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corvette 05-07-2008 06:11 PM

True h.264 Adobe Flash 3.0 Streaming released
 
the latest and greatest in streaming + theft protection, was released a few weeks ago. anyone have any experience with it?


Adobe Flash 3 supports H.264 video encryption, also known as MPEG-4 Part 10, or MPEG-4Advanced Video Coding, the latest standard for True High Definition Streaming. H.264 compresses video much more effectively than older standards and at substantially lower bit rates by using multi-picture inter-picture prediction, variable block-size motion compensation, quarter-pixel precision, and other technologies to encode video with approximately 3 times fewer bits than comparable MPEG-2 encoders.

To address the growing security concerns over content theft and ?Tube? site publishing, Adobe Flash 3 supports Encrypted RTMP streaming, which helps prevent stream ripping software from copying the file to offline locations. Additional features include FMS 3, known as SWF hashing (verification) by which a signature of the SWF file is created and used by the FMS server to ensure that the stream can only be deployed within the signed SWF file. This form of stream protection is very difficult for any stream ripping software to penetrate.

teg0 05-07-2008 06:17 PM

In other words, let the cracking begin

stickyfingerz 05-07-2008 06:18 PM

Big thumbs up on this. It is a beautiful thing. Glad to be in on the beta Mark! :thumbsup

mikesouth 05-07-2008 06:20 PM

Now this is interesting I have a 3 chip avchd camera and the quality is unreal. high quality HD comes in about 1.3GB/30 mins

Id like to play around with this, comcast is saying 32megabit/s will be available to all customer by mid 2009, FIOs is here now....this is the future.

dready 05-07-2008 06:30 PM

H.264 is the new video standard.

Brad Gosse 05-07-2008 06:32 PM

We have been encoding h.264 for a few years now, it's the best looking video at the smallest sizes.

webmasterchecks 05-07-2008 06:35 PM

This has been one of the most promising technologies to discourage the theft of content to date.

Its where content providers are going to have to concentrate on now, before it gets on a tube site and gets replicated to dozens of other sites.

Glad its finally out

Catalyst 05-07-2008 06:37 PM

yea.. but doesn't it have to load all the way before flash start playing it.. I couldn't get an mp4 to start streaming right away.

stickyfingerz 05-07-2008 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catalyst (Post 14163457)
yea.. but doesn't it have to load all the way before flash start playing it.. I couldn't get an mp4 to start streaming right away.

No. The reason is the Atom Moov meta tag is set at the end of the video. You have to change that. Be glad to show you how to do that Rich if you need.

whatif_3 05-07-2008 10:02 PM

whats the difference? does anyone have any examples?

DirtyDanza 05-07-2008 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14163341)
Now this is interesting I have a 3 chip avchd camera and the quality is unreal. high quality HD comes in about 1.3GB/30 mins

Id like to play around with this, comcast is saying 32megabit/s will be available to all customer by mid 2009, FIOs is here now....this is the future.

how are you compressing..


our true HD is like 2 gig per 7 min on file size...

and then it just go's up there in size depending if we capture in prores422 or not...

we shoot HDV and RED though... I never liked the avchd for some reason.. but I know lots say that about HDV and for some reason I LOVE hdv.....

DirtyDanza 05-07-2008 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14163467)
No. The reason is the Atom Moov meta tag is set at the end of the video. You have to change that. Be glad to show you how to do that Rich if you need.

your going to need to get a mac back if you want to hang with the big boys on HD dood hate to have to say

seeric 05-07-2008 11:04 PM

anything that can be seen on a screen can be ripped. easily. show me one of these files and i will show you a wmv in no time at all. none.

DWB 05-07-2008 11:14 PM

what the guy above me said....

webmasterchecks 05-07-2008 11:34 PM

never mind

BrianL 05-08-2008 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webmasterchecks (Post 14163442)
This has been one of the most promising technologies to discourage the theft of content to date.

Its where content providers are going to have to concentrate on now, before it gets on a tube site and gets replicated to dozens of other sites.

Glad its finally out

We are going to be rolling out some demo clips in the next week before Webmaster East. The Quality of the streams is impressive, and we can do live or on demand.

The process to do Encrypted streams as well as SWF validation is going to be a relatively simple one from our end, this will be the closest thing to a true DRM you are going to be able to get as a full service offering for a while. Adobe and Level 3 have done a lot of work together and some big name players in non adult have signed on to being anchor tenants on the service.

We also are very close to working out the details of a service which will do all the encoding for you to h.264 as it can be tricky and converting a decent sized library is no small task.

stickyfingerz 05-08-2008 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 14164015)
your going to need to get a mac back if you want to hang with the big boys on HD dood hate to have to say

What does Mac have to do with that exactly? I know how to get a h.264 mp4 to play right away with out preloading first and I can do it on a GASP PC. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

stickyfingerz 05-08-2008 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14164019)
anything that can be seen on a screen can be ripped. easily. show me one of these files and i will show you a wmv in no time at all. none.

