College students say theft is not illegal
 

Students don't respect nothing these days, not authority, not their government, not their country, not companies, not women, not their army, not their family.

Their new idols are Britney Spears and Osama Bin Laden.

No principles, no ethics, no morals.

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David Pogue was shocked to discover that when interacting with an audience of 500 college students only 2 thought downloading music and video is illegal.

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We are facing a generation that feels the purchase of a computer and the monthly access charge entitles them to everything on the internet.

Downloading music and video in itself is not an illegal action until the music or video acquired are illegal.

And before you say it, yes - I am aware that Monsieur le Pogue was asking about illegal downloads, but I just wanted to be a pedantic bastard.

next you're gonna tell me it's illegal to download from tube sites.... :)

retard. downloading music and video is legal.

(if you pay for it)

if thats the question that was therefore asked, only 2 out of 500 students are retards.

Downloading copyrighted materials isn't theft.

You have an orange. I take your orange. You don't have an orange anymore.

Theft.

You have a song. I take a copy of your song. You still have a song.

Not theft.

Illegal? Yes. Immoral? Possibly. Theft? No.

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Great article and some insight into the future.

Xmas13 is steadily becoming the right wing republican version of Pussyserver. A fucking troll with nothing to do but waste people's time.

Sadly this comes back to the fact that PARENTS teach their children NOTHING.

because they've been raised to think that way and for a lot of them, it's the way it's always been...

If people kept stealing cars, and no one got punished for it ever, I would probably start to believe it was legal to steal cars.

In canada downloading isn't illegal but uploading/sharing is.

Wow you sure are bent out of shape

its a hard sell . .

I work 8 hours . .I get paid for ever ? fuck that !


good for me ! I be getting paid till forever .. but .. face it . . I only did 8 hours of work . .

music and movies are making too much for what it is

look at an actors pay . . look at a musicians pay .. .


yeah I know you want new mercedes benz . .yeah I know you want a house in the south of france

fuck you . .

thats the attitude nowadays . . and its kind of hard to dissagree UNLESS its your money / your income . . .

Heard of ignore list? Falcon Marx.

From the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/te...&oref=slogi n

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Nice attitude .... Look at that unused pussy I think I'll take some :Oh crap

Aside from family, I don't see one thing in that list deserving of my respect...

That is a very facile and incorrect interpretation of the law. I think a child could understand that you wouldn't be stealing from the person who "shared" the song in this case, but from the artist who didn't get paid for the use of the song from you, and the thousands or perhaps millions of others who took, used and enjoyed the product or service without paying for it. There are many kinds of theft under the common law including theft of services, theft by deception and other abstract kinds of theft that do not actually involve the physical taking away of an object from it's owner.

This is the most retarded opinion I have ever read on GFY and that is saying something. Most actors and musicians are broke. And even if they are gazillionaires already they ought to be able to earn gazillion + $x if they sell another unit. Unless you are a communist, I can't see how one could set an arbitrary limit on their earnings. It's just a childish concept expressed in bad English prose.

How can they learn respect when their govt goes to war based on lies and for the most cares nothing about them? How can they learn respect when fortune 500 companies screw them and their parents over. Big business in this country nor the govt has any respect for the college students or anyone else for that matter, so how can you expect them to learn it.

I like this guy

great post, now if you can explain that to steve "captain caveman" jones we would be getting somewhere

However i would make one change

it only illegal if you don't have a fair use right to the content (backup, recovery, time shifting) or you haven't paid for the content thru your taxes (canadians and the CIRA ruling).

It wouldnt suprise me if music will change into adverts - mentioning products in all songs to get money from the advertisers.

Not really surprised at all by all of this

Wow this might be the dumbest thing I have read on GFY and that is saying something.

Please don't give failing musicians ideas - otherwise Britney's last song would have been:
"Give me, give me COKE, give me PEPSI, give me MCDONALLLLLLLDDDD'S..."

product placement does not have to be a verbal inclusion, infact it has already happened
some of the major bands/ singer have product placement deals already.

Backstreet boys have a clothing deal, j-lo has own clothing line

by wearing their cloths they are getting paid either by an upfront payment (BSB) or as the percentage of profits from the clothing line.

It's kinda rough though that they feel the same way about porn companies, and so it effects all of our bottom lines :-/

Some musicians feel the same way as the kids. Here's some lyrics from a guy called MC Lars:

Download This Song

It's 2006, the consumer?s still pissed
Won't take it anymore so I?m writing a list
Don't try to resist this paradigm shift
The music revolution cannot be dismissed
$18.98 Iggy Pop CD?
What if I can get it from my sister for free?
It?s all about marketing Clive Davis, see?
If fans buy the shirt then they get the mp3
Music was a product now it is a service
Major record labels why are you trying to hurt us?
Epic?s up in my face like, ?Don?t steal our songs Lars,?
While Sony sells the burners that are burning CD-R?s
So Warner, EMI, hear me clearly
Universal Music, update your circuitry
They sue little kids downloading hit songs
They think that makes sense
When they know that it?s wrong

Hey Mr. Record Man
The joke?s on you
Running your label
Like it was 1992
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can?t compete
It?s the New Artist Model
File transfer complete
Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

I know I'm rhyming fast, but the message is clear
You don?t need a million dollars to launch a career
If your style is unique and you practice what you preach
Minor Threat and Jello both have things to teach!
I've got G5 production, concept videos
Touring with a laptop, rocking packed shows
The old-school major deal? It makes no sense
Indentured servitude, the costs are too immense!
Their finger?s in the dam but the crack keeps on growing
Can?t sell bottled water when it?s freely flowing
Record sales slipping, down 8 percent
Increased download sales, you can't prevent
Satellite radio and video games
Changed the terrain, it will never be same
Did you know in ten years labels won't exist?
Goodbye DVD?s, and compact disks!

