sound and universal impact on the audience as they did with their great 80's albums, especially Joshua Tree.

What band would win my tip for the lamest super popular act?

Linkin Park

Once I saw that video when the dude is screaming with his semi mutating semi pubescent voice of urgency and there are these shots how the world suffers, that made my choice clear - I would actually recommend them to move their equipment and recording fascilities to the Neverland, maybe if they put together their minds with Michael Jackson they'll find a way how to finally save the world.

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06-20-2008, 11:14 AM

I think lots of bands that got bigger due to image or a catchy logo or a fashion trend would fit the list...

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06-20-2008, 11:15 AM

Led Zep. They are the original Tube site. They took every song they ever recorded from someone else. I'm calling them Led Zango from now on.

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06-20-2008, 11:16 AM

1. Elton John
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3. Bruce Springsteen

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06-20-2008, 11:16 AM

compared to the music they make these days ... most of these bands that are here listed are gods

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06-20-2008, 11:16 AM

Almost ALL of the newer ones.

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06-20-2008, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Rockatansky

I pretty much agree with you... Though Rollings stones are 1 for me... Though I can understand why they have sold that many records

Thats the problem.

Its hard to say somebody is overrated when they can sell out stadiums.

I mean how much bigger can you get? Overrated compared to what?

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06-20-2008, 11:29 AM

always wondered if Kiss would have been big minus the makeup from the start. that part was bigger than the music for awhile. remember the Kiss dolls? lol
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06-20-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by ajrocks

Led Zep. They are the original Tube site. They took every song they ever recorded from someone else. I'm calling them Led Zango from now on.

Do you even realize WHO were Led Zeppelin?

One well known guitarist who was a legend in his very young age, one very proffesional musician and arranger and two guys from the worst part of Birmingham that had nothing but soon became legends of their own.

Do you even realize Led Zeppelin were nobodies when they started in UK, that they refused TV play they refused talk to media for a decent while and their ONLY strategy was to play the hell on the stage, to crush all the bands they headlined to get their audience?

Do you realize it wasn't until they hit America that they started to rezonate with the audience and received somewhat a cult following among the "undisciplined and bad" youth, that their concerts started to fill by word of mouth more than anything else? and that they were hated and ignored by the music press of its time?

Is that the way how to become overrated? Of course there is a bunch of people who onlu know "Starway to heaven" but shouldn't they? if it's the most requested song on the radio of all time?

Jeez when I saw Page with Plant after all these years live on their tour and I was getting shivers and my heart stopped beating time from time, is that what the overrated bands do?

Those guys were, are and always will be legends, and they deserve it, I don't see any other view applicable.

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06-20-2008, 12:03 PM

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06-20-2008, 12:06 PM

There are a lot of great bands listed in this thread. It just goes to show that music is subjective. I could argue that a lot of people are way of base with their choices, but that is like arguing over if you like peas or not. If you do great, if not, I can't convince you they are good.

I do have to agree with the Zeppelin stuff though, a lot of people know them as the worlds greatest and most popular cover band since pretty much every song on their first record they stole from other acts. They were recently forced to give those original acts credit on their new greatest hits album. I also agree with the Kiss thing. I have actually seen them live a few times and it is a pretty fun show, but they are so overrated. They basically had a couple of hit songs and were able to milk those songs into a decades long career.

But enough about them. You want lame and overrated. Pretty much turn on any popular radio station these days and write down just about every new band you hear. Today it is all about the single. A band will come out with a hit single and every talks about how brilliant they are and what big stars they are and what impact they will have and then a year later they fall off the map never to be seen again.

Many of the classic bands out there benefited from a lack of competition and a record industry that was interested in developing lifelong acts, not hit records. If Bob Dylan came out today he wouldn't get a record deal (or he would get signed on a small label and never be more than a footnote in history).

I would also say, while I'm not a big country music fan, most country music these days is overrated. I was driving with a couple of friends the other day and first a song came on by a group called Big and Rich. He loved it and I thought it was one of the worst things I had ever heard. It was like country rap. Then another song came on that was kind of rocking. He says he loves this new style of country music that is a little more rock influenced. I said, "You know, I liked it the first time when they called it The Eagles." So I would put many of the newer country acts on the overrated list as well.
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06-20-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Do you even realize WHO were Led Zeppelin?

One well known guitarist who was a legend in his very young age, one very proffesional musician and arranger and two guys from the worst part of Birmingham that had nothing but soon became legends of their own.