Yup and I can show you how to make a really great pie. It only takes me 3 hours or so and requires me to make the crust, and pie filling and bake it etc, eh fuck it Ill just go pay the bakery 8 bucks and save the 3 hours.. See :winkwink: If you think they are getting the same quality with a screen capture program I kind of doubt it.

stickyfingerz 05-08-2008 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14164019)
anything that can be seen on a screen can be ripped. easily. show me one of these files and i will show you a wmv in no time at all. none.

Btw a simple thing that can be done is when encoding for h.264 use a different watermark than what you normally do for your other content. I bet you see very little of it on tubesites or on torrentsites.

I bet that less than 15% of the ripped off content out there came using a screen capture setup. IF that.

KellyKayne 05-08-2008 09:04 AM

Anyone want to convert a bunch of videos for me?

stickyfingerz 05-08-2008 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KellyKayne (Post 14165277)
Anyone want to convert a bunch of videos for me?

Hit up Bryan L he has a 3rd party that is doing this correctly that he can hook you up with I believe. :thumbsup

DirtyDanza 05-08-2008 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KellyKayne (Post 14165277)
Anyone want to convert a bunch of videos for me?

for a nice sloppy blowjob ill get some of my editors to convert your stuff for ya

Bossman 05-08-2008 09:12 AM

Next week we will have 2 members areas changing from wmv to h264 streaming - looking forward to the change :thumbsup

mikesouth 05-08-2008 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 14164013)
how are you compressing..


our true HD is like 2 gig per 7 min on file size...

and then it just go's up there in size depending if we capture in prores422 or not...

we shoot HDV and RED though... I never liked the avchd for some reason.. but I know lots say that about HDV and for some reason I LOVE hdv.....

Im using the AVCHD straight from the camera.

Karupted Charles 05-08-2008 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianL (Post 14164780)
We are going to be rolling out some demo clips in the next week before Webmaster East. The Quality of the streams is impressive, and we can do live or on demand.

The process to do Encrypted streams as well as SWF validation is going to be a relatively simple one from our end, this will be the closest thing to a true DRM you are going to be able to get as a full service offering for a while. Adobe and Level 3 have done a lot of work together and some big name players in non adult have signed on to being anchor tenants on the service.

We also are very close to working out the details of a service which will do all the encoding for you to h.264 as it can be tricky and converting a decent sized library is no small task.

Will this be a service offered to your current CDn customers or will it be separate. I have to say this is very exciting technology that we are very interested in working with.

kesha1 05-08-2008 09:50 AM

So, it has a direct AVCHD conversion? I hope Premiere will finally read AVCHD as well!!

BrianL 05-08-2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KellyKayne (Post 14165277)
Anyone want to convert a bunch of videos for me?

Kelly, hit me up on ICQ. I am doing these on a case by case basis right now we can go over what you need done.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-08-2008 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14164019)
anything that can be seen on a screen can be ripped. easily. show me one of these files and i will show you a wmv in no time at all. none.

Uhh...
Not this time mano. The stuff is pretty good for security, goes far beyond trippin in the cache.

stickyfingerz 05-08-2008 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14165634)
Uhh...
Not this time mano. The stuff is pretty good for security, goes far beyond trippin in the cache.

Im assuming he is referring to Screen Capture recording.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-08-2008 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14165670)
Im assuming he is referring to Screen Capture recording.


LRN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!11

BrianL 05-08-2008 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karupted Charles (Post 14165449)
Will this be a service offered to your current CDn customers or will it be separate. I have to say this is very exciting technology that we are very interested in working with.

This is a service open to all interested customers. We will have some folks turned up in the next week or so and I will share the videos for folks to see.

stickyfingerz 05-08-2008 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianL (Post 14165692)
This is a service open to all interested customers. We will have some folks turned up in the next week or so and I will share the videos for folks to see.

Brian has been great to work with. :thumbsup

tony286 05-08-2008 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossman (Post 14165316)
Next week we will have 2 members areas changing from wmv to h264 streaming - looking forward to the change :thumbsup

so they wont be able to download clips anymore? Can you let us know how that works out,Im curious if there is no downloading how the customer will react.

stickyfingerz 05-08-2008 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14165727)
so they wont be able to download clips anymore? Can you let us know how that works out,Im curious if there is no downloading how the customer will react.

Its what needs to be done industry wide. Maybe the increased quality will give everyone reason to stop the "you get to keep the product even though you rented it" deal..

TheDoc 05-08-2008 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14165727)
so they wont be able to download clips anymore? Can you let us know how that works out,Im curious if there is no downloading how the customer will react.

