Max Hardcore hung jury
 

I saw on YNOT that Max Hardcore got off the hook with a hung jury in California.

Well, i'm glad he was not convicted. It just makes an obscenity conviction very tough in the USA.

But I will not "congratulate" him. He is not a "hero" for the adult industry.

I am sad that there is apparently a huge market for content totally based on the degradation of women. That's what keeps the guy in business.

And I am NOT a prude.

Women are beautiful creatures, our mothers, our daughters. Certainly girls sign model releases and submit to it. It just proves that you can defile people for money.

I hate that sort of shit, and I wish more people did.

lol

are you kidding me? You are in the porn biz. EVERYTHING about it is degrading to women.

I LOVE IT!

I don't think it's degrading to women.....

Women come into my office - my clean office - and we take some hot / sexy photographs. In return, I pay them a lot more than they can make at Taco Bell in a week. They don't get fondled, they don't get touched.

It's hot, not degrading.

6 posts... are you gonna make it to 7th before lens bans you again?

Welcome to the wonderful world of <font size=+5>Gor</font>

You may be in the wrong business.

mmmm........taco bell.....*drools like homer simpson*

YEA RIGHT!!! - you know that you,steve and tanker are bangin those babes - don't lie we know the truth
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can you link us to the complete story?

NOT a cool attitude P1mpdog :(

But I do like your sig.. that looks cool :winkwink:

Well said, but certain aspects CAN be.

That's great if Max didn't get convicted. Don't those cops and right wing feds have anything better to do than harass law abiding citizens?

Why don't they go and arrest some more terminally ill people for smoking pot instead. :)

Congrats to Max if this is true, I'd like to see an article.

Found an article:
http://avn.digitalod.com/query/index...11373&for=news

What bullshit that it was a hung jury instead of an acquittal. They must have found six right wing Simon-supporting nutcases to sit on the jury.

Six fucking idiotic people voted to put Max in jail for making legal, constitutional porn.

Now the DA is talking about a retrial.

Fuck.

I dont see what the big deal is with Max Hardcore. These girls aren't forced into being in the videos, they're asking to be there.

I beg to differ. And if it's so universally degrading to women, what kind of pathology motivates you to participate?

I haven't really followed the case so correct me if I am wrong. Wasn't this about anal and/or fisting images/video?

Be a man.

This thread has irony written all over it.

I'm no fan of Max, nor of the dreck he produces, but I love The First Amendment, and no one is putting a gun to those girls' heads?or if someone is, then there is a criminal case to be made. Until someone proves otherwise, I can only assume they have freely calculated that whatever he pays them is worth being consensually raped.

I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep if a tree fell on Max while he was walking down the street, but I don't think this is a matter for the police and courts.

Was the case about anal and/or fisting or simulated rape?

No, the case was about obscenity, but it was selected for prosecution because one of the girls in the Max Hardcore movie at issue has a line where she says "I am only 12 and 1/2 years old", and then of course Max blows out her mouth, pussy, and ass with loads of cum big enough to fill the grand canyon.

That really boiled the blood of the prosecutors.

degredation without representation our foreskins(err fathers) sayeth!

and id also like to know who the poor chap was who had to examinate the jury to find out if they were hung or not?

I knew a girl that brought up a good point once, she wasn't talking about Max, just porn in general. She said the biggest difference between porn flicks and real life is in porn women act pretty much like men. Ready to fuck anyone, anytime.

She concluded by saying yes, women behaving like men is degrading to women. :)

Riight, just shot two girls today. They earnt $500 each if they had of worked in Tescos (Lucky's) they would earn $170 for the month.

We have a strict no touching, no fondling, no sexual harrassment policy when shooting.

But the site of me in my GFY shirt
is sometimes too much for them.

RocHard a girl must never be forced coerced, treated as inferior, degraded or insulted. Either as an individual or collectively. I always remember that I have a mother, two daughters and a wife.

However she can be treated as sexual and desirable. If they are selling their bodies purely and only for the money, there is a word for it. Look up the definition of prostitute.

Never forget, girls like sex and when they look beautiful and sexy, making a pass is allowed. Just never assume because she is doing this work she's available.

It's hot, not degrading.
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Sounds pretty boring to me. If want to watch that, there's plenty of it on Skina-max. I for one find much of Max's work highly jerkable. But hey to each his/her own. There was nothing illegal about the video. There are no heros here, just pervs trying to make a living.

We have a strict no touching, no fondling, no sexual harrassment policy when shooting.

There's a difference between sexual harrasment and shooting hardcore porn. With HC, obviously the sex is on camera and everyone consents. Try and get over on girls off camera and you're a scumbag plain and simple. Porn is a job like any other and the ladies need to be respected, no matter what kind of nasty shit they are doing onscreen.

As for Max, the idea that six douche-bags voted to throw his skinny ass in the slammer is really disturbing to me. Personally, he's never been anything but cool with me - I called him out of the blue to talk biz, and we spoke for hours about all aspects of porn and politics. Really nice of him to give a joe-schmo porn newcomer like me his ear, and continue to. If Max or any of his people are ever in NYC, I'm buying the first round. :drinkup

This country is going to shit with the Bush/Asshahahahaha Christ-brigade in charge.

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I think if you let it degrade you then thats your prob. The industry doesn't do it,you (the girl) decides what she's willing to do or not do.

True. It is a womans choice if she wants to enter porn and degrade herself.

What makes you think it's degrading to women?
Do you respect the women you work with? You're making a living off them,I really think you should respect them.It's their ass thats keeping you alive.

I don't understand this industry...why is Larry Flynt a hero and Max Hardcore the anti-Christ? Larry gets heaped with praise and gets a Hollywood movie made about him....Max Hardcore meanwhile catches shit. Sure Max is more extreme, but if his content is not considered obscene, I'd say that bodes well for the rest of ours' content...

Just remember that the proverbial little blue haired old ladies in the Bible belt consider softcore stuff like Unseen produces JUST as bad as what Max produces...

Everyone needs to thank those "fringe guys" for making everyone else's stuff more "mainstream"

well, personally, to me, shoveling french fries for a bunch of overweight pinheds who bitch about everything is degrading, but yeah, porn is too....there are different levels...I think it's more about exploitation than it is degredation. We, as pornographers, do exploit the fact a girl can make as much by shooting for us for a couple hours than theyc an make dipping french fries in a week...we exploit the fact that if we pay them more, we can get them to do more.

As for the degradation, how do you think the fathers of those women who pose nude feel about their daughters' nude photos?

Turn off the radio, Pathfinder.

I respect a man or a womans right to do porn but I do not respect them for doing porn. Sorry, no woman/women keeps me alive.

Ariba, ariba, the "Six Amigos" ride again. :321GFY

Me personally...I have been offered quite a bit to do things I don't belive in and would never do. And didn't take it.
Some girls do I guess because they need the money,but some don't. Don't get me wrong we all need the money but some of us have more morals then others I guess.

I was brought up to believe that being nude is perfectly normal.
That your body is beautiful in every way. My father doesn't know what I do but I think if he did he would be proud of me.

In what I do I do not degrade myself.Now if I was letting guys come all over me,doing gang bangs etc... Then I don't think he would like me to put that on the web.

I do nothing thats degrading to me. I sleep with one person and one person only. I don't fuck animals,I don't do things I don't believe in for more money.
I'm making my own way in this world.I'm supporting a family of 5 with what I do.I'm not on welfare or whatever else is out there to support a person.
My living is clean and honest.
I know he would be proud of me.

And now for the token female opinion...

I know next to nothing about the Max Hardcore case, other than what I've read on various wm boards, but IMO it's a damned good thing he didn't go down for making his videos... good for the industry, and good for our First Ammendment rights, not just as porn slingers but as people in general.

You all call porn "degrading" and "exploitative", and I really don't agree. Kudos to any woman who has a great enough body and the balls to expose herself on camera! Porn models and actresses are paid VERY well for what they choose to do, and it IS a choice! To me, these arguments are as ridiculous as saying that football is degrading to men or that hockey is a practice in male exploitation. If these women opt to use the tools they were given to make a decent living, more power to them! THEY obviously don't have a problem with it or they'd be secretaries and soccer moms. Give them a little bit of credit for having the brains to make the choice!

You show me one straight man who doesn't fantasize about women multiple times a day. Show me one straight man that doesn't sprout a stiffy watching a porn film or even seeing a hot babe in the supermarket! Sure, porn is about women and some of the onscreen "fantasies" might be a bit off the beaten path. The only disturbing aspect of it for me is that members of the psycho contingent will see a simulated rape movie and thing, "Gee, if they did it in this movie it must be okay!" But you're going to have a helluva hard time convincing me that if porn movies were wiped off the planet tomorrow, rapes and physical abuse of women would stop, 'cause I don't buy it.

Lighten up, fellas, and don't assume that women are being "used and abused" by starring in porn films or in front of a camera. There ARE options, and it's not easy to break into Adult Hollywood... they have to work hard and earn their places as "stars", and I'd be willing to bet there isn't one of them that feels the need to apologize for the career path she has choosen to walk.

