Stickyfingerz .. attention
 

What the fuck are you really saying? To the laymen, so to speak. Are you saying that anyone that isn't using DRM is asking to be stolen and deserves it? What is your solution? Do you condone content theft? Do you think anyone not using DRM deserves it?

You do realize the largest sales of MP3 are from companies who advocate non-DRM right?

Which mp3 companies?

world of mp3? Oh, wait, uh....

Amazon
Apple
does anyone else matter that uses DRM?

Doesn't Apple use a form of DRM?

No. Duh.

"Version 4 of iTunes introduced the iTunes Music Store (later renamed to the iTunes Store) from which iTunes users can buy and download songs for use on a limited number of computers and an unlimited number of iPods. Many songs purchased from the iTunes Store are copy protected with Apple's FairPlay digital rights management (DRM) system."

From Wikipedia.

You have the option to pay $.25 or so more per track for non-DRM files.

Oooh, I'll have to set that up with my iTunes. Thanks for the info. :thumbsup

MMM tasty DRM...

Of course he condones theft, he is a thief. You new here?

Fuck DRM and anyone who use it.:2 cents:

actually Apple was one of the biggest advocates of removing DRM.

...but they still use it, and offer items locked with it. You can't really have it both ways, when both ways are self serving.

Some type of theft protection is definitely needed.

hasn't that been his stance on the issue since this was first brought up a year or so ago do a search of his posts and you will find more of what he believes

it is a pretty sad stance for a content producer

shit's going to get stolen with or without DRM so why bother? with the mp3's I've ALWAYS borrowed peoples CD's and copied them to my computer for as long as I can remember. Of course I can remember it taking an hour or more to rip a CD.

I remember taking my first laptop to my dads house and taking a whole weekend to rip some of his CD's into my collection (I like old rock and he has it all) Is it stealing if my DAD bought the CD? grey area I know...

This shit with HD-DVD/bluray needing specific DRM compatible hardware is retarded. I want to just pop in the movie and play! I have enough power to play it but they force me to run some "hack" programs to bypass these retarded limitations.

The world owes you content right?

Actually, it's theft for you to take it, even if he purchased it. If he loaned it to you, knowing that you were going to steal it, the RIAA would go after him, too. They're dickheads.

I feel that you should allow your content to your members, and allow them to have it when not online, but tying it to a specific DRM codec, or platform, is not going to assist you; it'll be obsolete in months to hours. Just give it a nice watermark in the corner - the lazier bastards won't crop it, and you might get some type in traffic. Or, maybe a unicorn.

Since when are members buying content? I thought they were paying x$ per month to become a member and view the site?

Um, they use it because the record labels require them to, not because they want to. And, obviously, you can have it both ways, because they do.

They're paying for the ability to view the content. It's up to you if you want them to 'keep' it, or not, however, like I was kind of implying, someone's gonna steal it, and find a way to crack the DRM if they care enough, so you might as well throw a watermark on it and throw out an FLV for them to nab; offer a higher quality WMV that has DRM and checks for a current member's reg. That's also fairly easy to break, but again..

They use it because they have to to enforce their abilities to resell it on iTunes. They don't want it, because that means they'd sell more iPods.

I was saying that they're being twofaced about the issue. They can't really profess one and settle with the other 'because they have to' - they're doing just what everybody else does, and going for the best case of where they can make the money. I don't blame them for it, but you can't claim that they're against DRM but just happen to have developed their own because they had to.

For those obviously not in the know, ALL the major music lables have dropped DRM. Try looking it up. DRM doesn't stop piarcy the music industry is juts now figuring that out. A major book publisher recently dropped DRM for good after conducting an experiment in which some of it's audio books had DRM and some didn't. They found that the NONE of the non-DRMed audio books could be found on torrent sites. The ones they did find actually were the DRMed version that had the DRM stripped out of it.

DRM has no effect on the dishonest people and hurts the HONEST ones which are the majoirty. It increases the cost of producing digital content which will be passed on to the consumer. It also makes owning digital media frustrating since DRM limits your enjoyment of it in many ways.