Do you even realize Led Zeppelin were nobodies when they started in UK, that they refused TV play they refused talk to media for a decent while and their ONLY strategy was to play the hell on the stage, to crush all the bands they headlined to get their audience?

Do you realize it wasn't until they hit America that they started to rezonate with the audience and received somewhat a cult following among the "undisciplined and bad" youth, that their concerts started to fill by word of mouth more than anything else? and that they were hated and ignored by the music press of its time?

Is that the way how to become overrated? Of course there is a bunch of people who onlu know "Starway to heaven" but shouldn't they? if it's the most requested song on the radio of all time?

Jeez when I saw Page with Plant after all these years live on their tour and I was getting shivers and my heart stopped beating time from time, is that what the overrated bands do?

Those guys were, are and always will be legends, and they deserve it, I don't see any other view applicable.

I agree 100%. Robert Plant is a genius. Not an accidental legend. He = Rock.

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06-20-2008, 12:15 PM

Pretty much everything here and: Nirvana. Yeah, I went there.

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06-20-2008, 12:17 PM

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06-20-2008, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by fartfly

compared to the music they make these days ... most of these bands that are here listed are gods

1000% agree!

I see U2 in this thread, any U2 from Joshua Tree (mid-late 80's) onward I will agree with but if you listen the old raw stuff prior.. it is pure original genius. They still have a guitar sound that's never been duplicated.

Say what you will about Zep, musically is one of the most talented bands and way ahead of their time. If you are not musical or don't play either bass, drums or guitar I don't think you can truly appreciate the talent in arrangement and style of musicianship they put out.

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06-20-2008, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by tyler (durden)

I know I am going to get a lot of shit for this but The Rolling Stones thread got me thinking again...

I happen to think that the 3 most overrated rock bands in history are the following (in order)

1. Kiss (just fucking awful, I simply don't get it)

2. Aerosmith (tolerable before Steven Tyler's voice went to shit)

3. The Rolling Stones (don't get me wrong, I think they are damn good, just not the geniuses they are made out to be and certainly not even in the same company as The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc.)

Please discuss and add your own.

Most rock bands are over rated thats part of the deal. But what I think you are trying to say is what are the most over rated 'greatest bands' My list would include:

1. Yes - Lots of talent little pay off
2. Rush - Still trying to figure out why people like them
3. Genesis - Sorry Tim nothing against your Dad but once Peter left so did the ideas
4. U2 - 3 ok records doesn't make a legendary band
5. Journey - Actually I am starting to like them more and more as I get older but I still think most of thier stuff is garbage
6. Kiss- Whatever i may have liked about them when i was 13 has eroded with time and the family jewels show
7. Janes Addiction - Talk about hype
8. Beastie Boys - one great record and 20 years of hype
9. Rolling Stones -Haven't done jack shit in 35 years.they were fucking awesome in their day though and you can't take that away from them
10.Pink Floyd - I actually fell asleep at a concert.
11. Bruce Sprinsteen - wayyyyyyyyyyyyy over rated. Early stuff great, sux now

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06-20-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by nation-x

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06-20-2008, 12:41 PM

I have a secondary question for this thread. I've read a lot of responses that say something like, "They put out a couple of great records then nothing since." Or "good earlier on, but suck now." So I ask:" Can you forgive the sins of the present and still celebrate the past?" What I mean is this. If a band makes 1 or 2 amazing records then doesn't do much for years and years, does it diminish the brilliance of those 1 or 2 records. That is 1 or 2 records that most bands would never put out.

Most bands have about a 3-6 year period where they do their best work. There are very few acts ever that maintain their genius through all of their career. If they put out a couple of legendary albums during that high point, then the rest of their career only put out mediocre stuff does it diminish the quality of those other great records?

Here is an example. Guns n Roses puts out Appetite for Destruction. In my opinion it is one of the all time greatest rock records ever made. After that they were never really the same. Lies Lies Lies has a few good moments, but not many. The same is with the Use Your Illusion discs (actually Slash even says if you listen to the Illusion discs you will hear the sound of a band breaking up.) Then they had the punk cover album which kind of sucked and supposedly a Axl is putting out a new album soon (they have been saying that for a decade now) and it is most likely going to blow. So do all of these lackluster followups make Appetite any less of a masterpiece?
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06-20-2008, 12:56 PM

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06-20-2008, 12:59 PM

Led Zeppelin
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Nirvana
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06-20-2008, 01:02 PM

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Wow. My thoughts exactly, except that anyone that thinks the Stones are overrated and not in the same category as the Beatles, obviously knows nothing about rock's history.
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06-20-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by kane

I have a secondary question for this thread. I've read a lot of responses that say something like, "They put out a couple of great records then nothing since." Or "good earlier on, but suck now." So I ask:" Can you forgive the sins of the present and still celebrate the past?" What I mean is this. If a band makes 1 or 2 amazing records then doesn't do much for years and years, does it diminish the brilliance of those 1 or 2 records. That is 1 or 2 records that most bands would never put out.

