I'm a war monger?
 

So I'm sitting having a coffee on Powell St. in San Francisco on Sunday when an Anti-war/Bush protest started and the streets filled with hundreds of people.

An old lady walks up to me with a flyer and I just said "I'll pass." Then she calls me a war monger.

So being the polite man I am I returned, "well ma'am, you know what they say. Nuke em' till they glow and then shoot them in the dark."

My retort seemed to really upset her so she persisted, "so you are in favor of killing innocent people?"

My answer was simple enough, "you mean like those killed in the WTC?"

That got rid of her but others did persist with me. Each time I disagreed with them they really got bent out of shape. I just sat there and enjoyed my coffee and their expressions.

It seems to me that it will take more than a few planes and a few thousand deaths on our home soil before these people will realize that it is a big bad world out there and sometimes you must use the sword and not the pen.

It will be ironic when we do get nuked because those same protestors will then cry out, "why didn't you protect us?"

It is one thing to disagree with an action. But to try and emasculate us from defending ourselves and the rest of the free world is nuts.

Hopefully frisco and berkeley get nuked. Then those fucking hippies will want revenge.

The oddly ironic part of all this is that those same people do not realize that the same war that they protest against is the same war that allows them to protest and have the everyday freedoms they take for granted.

Which war are you talking about?

The possible war with Iraq.

The oddly ironic thing would be if you were gullible enough to believe that. They are protesting against a specific war, one which has nothing whatsoever to do with your or their freedom.

Many of those people are not anti-war, as in all wars, they are anti war with Iraq.

In the whole world, and even in the Western world, the anti-Iraq war right now crowd is the vast majority.

In every poll I have seen, less than 40% of Americans support a war with Iraq under Bush's current plan. That number increases only if the UN and our allies agree that a war is justified.

Hahahaha.... Saddam isn't threatening anyones freedom. He's just got shitloads of oil. He's about as much of a threat to the world as Gaddafi or Noriega was.

I hope these protestors smash a few cops in the head.

Apparently you have not seen all of the different polls. Polls can be, and are, slanted, dependant upon the pollster, questions asked, etc. There are polls that demonstrate that the majority of the American people are in favor of a pre-emptive strike against Sadam, with or without, a UN resolution, and, with or without, world opinion being in favor of unilateral action by the USA.

You are quite correct. He never invaded Kuwait, he is the pinnacle of a sane, rational human being.

For starters, how about the freedom of his own country's populace?

Find one poll that isn't sponsored by a right wing funded "think tank" that supports your position. You won't.

Every real poll shows the exact same thing on this issue. Americans do not trust Bush on Iraq. Americans want to see support from allies and the U.N. or they don't want a war.

You can argue and spin many things to try to accommodate your talk radio world view, but in this case you are simply wrong. The American public has no interest in a unilateral attack and they are very suspicious about why Bush is even interested in attacking Iraq.

Your previous personality was so much less talk radio - please bring it back. :)

I do not listen to talk radio ever. I watch various news shows on TV, including C-Span, and the talking head shows. In addition I have a main stream Website witch has many links to news sources, including international news sources and I peruse those daily. Virtually each media source touts different polls, with different results, almost daily. I am assuming (correct me if it is a wrong assumption) that the only "real" polls as you put it, are those of a left wing funded "think tank" as compared to a "right wing funded "think tank"". I repeat, polls can be and are slanted, so to use any single poll to prove a point is pointless. As for your shitty remark. :321GFY I am who I am and not someone else so fuck you again. :321GFY

fuck Iraq..... burn it to the fuckin' ground and put a big ass Super Walmart in it's place.

damn straight! :thumbsup

kill them all let god sort it out... :ak47: sand monkeys

Who cares. USA government can do whatever it wants.

UN is a piece of shit. Opinions of European politicians, media and people don't matter. Fuck China. Fuck Russia.
USA won the WW2. USA has superior military

Most importantly, USA protects the freedom of its own people. USA protects the freedom of all the people in the world. When USA attacks a country, it does a favor for the people living in that country.

US GOVERNMENT REALIZES that if Iraq gets attacked now, everything gets solved and there will be no more terrorists in the world, who could become a threat for the freedom of Americans.

I totally agree mika, except for this part.... there probably would be more terrorists popping up, but hey.... we'll fuckin' burn them down too... their terrorists groups, their countries, their fuckin' families, their fuckin' dogs..... all of it. Because we can. They'll all fuckin' burn. :glugglug

I sense the sarcasm, but most of your statements are true. :thumbsup

HOLLA BACK FINLAND!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup

Who actually cares about terrorists either. When US attacks Iraq, terrorists will never get nukes from anywhere else.
Not today, not after 30 years.

USA government will have monopolistic access to the supply of nuclear weapons.
People in those former USSR - those -istan countries, you know, they are so stupid that they don't realize that they could sell their nukes to terrorists.

Follow what the UN decides !

It will make the market a little more stable.
It will help the dollar go up on the market if the war
risk is small and that, my friends, will incease my income
since I'm not from US.

And if some assholes out there like to do a Terror attack,
(or self defense if they are under attack) maybe it's your processors building!


Jeroman

I am more generalizing.

My problem is that many people protest against WAR in general just because they think it is wrong in general.

The same people who burn the flag and don't realize what the American flag represents is the same thing that they are using to burn the flag. Freedom!

Now I personally do not believe that this war with Iraq is about nothing other than Daddy didn't finish the job and now he is leaning on his son to make it all right in the family. Also a bunch of Oil tycoons who are having a pissing match.

Now does Saddam need to have his ass kicked... Probably. Does Bush want to be the guy who does it... DAMN SKIPPY. Would I rather have the US millitary go in and kick his ass before Saddam decides to drop bio weapons on the civilized countries of the world? Hell yes.

damn straight mika.... we'll fly in there and fry all them fuckin' bastards. Great target practice....

fuck 'em. :ak47: :uhoh

Have you read Tom Clancys books!

There is an aircraft craching in to the senate.
In another book ( or the same) they blow a small
nuke bomb during a football game making the stadion
a mess including the people being there.

Nukes has already been sold.

Moronic is someone who thinks that being in favor of war against Iraq is the same as being in favor of killing babies.

Moronic is someone who thinks that everyone against war with Iraq is a flag burner or a fucking hippie or unpatriotic or whatever the rant dujour is.

Where does that leave you?

No that's not possible.
All the BS about Pakistan and India and Ukraine having nukes.. You know, it's total bullshit.

But even if they did, it's probably just a small suitcase explosive.

USA has superior access to weapon technology. No-one else will ever invent a missile that could reach New York.

Saddam was close to reach such technology, but now that he will be removed, the threat will be gone forever, and the muslim world, especially the Iraqis, will be forever grateful to USA for liberating them. After all, almost no-one in Iraq likes Saddam.

well, maybe we should put them on the list right under Iraq just in case.... no one would miss them anyway.

damn right! :glugglug
that's for sure! :thumbsup I'm proud to say that when I was in Iraq, I got the opportunity to spray paint and piss on a giant painting of Saddam's face..... the pure satisfaction was immense. :glugglug

mika just admit you hate America, cause I'm onto your game.

We need a world without religious beliefs.

I prefer to talk about it like a reasonable person. I don't need to sterotype everyone into easy-to-define boxes that really don't relate to the facts.

My personal opinion on the matter? We need to go to war, preferably with U.N. approval, but not necessarily waiting for it.
I think the threat is very real.

People who think there is no threat or who believe we should negotiate with Saddam need to study German relations with France and Britian between 1936-1939.

People who think we ought to just go in now, without any regard for world support or world opinion, need to think about how this would affect our ability to pressure India not to go after Pakistan, or China not to go after Tiawan.

hate america?
wtf you talking about?

Oz is just about to begin here on Television. It's my favorite TV series. All the great stuff is made in USA.

Russian literature? Fuck. They dont even have the correct alphabet.

And I heard that they have pyramids in one terrorist country. Maybe American construction builders can renovate them into casinos.

India and Pakistan DO HAVE nukes and missils to launch them with. It's a fact. Fuck it wasn't long ago they did tests with them.
However they do them theirself. However they will not reach US.

