Can you name more than 4 programs that do mid xxx sales still using 3rd party
 

I can only see 4.

Oblique question. I have no idea how to answer. I'm assuming you mean 3rd party billing.

In that case, no, I cannot.

yes billing

Topbucks = Epoch
TCG = Epoch or ccbill (depends on site)
BangBros = Epoch
NastyDollars = Epoch

LOL, and now i'm stuck on 4!
WG

BangBros = Epoch
NastyDollars = Epoch

Are same there is one more LOL

Per day or month ?

day..........

royal cash i believe is epoch

I dont know if they are that big though, but pretty big.

SpunkyCash JayManCash is third party I think. FtvGirls TeenRevenue? Or am I wrong on all those?

never heard of them

otcash.com and soniacash.com

twistys... i thought i saw shap posting stats doing around that much.

Ya twistys Im sure too.

Twistys
Bang
TopBucks
TCG
Nasty
Brazzers
Ftv
VideoBox
Videosz
Braincash
Hegre
Metart
Ns
Vivid

14 on that list and I'm sure there are another 6 i'm missing.

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There's alot of such programs. If you can't think of more then 4, then you dont know the industry well :)

ATK - CCBill

DVDs For a Buck = Epoch

if you think all those programs are doing mid XXX sales a day you're nuts - lots of those programs aren't.

My list or the ones that others listed?

xxx signups a day would equate to around 6-7k members steady ?

I think a safe assumption is for every 100 sales a day you average for 6 months you would see on the high end 10000 members and on the low end 5000 members.

Yea, it depends on the retention base of the members. I give them far less retention then you do tho, since many have horrible member areas, but i agree with you.

With that beeing said, there are alot more then 4 of such sites, i could think of around 20 without too much thought that use ccbill/epoch/vxsbilling