Amazon is the largest seller of digital music. It also sells it DRM free. Coincidence? I think not.

If members downloading and keeping you content is costing you money then DRM is not the answer. You'll either need to raise your membership rates or pay for affilaites less and cut costs other ways. Fact is if I really really want your content DRM is NOT going to stop me.

do cameras come with DRM? if so, his ex-boss should have had one of those.

Amazon just sells what the artist/author/publisher/recording company provides. They would have as much to do with DRM as a store in the mall.

you have no idea what you are talking about, but none the less, carry on, cuz i could careless.

Right, OK. So, They're only pushing DRM because they HAAAD to, but the nice good buddy Apple who didn't want DRM but their hand was forced because Steve Jobs said so in an "open letter", and Steve never lies about things or publishes things that work to his favor like the "Megahertz Myth."

Give me a break. If you want to be self-aggrandizing at least use something to back up more than a "Sorry guys, six years after you started buying our incredibly expensive products, I think it's time I tell you how I really feel about this encryption stuff."

Wow just found this. Hysterical. So I think the best thing to do would be just open up all the members areas.. I mean why bother? Fuck for a 4.00 trial I can download a whole site and upload it wherever I want? You sad fuckers that are thinking of drm from 3 years ago are funny. There is more than one way to skin a cat. If you are saying that trying to secure content from being uploaded and given away freely is a waste of time why are you even bothering in this biz?

Netflix, Vongo, etc etc they seem to manage to not get their shit ripped off. At least enough to keep the studios happy and continuing to allow their products to be sold through them. Hey but fuck lets keep crying about content that is already stolen and out there for free. That will fix the problem.

Its utter lunacy to give up. Industry wide change is needed period. You will NEVER get back what is already stolen. Thats a fact. It has to be stopped BEFORE its stolen.

Shut up fag. If you don't want people paying $4 for a trial and uploading all your shit stop offering trials and make them pay for a monthly membership. I can guarantee you that some guy paying for a trial and seeing all your shit is DRMed is one way to guarantee he WON'T re-bill. So WTF is the point of having a trial?

Ya we dont offer trials.... Love people in the DRM old school box though. Again there is more than one way this can be done.

Dont you have a klu klux klan forum to post on or something?

Sticky if you have this magic plan why not spit it out and help the industry instead of being a annoyance?

Once again ANY DRM scheme you have can be broken. Also are you saying your customers are thieves? Is that the way you treat them? This industry you lead lead the other media now it seem we wnat to go backwards. How many years did it take the music industry to finally learn that DRM DOES NOT WORK and alienates your customers? YOU are the one with backward thinking.

Ok YOU live in Tennessee and you're talking me about the KKK?

double post

Ive spit it out several times. If I were a programmer or had the resources to work on it I would. Let me ask you Tony is it better to keep your money in a safe or on the front lawn? How much is your content worth to you?

Didnt you used to work the non online side of adult? Would you let people walk out of the store with merchandise and then hope to goto their houses at some point and ask them to stop using it? Or did you make sure things didnt go out the door unpaid? Did people get in free at strip clubs or peep shows? Or did you make them pay? How in the world do not see this? Who is working right now on customer friendly ways to stop theft? Ive mentioned a few ways that may be possible. Video or pictures that are downloaded automatically get the members IP embedded in the vid and pics, or overlayed as a watermark. If IPs are too intrusive and privacy restrictive why not a code that can be crosschecked to see what IP made the download.

Sure people can cover a watermark up. Why not make it hard to see and move around on the screen every few minutes. Unobtrusively though. Embed the same code into the video itself so it shows up in meta data. So now if it is found later on a tube site or torrent site that persons name gets put on a blacklist with the processors. They can no longer buy porn. Make a TOS they sign when they signup. If they are caught distributing content we have the right to legally go after them and they will be blackballed. Now you can go after the consumer for copyright infringement. You can show with records that person A was a member and now this video or image has been infringed upon. Now you have proof.