Most bands have about a 3-6 year period where they do their best work. There are very few acts ever that maintain their genius through all of their career. If they put out a couple of legendary albums during that high point, then the rest of their career only put out mediocre stuff does it diminish the quality of those other great records?

Here is an example. Guns n Roses puts out Appetite for Destruction. In my opinion it is one of the all time greatest rock records ever made. After that they were never really the same. Lies Lies Lies has a few good moments, but not many. The same is with the Use Your Illusion discs (actually Slash even says if you listen to the Illusion discs you will hear the sound of a band breaking up.) Then they had the punk cover album which kind of sucked and supposedly a Axl is putting out a new album soon (they have been saying that for a decade now) and it is most likely going to blow. So do all of these lackluster followups make Appetite any less of a masterpiece?

Your point is well made. A bands shelf life is relevant to how long they can sustain whatever crazy lifestyle they are living and whatever drug is fueling said lifestyle. That lifestyle directly impacts the quality of the songs they are writing. Exile on Main Street would be a great example of genius coming through through the drug induced vision of people at their creative peek. Which exactly why the Stones, Dylan and all the other suck today. They can't take drugs like that anymore. It take allot of energy to conjure that shit up and covert it into something good. I can totally appreciate a band for whatever great works they put out but that doesn't mean I won't ever forget that Van Halen thought Sammy Hager was better choice as a singer than David Lee Roth and put out a bunch of crappy songs.
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06-20-2008, 01:32 PM

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06-20-2008, 01:36 PM

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Pink Floyd overrated? The band may not be for everyone, but they have put out classic after classic.

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06-20-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by fartfly

compared to the music they make these days ... most of these bands that are here listed are gods

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06-20-2008, 01:48 PM

Wow, I didn't think this thread would get this type of response. Anyway some additional thoughts:

I should have included Journey as a tie with Kiss as the #1 most overrated band. I can't fucking stand Journey in the least bit, to the point where I have walked out of several bars when "Don't Stop Believing" comes on. Not to mention people go on and on about how epic they were.

Also, in terms of being overrated, I didn't include any contemporary bands because they haven't been talked about being great for decades; I guess should have titled the thread Most Overrated Rock Bands with some sort of Legendary Status.

Anyway, I also agree that U2 should be up there. They are like the Stones to me, really good but not genius great.

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06-20-2008, 02:05 PM

Art is most definitely NOT subjective.

You can't argue otherwise!

You have to have perspective, intelligence, knowledge and experience.

Most people looking back have no clue.

Smart people get it. They got it back then. They get it now. They'll get it in the future.

The dumber ones just fumble their way through with a label maker trying to say what is what and never really appreciate art.
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06-20-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by mvee

Your point is well made. A bands shelf life is relevant to how long they can sustain whatever crazy lifestyle they are living and whatever drug is fueling said lifestyle. That lifestyle directly impacts the quality of the songs they are writing. Exile on Main Street would be a great example of genius coming through through the drug induced vision of people at their creative peek. Which exactly why the Stones, Dylan and all the other suck today. They can't take drugs like that anymore. It take allot of energy to conjure that shit up and covert it into something good. I can totally appreciate a band for whatever great works they put out but that doesn't mean I won't ever forget that Van Halen thought Sammy Hager was better choice as a singer than David Lee Roth and put out a bunch of crappy songs.

I think drugs and booze and the lifestyle has something to do with it, but I think a lot of it is just simple artistic shelf life. Most great artist, be they painters, writers, musicians or whoever have a limited number of great works in them. The drugs and booze might have helped them bring that out, but I think a lot of people like that are kind of like an explosion. They blow up, are hot as fire then burn out. It is very rare that any artist does great things again and again over decades.

That said I think the Dylan has recently put out some amazing records. His newest stuff is raw and emotional and I think it comes from him opening up with getting older and understanding that he is not perfect.
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06-20-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by tranza

Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, The Doors...

None of which are overrated.

Try again, bot.

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