I'm not sure with this technology, but with other DRM solutions you can offer downloadable movies that remain protected. And a few of the dvd sites are running flash with no or less accessible, download options... the features are pretty extreme, just about kill the need for a download.

Bossman 05-08-2008 11:09 AM

When we change over to h264, then we will also remove the download options, and see what kind of responds we get :)

BobG 05-08-2008 12:32 PM

interesting stuff

BrianL 05-08-2008 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14165742)
I'm not sure with this technology, but with other DRM solutions you can offer downloadable movies that remain protected. And a few of the dvd sites are running flash with no or less accessible, download options... the features are pretty extreme, just about kill the need for a download.

We have offered a windows media DRM offering for quite a while, but it never really gained any traction, we still have it for anyone who is interested.

Delivering content in protected streams may not replace the existing model , but it certainly creates options.

quantum-x 05-08-2008 01:48 PM

If you're talking about FMS3, which I assume you are, don't get too excited.

You still can't record or stream live in h.264 - you're still stuck to FLV + NellyMoser [closed source audio]

Even more painfully, it still only supports Actionscript 1.0 on the server side.

FMS has always offered reasonably secure streaming.
Unfortunately, this is more hype than real.

seeric 05-08-2008 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14164930)
Btw a simple thing that can be done is when encoding for h.264 use a different watermark than what you normally do for your other content. I bet you see very little of it on tubesites or on torrentsites.

I bet that less than 15% of the ripped off content out there came using a screen capture setup. IF that.

if it goes to tubes who really cares anyhow? those people sacrifice quality for endless amounts of whackable material.

webmasterchecks 05-08-2008 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14167229)
if it goes to tubes who really cares anyhow? those people sacrifice quality for endless amounts of whackable material.

that makes sense. and would affect programs like perfect gonzo, ND, etc less, because their product is differentiated more than tube content.

so i guess the ones with lower quality video would care more

tony286 05-08-2008 05:03 PM

I look forward to read more as people report back. My only reference is when we first started we disabled the right click so people couldnt save pictures and we almost had a riot. lol

Matt 26z 05-08-2008 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14167229)
if it goes to tubes who really cares anyhow? those people sacrifice quality for endless amounts of whackable material.

You need to seek treatment for your piracy tourettes.

In fact, you just created a thread a week or so ago saying how you tried to rip music off of YouTube, but were forced to buy it instead because you didn't like the quality. You then went on to say that paysites need to offer quality materials to attract customers.

Flip

flop

flip

flop

Matt 26z 05-08-2008 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14167229)
if it goes to tubes who really cares anyhow? those people sacrifice quality for endless amounts of whackable material.

Here, you can answer that with your own post from your thread "PREMIUM CONENT VS GOOD ENOUGH CONTENT" on 05-03-2008:

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14144716)
THE YOUTUBE COMPRESSION SUCKS MY NUTS!

I would rather pay...

You know what, there are lots of people like me.

...


There you have it. There is "good enough" for people who won't buy anyhow. AND, Premium. For the sophisticated audiophile. Please apply this to your adult bizness.

hahahahah

Shill.

whatif_3 05-08-2008 06:44 PM

dude, why you fucking with airek? hes one cool dude

Catalyst 05-08-2008 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14163467)
No. The reason is the Atom Moov meta tag is set at the end of the video. You have to change that. Be glad to show you how to do that Rich if you need.

Neat.. i am reading about that now.. what program do you use to change it?

stickyfingerz 05-08-2008 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catalyst (Post 14167702)
Neat.. i am reading about that now.. what program do you use to change it?

QTIndexSwapper which runs on Adobe AIR

seeric 05-08-2008 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14165634)
Uhh...
Not this time mano. The stuff is pretty good for security, goes far beyond trippin in the cache.

not talking about the cache.

im saying that anything can be ripped from the screen. anything. the quality will be good enough to upload to a tube or share easily.

i absolutely love this codec though and i commend its developers on the accomplishments alone in file sizes to quality. :)

seeric 05-08-2008 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14167385)
Here, you can answer that with your own post from your thread "PREMIUM CONENT VS GOOD ENOUGH CONTENT" on 05-03-2008:



hahahahah

Shill.

correct. :) :thumbsup


my posts are not diss oriented at all, why would i diss my buddy mark for such an awesome advancement, i love corvette and everyone over there.

seeric 05-08-2008 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 14167367)
You need to seek treatment for your piracy tourettes.

In fact, you just created a thread a week or so ago saying how you tried to rip music off of YouTube, but were forced to buy it instead because you didn't like the quality. You then went on to say that paysites need to offer quality materials to attract customers.

Flip

flop

flip

flop

i just downloaded 55 torrents of the newest movies on the planet, bought 11 tube sites, and snagged and ice cream cone from a 2 year old at the supermarket on the way home.


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