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Tempest 02-27-2008 04:58 PM

Once again... The USA will bail out the cowardly French...
 
The french won't help relieve our Canadian troops in south Afghanistan (Kandahar) but instead are going to go to some area that isn't as "hot".. So Bush has ensured our prime minister that if the french won't step up, they will..

Should also mention that the germans are even worse..

Str8Shooter 02-27-2008 05:04 PM

too bad the american media or global media does not discuss this...

halfpint 02-27-2008 05:04 PM

They should pull all the fucking troops out of that shit hole. My brothers son has just come back from Afganistan after being out there for 3 months and he has to go back again in June. He bought back some footage of what is really going on out there and it aint nice. I dont blame the French for not wanting to send there troops out there :2 cents:

2012 02-27-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 13842637)
They should pull all the fucking troops out of that shit hole.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

looks like the french are pretty fucking smart

Tempest 02-27-2008 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 13842637)
They should pull all the fucking troops out of that shit hole. My brothers son has just come back from Afganistan after being out there for 3 months and he has to go back again in June. He bought back some footage of what is really going on out there and it aint nice. I dont blame the French for not wanting to send there troops out there :2 cents:

Yep.. Would be nice.. but, unlike Iraq, ALL of our countries supported and took part in invading Afganistan and overthrowing the Taliban... We broke it so we better fucking fix it... Screwing up a country and then running away without taking responsibility for our actions sickens me just as much as the deaths of our troops.

tony286 02-27-2008 05:09 PM

People forget if it wasnt for the french we would be speaking with british accents. lol

EZRhino 02-27-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fartfly (Post 13842643)
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

looks like the french are pretty fucking smart

No just, self absorbed, pussies

Vendzilla 02-27-2008 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino (Post 13842654)
No just, self absorbed, pussies


And I have no room in my heart for Pussies like that, My daughter reports to the USS Ronald Reagon next week. I hope I can get a tour of that big bad boy!

2012 02-27-2008 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino (Post 13842654)
No just, self absorbed, pussies

yeah, maybe they give a fuck about their citizens a little bit and aren't "quick" to send their young men into shit holes to die because Bush said so and was the decider:Oh crap

One thing I noticed about france. The people there are way more involved in politics then we are here.

halfpint 02-27-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 13842650)
Yep.. Would be nice.. but, unlike Iraq, ALL of our countries supported and took part in invading Afganistan and overthrowing the Taliban... We broke it so we better fucking fix it... Screwing up a country and then running away without taking responsibility for our actions sickens me just as much as the deaths of our troops.

I understand what you are saying. I personally dont think It will be fixed for a very long time and I dont think we have overthrown the Taliban as what you see in the press, Its more like they have supressed them in certian parts of Afganistan from the footage of what my brothers son bought home with him. I feel for every soldier that goes over there, its a complete fuck up

2012 02-27-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13842668)
And I have no room in my heart for Pussies like that, My daughter reports to the USS Ronald Reagon next week. I hope I can get a tour of that big bad boy!

what if she came home with no fucking legs. Or maybe her face is burned off. How gung ho would you be then ? Was it worth it?

Martin 02-27-2008 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 13842650)
Yep.. Would be nice.. but, unlike Iraq, ALL of our countries supported and took part in invading Afganistan and overthrowing the Taliban... We broke it so we better fucking fix it... Screwing up a country and then running away without taking responsibility for our actions sickens me just as much as the deaths of our troops.

That place has been broken long before we went in there.

directfiesta 02-27-2008 05:24 PM

Maybe the Russians could help... after all, they were successfull ....:2 cents:

Just like with them, Kabul is the only place that Talibans don't run .... but they do attacks ... just like with the russians ....

Now, would the US have sent troops to help them out .... ???? No, they supported the terrorists ...

MaDalton 02-27-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 13842615)
The french won't help relieve our Canadian troops in south Afghanistan (Kandahar) but instead are going to go to some area that isn't as "hot".. So Bush has ensured our prime minister that if the french won't step up, they will..