Are you telling me no one could do this? There now the consumer can stay in the relatively same biz model we are stuck in, but yet we have legal grounds to start suing people for infringement.

Someone tell me why it cant be done?

Ya I live in Nashville you Live in Knoxville area.. nuff said there lol. Plus I wasnt born here hoss. :1orglaugh

So how do you think people are getting content from members areas if its not the customers? lmao Yes there are pw traders. Members have the right to download so its not theft then, its when they upload it without permission to do so. Duh.

Try Ray Morris? He created the Strongbox program and might be interested in whatever you had in mind to protect content too.

I don't live anywhere near Knoxville. I wasn't born and raised here either idiot. I grew up near Chicago and at 13 moved to Florida and lived in the Tampa/Sarasota area for 11 years. nice try.


Random House Audio abandons audiobook DRM

Random House Audio -- a division of Bertelsmann, one of the largest publishing conglomerates in the world -- has announced that it will now allow its audiobooks to be sold without DRM by all of its online retailers. In the announcement, Random House notes that they've been running a DRM-free audiobook program with eMusic for months, and that none of the pirate editions of their audiobooks online came from those DRM-free editions; rather, they've come from DRM'ed editions that were cracked, and from ripped CDs.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/21...e-audio-a.html

Overview is above for anyone to use. Ive had a few ideas one is above. Personally I think the way netflix, vonage, even the sites like fox.com and nbc.com etc is going to be where we end up. Videobox is doing it for their instant play movies. Only way to get the vids would be screen capturing. My point is get out of the "it was already tried and failed" attitude and lets all come together to find a solution that might work.

Well shit its a good thing we arent selling audio books then huh? :1orglaugh

So you are telling me you DO NOT live in East TN?

if i said
whitepower!

would that add or subtract from this thread?

Hmm Im not sure. Give it a go. lol

If you can't see the connection you're too obtuse to even discuss this issue with. Good luck with alientating PAYING customers and failing in you attempt to stop piracy.

By the way I find it ironic that YOU of all people are trying to stop content from being stolen.

No I don't. I'm not sure where you got that from. Doesn't matter what part of Tenn I live. It's all full of ignornat inbred rednecks. So attemptimg to make fun of where I live is moot because I rip this shithole every fucking day.

Soon as you get your brain away from previous versions of securing content, and people start thinking out of the box. For instance read my post above. If it cant be done tell me why. Otherwise dont bother replying with your outdated thinking.

This guy less smart than camel.

i think that is what he is saying

DRM is outdated moron. Are you sure you don't work for a record lable? because you sure sound like a record lable exec.

don't you have more cameras to hand out for "borrowing" people's content?

You are beyond a moron. Quit keeping your tiny little brain inside the "drm" box. What I listed above is drm as you are using a method to help secure your content from theft, it however does not lock the customer out via a user pass or time limit. Did you even read it? Doubtful. Probably too busy reading "I hate jews weekly" or something :1orglaugh.

Err no what I am saying is all this focus on advertisers, tube sites, torrent sites, p2p, newsgroups, trading forums, etc etc is wasted. Why? Constant flow of supply of our content will provide a constant supply of people willing to make a buck off it. End of story. You will NEVER stop it from being spread post theft period. NEVER. If people can get it and give it away without worry then it will flow like the Mississippi from members area onto various avenues out to the public without you being paid for it. Anyone that disagrees needs to think again.

Hey continue to walk down the primrose path, and blaming torrent and tube sites for your woes.

Think it will get better? Pffft. Good luck. Bandwidth prices will only drop, and home internet connections will only increase in download and upload speed. Either start focusing on solutions that will work to keep content safe while not hassling the consumer or give up now. Call me stupid all you like. This is what is going to happen. It will only get worse.

So what are you saying?

We can download all stinkyzingers content for a tube site?

:winkwink:

I think pretty much anyone can download anyones content and put it on a tubesite atm. That is my point. :winkwink: