Piracy's Effect on the World as a Whole... Positive or Negative?
 

On one hand already popular musicians, big movie companies, big software companies, porn producers etc are seeing less income. CDs are becoming the new vinyl (for collectors, mostly). ETC.

On the other hand: People are listening to way more music then they could EVER afford, watching more movies they could ever afford to rent. (and better music and movies at that).

People have collections of software that would normally cost them thousands and are learning to make music, edit photos, edit video, 3d modeling, coding etc.

Poor people can simply download pirated eLearning courses and educate themselves for free on damn near every subject.



So at the end of the day from an outside perspective do you think piracy is beneficial to mankind as a whole? Why? Why not?

2,000th post!

Thats 2000 too many.

its pretty negative on the industry, but for musicians it has a lot of good effects. spreading the word of their music

Says the guy with 40,000 too many. Someone post the "frankie in a blanky video" that always makes me giggly.

Spreading the word of their music? What crap. Whatching and listening to more than they can afford! So anyone that bought more house than they can afford shouldn't have to pay either?

Money makes the world function ..... Stealing limits honest returns on investment.

Fuck pirates and thieves .... If someone wants to give their product away go right ahead no one is stopping you. Just don't steal mine and attempt to justify it.

A lot of underground bands spread their music through the piracy sites

Good for them ..... start undergroundbands.com and give their shit away for free. Don't use underground music (who cares) as the reason to steal product that actually has a value.

its called purevolume.com

Good, a means to acquire music that can't be sold already exists.

Calm down for a second and think. You're comparing owning houses to listening to art.

Objectively what is better... Millions of people enjoying a diverse selection of music, being entertained, relaxing and feeling good. OR: A few thousand people making more income?

The topic is not "how does piracy effect your own selfish wants"

No, I'm commenting on the poster saying those that can't afford something have the right to aquire it by other means.

If an artist wants to give away their product no problem, give it away.

If an artist want's to sell his product what right do you or anyone else have to say no, you will steal it instead.

I want a Rembrandt on my wall, it will help me relax and feel good. Where can I steal one? Give me a break!

I'm not talking about rights or what one person or company wants... Of course if you make a product that you're selling and someone steals it it's bad for you. You lose out on some cash and you buy less pizza and shoes, whatever. Big deal.

But in the grand scheme of things is it better for the world that everything is available for free?

In the grand scheme of things those without income for their labors live in the street with nothing to eat.

To make a point: Here you go. Print this out. Look at it on your screen. Put it on your iPod and enjoy it with your friends. Whoever prints Rembrandt paintings doesn't get $10, but you get to enjoy the painting. If you really like it you can buy a nice print so you can possess a physical copy and add it to your collection.

http://www.geocities.com/uttamkumar4...meditation.jpg

It may be "the way that it is" and it may be "used by many to market", but it still does not make it right. Theft is theft is theft ... :disgust

Stop being foolish, that painting wouldn't exist if it wasn't painted for profit in the first place.

Now we're getting somewhere.

I don't know anything about Rembrandt's motive for painting but you're the foolish one if you think all (or even the majority) of art is financially motivated.

You are foolish to think anything is produced without money. Or do artists steal paint, brushes, guitars, drums ...... are you a Communist by chance?

By the way ... if free is the way to go why are the owners of these pirate sites making big bucks ??? lol

The owners of pirate sites have conned some (mostly broke fucks) into looking at private property like you do, that it belongs to everyone. That free is for the good of everyone .... while they stash millions in bank accounts.

the owner of pirate bay is worth 10 million and you talk about selfish wants. lol

Most internet "pirates" don't make any money. There are exceptions like the pirate bay, street bootleggers and assholes like that who just don't give a fuck and are profiting.

But at the core of the "piracy scene" that has been around since the early 90's there are people spending their own cash to run their servers, buying product to put online. Most torrent sites are run strictly on user donations to keep the servers alive.

Also, why are you attacking me, I'm raising points on both sides and have not taken one?

It's a scam with true believers :1orglaugh

Unless you are just stirring up shit it appears you have taken sides.

Yes, a few assholes are profiting off it and it's bad. The real "pirates" (ie crackers, rippers, etc) hate them just as much as you do.

Those are just broke fucks without a choice. Let it go. It's wrong. Period.

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You said all art is made for profit. That has nothing to do with production costs.

Quit already, If profit is not made how is production cost covered? How do artists pay rent? Buy a car? Eat, Raise children?

Parents are the only people you will ever meet that will do something for you for free. Is the basement cold this time of year?

Historically, Pirates have created industries. They deviate from normal society and find their own ways and means through uncharted ways. They find a loophole, maybe not completely legal, but they challenge the system and run with it. With positive always comes the negative. One really cannot exist without the other. So you have to look at both sides of the coin.