Terrorist will not send missile, they will have small nuke
in a car. Park outside of a stadium where 40,000 people
is sitting and blow them out. Getting the nukes in was probably not such a big deal a few years ago and there is probably
already nukes hidden somewhere. If not, how many arabs
do you have in the US army/navy/air ? Guess a few of them
isn't in there to protect US.

Hell, to blow a stadium away you only need regular explosives
and take out the ground it stands on.

The problem with the UN is that it is very difficult to effectively wage war with a multi-national force. You have many many different interests, and languages involved not to mention rules of engagement. UN bureaucracy is very difficult and you'll have 10 different generals from 10 different countries arguing about which course to take and nothing will be accomplished.

There isn't another country that has the financial resources to sustain a long term engagement in that part of the world. However I don't think that we will see a force assembled like that during the Gulf War.

Keep in mind that the quicker we can finish this while minimizing collateral damage is of paramount importance. Not just to us but for the Iraqi people and the rest of the world.

Actually, now that I think about it, it should be done ASAP. No need for UN weapon inspectors. Bush said he will attack if the inspectors won't get in Iraq.

But it looks like they're getting in, though, so better act now. On the other hand, what the hell does it matter what Bush says and promises. The point is what he DOES. And he must attack now!!!

well, Saddam has MORE than proven his word means absolutely shit, and even if the inspectors get back in, they are only allowed access to what was in past agreements... which includes whatever Saddam says it includes..... mostly nothing but old bombed out outhouses. So, while I can plainly see your line of sarcasm throughout the thread, the truth is mika, that Saddam is a fucking disease to the entire planet and we all know the world would be much better off with him gone. He has done nothing but cause trouble for decades. And if he DOES manage to get his paws on some weapons gradee uranium, do you really think he'll hesitate to use it at the first opportunity? He won't. Fuck.... he had the maps of Iraq altered to show Kuwait as being part of Iraq in the fucking schools over there AS he was invading them.... he's a fuckin' ruthless dictating piece of human shit that needs to be flushed from the population. So save your sarcasm for Hussein's family... someone that MIGHT actually care about him.... because no one else does. He starves his own people. If you could perhaps take a stroll through some of the regions of Iraq and actually LOOK at the people there.... that will be begging you in the street for water and a fucking plastic spoon, you might wonder how Saddam is allowed to continue to live. His own fuckin' military hates him. But of course.... it's follow unquestionably, or die.

Again.... fuck Iraq. Remove them from the map and build a nice lake there complete with condos, private security, volleyball courts, and a jogging path. :glugglug

Yeah. But how to take that bastard out? Better nuke the whole region. Because what happened in Afghanistan proved that no regular infantry+special forces cannot eliminate one man, Osama Ladin in that particular case. And Afghanistan was even smaller than Iraq..

So to take Saddam out, USA needs at least 16 carriers, 2million troops and maybe a few nukes.


Otherwise the basterd goes hiding in a mountain cave and becomes a threat to the freedom again!!!

Wrong thinking. We don't have to kill him to remove him from power and as an individual without a country he does not represent the same kind of threat as he does now.

We could bomb the entire region with ham. :Graucho

Seriously though, it would come down to a seige of Baghdad and most likely his own people would give him to us. I don't think we'd get take him alive because he would much rather be a martyr.

Mika, you may not have english as a first language, but fuck you are a master of sarcasm bud. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

Best solution I've heard yet..... let's do it.

"Lock n' load!!"

"Locked sir!"

"On my command... RELEASE THE HAMS!!"

"Firing sir.... HAM 1 AWAY!"

I already said we ought to go to war over this, and if we are lucky, we could end up with a cakewalk like last time. However, I am afraid this bit of thinking might be kind of wishful.

"Will the Russians/Finns/Viet Cong fight?"

No, Mien Fuerher/Comrade Stalin/Mr. President ..."

I really hope I'm wrong.

Yes,

HAM-grenades

HAM-mines

Bouncing BLT's

Grease guns

"Sir, the men have been hit with a heavy pineapple glaze..."

"Well don't just stand there! Get some napkins and wine in there NOW!!"

All these jokes are making me go hog wild.

Excellent pun! :thumbsup