Should also mention that the germans are even worse..

germany is already doing much more than they are officially allowed to. in case you don't know: after WWII it was put into the german constitution that no german soldiers are allowed to actively participate in a war that is not an attack to their own or NATO territory.

plus we have taken over most of the duties in former yugoslavia and are with a couple of thousand soldiers in northern Afghanistan

and: we didn't even start that whole shit

but basically: our constitution does not allow us to go there although we're already helping out by sending our Tornado planes

stev0 02-27-2008 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13842655)
People forget if it wasnt for the french we would be speaking with british accents. lol

French people are at fault for us losing the ability to speak proper English? Those bastards :winkwink:

Tempest 02-27-2008 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fartfly (Post 13842674)
yeah, maybe they give a fuck about their citizens a little bit and aren't "quick" to send their young men into shit holes to die because Bush said so and was the decider:Oh crap

Really? Well france was involved right from the beginning putting troops in there... not to mention a carrier battle group... So France was one of the counties that "broke" the country so suck it up and fix it...

Tempest 02-27-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 13842732)
but basically: our constitution does not allow us to go there although we're already helping out by sending our Tornado planes

Didn't know that... Guess the germans get a pass then...

Tempest 02-27-2008 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 13842706)
That place has been broken long before we went in there.

So... We made it out own by going in so we need to live up to our responsiblity and fix it...

Tempest 02-27-2008 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 13842684)
I personally dont think It will be fixed for a very long time

I agree.. It's going to be a couple decades at least... The problem right now is that there simply aren't enough troups in there to effectively supress the Taliban.. Well that's just 1 of many problems...

Sly 02-27-2008 05:48 PM

Afghanistan is becoming an example of why a global military type organization, such as NATO, cannot work. Nobody is willing to send in the proper help when office positions are at risk... it's not that I can totally blame them, but at the same time... they joined the alliance, own up.

It's just another instance of "never again" meaning absolutely nothing.

Sly 02-27-2008 05:51 PM

Everybody wants to be involved when it's easy pickings, but the minute it gets a little slippery, everybody bails...

Run for the hills.

Useless Warrior 02-27-2008 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fartfly (Post 13842674)
yeah, maybe they give a fuck about their citizens a little bit and aren't "quick" to send their young men into shit holes to die because Bush said so and was the decider:Oh crap

One thing I noticed about france. The people there are way more involved in politics then we are here.

Well said.

American historians/propaganda writers like to portray the French as weak due to how they surrendered to a force which was much larger and more battle hardened than theirs and had quite recently destroyed other neighboring nations. As Kenny Rogers once said, "Know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. And know when to run." Knowing certain doom and not tossing your people into the fire does not make you a pussy.

Read up on the French Resistance if you want to learn about some courageous and vicious fucking fighters. They had to deal not only with Nazi Germany, but also the goddamned Vichy Regime, which collaborated with the Nazis. At that point, the French were best represented by the Resistance, not their new government.

We Americans have been extraordinarily lucky - we've never had to deal with a true military invasion. But we do like to call people names whom have had to suffer through one or two.

Canada has an army? Who knew? :upsidedow

MaDalton 02-27-2008 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13842797)
Afghanistan is becoming an example of why a global military type organization, such as NATO, cannot work. Nobody is willing to send in the proper help when office positions are at risk... it's not that I can totally blame them, but at the same time... they joined the alliance, own up.

It's just another instance of "never again" meaning absolutely nothing.

The NATO is not made for cleaning up the mess that George W. has brought to the world. :2 cents:

MaDalton 02-27-2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13842807)
Everybody wants to be involved when it's easy pickings, but the minute it gets a little slippery, everybody bails...

Run for the hills.

and one more: a lot of countries, especially the eastern european countries like Poland and Czech Republic have just participated in Georgie boys crusade cause they they were looking for more acceptance from the US. a few years later their soldiers have died in Iraq but still they are not allowed to enter the US without a Visa - which they rarely get.

talk about fucked up foreign policy

crockett 02-27-2008 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 13842837)
The NATO is not made for cleaning up the mess that George W. has brought to the world. :2 cents:


Actually Afghanistan wasn't a US only war. That was a war that many other nations were involved in including the French.

Now if it was Iraq then yea you could say that, but Afghan is a whole different story. Personally I think US troops should have stayed in full force and not went to Iraq, yet that doesn't mean Afghan is a US or GB fuck up.

2012 02-27-2008 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 13842813)
We Americans have been extraordinarily lucky - we've never had to deal with a true military invasion. But we do like to call people names whom have had to suffer through one or two.

...no shit. Paris was reduced to rubble in WWII . I was in a museum there that was a tribute to that time period. I remember thinking to myself , ah so this is why they don't jump so fast when bush comes calling. It could be all this grief misery and death? Something we as Americans haven't seen here in our country. The Rambo mentality some people have about War blows my mind ...

Sly 02-27-2008 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 13842837)
The NATO is not made for cleaning up the mess that George W. has brought to the world. :2 cents:

NATO is in Afghanistan. Everybody is just doing a huge favor for George Bush? Wow.

George Bush or not, Afghanistan would have happened. Any Democrat would have done the same, in fact, many are calling for stronger action in Afghanistan.

Antonio 02-27-2008 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fartfly (Post 13842910)
...no shit. Paris was reduced to rubble in WWII

No, actually it wasn't, it was one of the least damaged city after the WW2, stand to be corrected of course, but as far as I remember when leaving the city the German general (?) in charge refused to carry out Hitler's order to bomb the city to the ground

xroach 02-27-2008 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 13842650)
We broke it so we better fucking fix it...

That's like waiting for a 2 year old to glue together the plate they threw on the floor.

2012 02-27-2008 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 13842952)
No, actually it wasn't, it was one of the least damaged city after the WW2, stand to be corrected of course, but as far as I remember when leaving the city the German general (?) in charge refused to carry out Hitler's order to bomb the city to the ground

if you ever get a chance and are ever in Paris check out the Military Museum at Napoleons Tomb. The place was seriously fucked up ...
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguid...s_tomb_paris-i

nico-t 02-27-2008 07:59 PM

Bush is such a hero.

The_Truth_Will_Hurts 02-27-2008 08:01 PM

Vote for Ralph Nader.
He will bring back the troops so they can build houses for our minorities !!!

J. Falcon 02-27-2008 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13842655)
People forget if it wasnt for the french we would be speaking with british accents. lol

No statue of liberty either.

J. Falcon 02-27-2008 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13842797)
Afghanistan is becoming an example of why a global military type organization, such as NATO, cannot work. Nobody is willing to send in the proper help when office positions are at risk... it's not that I can totally blame them, but at the same time... they joined the alliance, own up.

It's just another instance of "never again" meaning absolutely nothing.


Weren't you told (repeatedly) by the United Nations NOT to invade?

halfpint 02-27-2008 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Truth_Will_Hurts (Post 13843303)
Vote for Ralph Nader.
He will bring back the troops so they can build houses for our minorities !!!

Why do keep posting your crap in threads. Why dont you just post something constuctive and have that in your sig instead of this huge bullshit If i was American I sure would not vote for that Ralfph Nader because of your shity posts


bot spot maybe

J. Falcon 02-27-2008 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 13843536)
Weren't you told (repeatedly) by the United Nations NOT to invade?

Actually that was in Irak, my bad. Sometimes I lose count of all the atrocities.

Rochard 02-27-2008 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13842668)
And I have no room in my heart for Pussies like that, My daughter reports to the USS Ronald Reagon next week. I hope I can get a tour of that big bad boy!

Count me in if you can get me on board!

Road trip!

theking 02-27-2008 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 13843566)
Actually that was in Irak, my bad. Sometimes I lose count of all the atrocities.

Actually you are wrong on both counts. The UN never told the US not to invade Iraq.

zalka 02-27-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fartfly (Post 13842910)
...Paris was reduced to rubble in WWII .

No Paris suffered very little damage, the german commander of Paris surrendered, not following Hitlers orders to raze it to the ground, a few hardline germans stayed and sniped at General de Gaulle as he entered with the free french army but Paris emerged hardly touched.

Perhaps you were thinking of Berlin.

Christina Muller 02-27-2008 11:43 PM

Leave Afghanistan alone, leave Iraq alone ,leave Europe alone ,it seems every conflict started or supported ususally ends up worse than before forces come in to save it :(


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