Hey Mr. Record Man,
What's wrong with you
Still living off your catalogue
From 1982
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the new artist model
File transfer complete
Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

You know, we just wanted a level playing field.
You?ve overcharged us for music for years, and now we?re
Just trying to find a fair balance. I hate to say it, but?
Welcome to the future.

Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

Hey Mr. Record Man
The joke?s on you
Running your label
Like it was 1992
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can?t compete
It?s the New Artist Model
File transfer complete

I doubt he will ever be on Cribs.

Only a SMALL fraction of actors/musicians fall in the group you are referencing. Very naive on your part. Most of them hold "regular jobs" to pay bills and spend what's left of the paycheck on the pursuit of their dream ( classes, equipement, promo etc. )

I think he has his own "Cribs" video on his website. But yeah, I don't think he's winning many friends at EmptyV.

What about design theft, ID theft, code theft....?

Let's say, i'm a college student, classmate of yours and i download your homework without your permission. You would not mind? You still have the original, so it doesn't matter right? Let's say, i'm pissed at some whore, i break into her computer, download photos, and publish/sell them on the internet. No problem?

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. :)

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Maybe you wern't around when the internet was born but that's the way it was actually... anything and everything was up for grabs...

It's this brick and mortar mentality everyone gets stuck on when trying to apply it to something that is virtual.

Actually, you would be violating the copyrights of the artist. Copyright infringement is the appropriate term here, not theft.

While copyright infringement is illegal (like I already said in the post you quoted), using the term "theft" only serves to make it harder to analyze the issue on its own merits. That's because it effectively asserts as fact that intellectual property is a valid concept which functions exactly the same as tangible property does. Since this is the very issue that is being debated, using this terminology is a simple logical fallacy.

Compare it to abortion. When talking about abortion, using the term "murder" instead of "abortion" already implies a conclusion, making it impossible to have a rational, unbiased debate about the issue at hand.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement
Amendments to the 1976 Copyright Act
With the passage of the so-called No Electronic Theft Act (NET Act), US copyright law was changed to allow for the civil and criminal prosecution of persons allegedly engaged in copying of copyrighted works without permission that did not result in personal financial gain; historically, the criminal copyright law required infringement to be for financial gain. Among other things, the NET Act altered the definition of financial gain to include bartering and trading. In addition, under this US law, members of software piracy groups could also be prosecuted for participation in a criminal enterprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NET_Act
The United States No Electronic Theft Act (NET Act), a federal law passed in 1997, provides for criminal prosecution of individuals who engage in copyright infringement, even when there is no monetary profit or commercial benefit from the infringement. Maximum penalties can be five years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines. The NET Act also raised statutory damages by 50%.

I bet only a handful GFY people have read this...


Bunch of idiots on this board.

Your analogy assumes that a person's ability to control and profit from his/her own creative works is not a form of property that should be legally protected. That's a rather dubious assumption. When I acquire your song without your consent, I appropriate for myself your right to control and profit from your own creative work, i.e., I steal your property.

That was a good article actually... The problem becomes how much is too much? is making galleries with 10 pictures not enough, but 25 pictures is too much? Is having 2 minute videos too much? 5 minute videos?

This is the problem... find the sweet spot and your ratios will follow....

You missed the point entirely.

I am arguing against tendentious formulations. I am not arguing that governments never use tendentious formulations.

Net Neutrality is a blessing for pirates. Content piracy might be illegal, but it's also illegal to act against pirates.

Government and ISPs are powerless, content producers can sue, bitch all day but nothing will be done, because nothing can be done about it.

Your point was "It's ok to steal Vivid and Universal Music", but not to steal you, because "big companies make so much money", and "you are a poor little man".

Next people will steal gasoline because ExxonMobil "makes so much", loot Wal-Mart, because "it makes so much"....etc.

You're an idiot.

Did you read the last line of my first post in this thread? I said copyright infringement was illegal and possibly immoral, but that the word theft was the wrong term.

that's terrible.......

A pirate is not a thief? What is it then?
Are you writing a new alternative dictionary?
Do you borrow a song when you download it? You take it, you use it, you often keep it, and without paying a single cent.
Do you know how much money it costs to produce a popular song or popular movie nowadays? Do you think companies produce $100,000,000 movies so anyone can watch them at home for free with a pirated dvd, using their home cinema system acquired last Christmas?

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