Is stealing ok? No. But piracy "beneficial to mankind as a whole?" Very possible. However a large scale study would have to be done to prove this. :1orglaugh

The internet has brought us a whole new generation of pirates. But pirates they be!

Again, stealing is bad, I do not practice or condone it. But if you think 100% negative toward pirates, well, you're missing out how this adult internet ship even came to sail.

btw - are most of you here too young to remember making casette tapes and VHS tapes? same shit, different media. Its nothing new!

And how many thousands of those did you give to people you never met? But I get your point. What bothers me is the attitude that someone has the "right" to not pay for something.

thank you well said

im not attacking you but if you produced something from scratch,paid models,equiptment classes and then to have it just given away,it wouldnt be a question.

A discussion about "mankind as a whole" has nothing to do with where I live. Jesus. (and funnily enough I shattered my elbow and actually temporarily live with my parents for a few months, and yes it's a bit nipply down here)


Obviously you are not an artist.

Did you know that some people do art because it's an enjoyable passtime?

People put money into art and they do it just for fun. People put money into video games and don't profit off it. I think you need a hobby?

They are trying to clamp down on it over here in the UK and its been all over the news today. You can read it here

Illegal downloaders 'face UK ban'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm

and replys from the public here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technolog..._on_pirac.html

good post

in most cases what the media calls piracy is really fair use

big media called the VCR piracy
big media called cable television piracy
big media is calling torrents and other peer to peer piracy


the first was ruled to be fair use

the second was determined to have an increase not a decrease to the penetration of their product (tv shows)

p2p can actually be both

companies like the pirate bay push the limits of the law establishing the line between fair use and real copyright infringement.

Without them 2 + trillion dollars in legal "fair use" would not exist.

oh and grats on 2k

I'm a photographer, I love my work, much of it I do for free. For free to who I choose, when I choose. When it's stolen by assholes that I don't know or care about that's a different story. When someone like you doesn't feel my time and effort are worth paying for that's a different story.

Get some character and respect for others property. Say hi to mom.

Not you again ...... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Survey taken by Consumer Electronics Association
 

Frequency of Paying to Download Content*

Pictures 3%
Games 6%
Computing Software 26%
Information or Reports 2%
Audio files 6%
Sound files 2%
Video clips/movies 4%
Electronic books 23%

*Among online adults who HAVE downloaded each type of content

Blows Fair use Assholes opinions out of the water.

She says "whattup dunn".

You're getting me all wrong. I understand where you're coming from. I believe that your photography is worth money and you should be paid for it. This is my opinion.

I make music. It costs me money to make it and I make very little profit, if any. I paid a cartoonist for the cover, I bought hundreds of old records, I bought a laptop, a MIDI keyboard, monitors, etc and spent countless hours working. It gets put on the internet and downloaded by assholes for free and sometimes that bugs me a little.

Now let's say I HATED the fact that 1000 people grabbed my cd from a torrent site. I'm still one angry person VS 1000 happy people at the end of the day.

I'm glad you put the happiness of strangers that steal your music ahead of your own.

This is one of the replies on the new laws that they want to introduce over here in the UK

161. At 04:13 PM on 12 Feb 2008
One refers to "copyright theft", but IMHO the problem is with the present copyright law. Why should ownership of rights remain after the investor has been given sufficient time to cover their costs and make a reasonable profit ? Does Ford think it can sell the same car and be paid for it again and again for years to come ? Does your plumber keep coming back for payment again and again for work they did on one occasion years ago ? By all means rigidly enforce a ban on copying for a reasonable period, but the existing arrangement is just biased in favour of those who can ensure the status quo remains.

Meanwhile I have doubts the ISPs can comply for any length of time. Whatever is done to catch the first few hundred, the systems will change and they will be back to square one. In any event, policing should be done by the police, not ISPs, nor employers nor neighbourhood watch, nor community support officers, nor suchlike.


The laws do need to change but how will they implement this accross the world

Simple, If you didn't create or purchase the rights to something it's not yours. No one smart enough to make their own website for profit is dumb enough to not release the product being sold has to belong to him.

I really don't know how to explain to you any clearer that I'm not talking about peoples opinions here.

How does me saying that 1000 people will be happy and I'll be angry translate to me putting someones happiness ahead of mine?

Just because something benefits 1000 people and is bad for me, doesn't mean I have to agree with it and it doesn't mean that it's not better for mankind as a whole.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh goodnight

ah here is a solution

The solution would be to phase out broadband completely and just have everyone on dial-up. That would keep the media corporations happy, which must be the main priority. There would then be no need to start spying on people. I see dial-up as the next big development for the net.

its a start..lol

quoted from here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technolog..._on_pirac.html

its amazing how many people think stealing is ok because its done in the privacy of their home.im done those who support who work in this industry really baffle me even more. whatever