Just my :2 cents: Agree with me or don't, but at least acknowledge my right to have a slightly different opinion :)

Sorry I think you're missing something here.Let me explane...
You're making your living off (models) right? Isn't that what webmasters do?

If you didn't have the models or affiliates then what would you be doing? You make your money off these ppl right? If not please explane because I must be missing something here.

Which in conclusion, brings me right back to what I was saying in another post about we're (models) keeping you alive. If you didn't have models then you wouldn't be making money in this industry.

AMEN!!!! :thumbsup

I like the way you think and thank you :)

Actually I sold my business two or three weeks ago to my manager/partner/friend, but even while I was in this business I had, and have, other sources of income. So I will repeat that a woman/women do not keep me alive. I do understand the point you are making, and as I stated I respect a man or a womans right to do porn, but that does not mean that I should, or do respect them, for doing porn.

I'm sure Max explained to the models exactly what type of shoot he planned on doing with them. They could have opted out then. If they felt uneasy about anything during the shoot they could have stopped then also. They may have to give back the money, but they aren't forced to complete any acts they don't wanna do. Personally I don't get off on degradation. In fact I don't understand why guys like it so much but who am I to tell someone they shouldn't produce that type of content solely for the reason that I don't like it? That sounds like the mindset of the right wing conservatives we are fighting. On my site I beg the girls for photoshoots and do everything I can to build them up. I absolutely worship these women for deciding to have sex with a fat, white, bald guy such as myself. God Bless America. My favorite saying is Freedom of religion means ANY religion. Leave Max alone.

would you . . . for a million dollars?
be honest

"are you kidding me? You are in the porn biz. EVERYTHING about it is degrading to women. "

... not everything, but almost ...

Touchy subject, and surprising posts.. But I think there's a line to be drawn here that isn't being drawn. Are girls "degraded" by posing nude? no. If they have sex on film, are they being degraded? no! But I can't say I understand why guys enjoy seeing girls suffer on film. To me that's not sexy, and I like sexy. I respect women, and I don't get turned on by seeing women disrespected every step of the way. Which begs the next question.. As Too $hort said, a woman should be treated with respect and class, but a bitch is a bitch, and gets treated as such. A respectable woman with morals would have issues with taking degrading parts, and so it's in her court I guess. I don't think it's wrong for the industry to ask them though.. Touchy subject.

Honestly? No.
For me sex is very intimate. I don't care if someone handed me the world on a silver platter. I was brought up to have morals and respect for myself.

I have too much respect for myself,my husband,kids,friends and family do ever do that to myself and them.

I was offered an all expence paid trip to the bahamas.
The condition was that I had to sleep with other men and women and so did my hubby.

It was a trip for swingers. I said thanks but no thanks :)
I can't be bought. And it pisses me off that ppl think that everybody can be bought. Yeah some ppl can but there are ppl out there they have morals. I happens to be the one with morals

um and what would these models do without someone to pay them to take thier clothes off?

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um and what would these models do without someone to pay them to take thier clothes off? [/QUOTE

aaaawwwww we can all hold hands and do this together then :winkwink:

Without eachother we'd both be nowhere.

A hung jury....

Gotta love how court room lingo and porn go hand in hand.. :)

I agree. The model is there to pose, not to be subjected to uncalled for touching or sexual suggestions. It's a workplace like any other with one or two major exceptions: 1) the employee is getting naked and posing provocatively; and 2) unlike most other work situations, models LIKE physical compliments. They are selling their beauty and sexiness, and unlike working in an office, for example, a well-phrased physical compliment makes the "employee" more comfortable, not less.

What I tell up and coming photographers of nudes is that compliments need to be tasteful and never personalized (e.g., "Your breasts are gorgeous" is a yes-yes; "I'd love to tit-fuck those things" is a no-no). Strangely, there seem to be guys who can't sense the difference.

My attorney once told me (and here I am forced to paraphrase), "If you and a model seem to be hitting it off and you'd like to advance to a social relationship. Wait until she is dressed and has been paid, and then invite her to something not-very-heavy, like coffee. If she says no, that's the end of it. On the other hand, if coffee seems to go well, invite her to something a bit more like a real 'date.' Dinner and a movie or something like that. Once you go out on a date, even if you end up breaking it off, and even if things go pretty sour, it would be very difficult for her to turn around and make sexual harrassment charges stick."

Oh, and I, too, have several women I love, including a daughter. I try to never do anything I wouldn't want her to discover, which is one of the reasons I don't do hardcore.

In the end it comes down to respect.

Have a good Thanks Giving Everybody and a good weekend.