Ibill, CCbill and Epoch I will save you from Globill (well I wont actually)
 

As you make so much cash from us I have an idea to stop this mass exodus to Globill...This will increase your profits in the long run and I am going to be kind and not charge you for this idea.

Say a client is a small fish in the ocean and is only doing $10k per year that results in $1500 in processing fees - which you will lose. If someone were to offer you a guaranteed scheme to treble your money in a year you would go for it right? Well you only have to pay $500 to Visa..so you pay it for us. That $500 will result in you keeping the client and making that $1500 over the next year...easy!

wow, that was 326 words of total bull shit and non comprehendible use of the english language.

Treble my money? Is that a good thing or should I feel threatened?

Krome's english is fine, trust me. (For those of you who didn't get past highschool, to treble something is to triple it.)

What he said is what I have been thinking all along. The IPSPs should pay all or some of the $750. After all, they are making plenty of other profit off of us. Everyone is saying "don't whine, its a business expense"... Well, as far as I am concerned, that sounds like a business expense for their business, not my line of work.

They could have done something like that, but the axis of evil or big 3, whatever you want to call them got together cooked up a scheme of how to best shove this down webmasters throats by utilizing highly illegal price fixing.

wow for someone that was selling his entire web business 10 minutes after the news broke about visa, you sure have come along way in the adult business... What enlightend you? was it the cheeriois this morning, or the 3 hands of solitaire you played on your pc last night?

Plus with CCBill, Ibill and EPoch buying in bulk reckon Visa will do a deal...maybe only charge them $300 per sponsored client..

He must have made a couple of sales overnight and is feeling like a bigshot. It shouldn't be long before he disappears though. I am quite sure he won't be able to afford the fees unless he starts selling something other than that creepy goth shit.

are you out of your fucking mind. He has found a niche that he's good at and you're trying to down him?

People used to say the same shit about me back in 2000 but now, left and right I'm copied like a muthafucka.

I say the same shit about his goth shit that I said about mine. If somebody is willing to pay for pics of little boys, horses fucking animals, etc. then I know DAMN WELL that bitches in black lipstick sells to somebody.

So you're saying you invented the ebony niche? Wow! It's a pleasure to meet you sir.

Don't even try to compare black chicks to chicks that wear too much black. It's hardly the same thing.

And relax, it's a little good natured shit flinging. No need to turn this into a flame war.

I reckon there maybe a chance they will go for it... Look at it this way, just say, not that I know because of have been speaking to someone on the inside, that Globill has signed up 2000 plus in the last two days that equates to $2m in processing revenue that they have now lost....

Goth webs photography and site has style, substance, a unique edge that captivates and sustains interest....any way we are here to discuss how to avoid the $750 payment...

I reckon they could get Visa down to $300 payment when doing it in bulk..we then pay the $350 per year after that and all new start ups pay the $750 for jumping on our wagon...

Personally I am happy to see the fees. The way I look at it, it should chase all of the newbies out of the business and leave more potential customers for the rest of us. If you can't afford the fees, it may be time to find a real job. Just pay up and look at it as your dues to the self-employed club.

I dont care about paying but this is the upsale of the century...this is not a deal ....it is a steal

Your profile shows you to be in the UK. Are those of you in the UK going to have to have a US presence, or has this been clarified yet?

Thats the "Trouble with Treble's"
Seen that on StarTrek once :Graucho

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Definitely my favorite episode...of course it's the only episode I can think of right off hand.

No-one has directly clarified the "US Presence" term yet...I have emailed all my processors Epoch, Ibill and CCbill but no-one has really got back with anything 100% definite...I personally think the prO should set up an office for all of us and the procesors should pay the bill!!

Krome, I have the same exact question about the "US Presence" term . I dont think a shell corp is what Visa is looking for when they approve someone. It costs Visa 10x as much to prosecute someone outside the U.S. and I think this territory issue is an attempt to end that problem. It will be very interesting to see how it pans out the first time Visa calls Ibill to investigate fraud and all they find is a shell corp owned by a guy in France.

It is apparent to me that the "big three" were in collusion. It is apparent to everyone that the "big three" are not absorbing any of the costs, and yet have less service to provide the webmaster now (though they becry this). It is apparent to everyone that it is the webmaster getting stuck with the short end of the stick. I agree that they should absorb at the least some of the cost either directly or indirectly.

Some processors may be over extended and just die from this. Money is a big issue for them now, too. I hear what your saying but imagine how much cash they are gonna lose.
- not defending them.. just saying.

You see that is my point exactly they are not absorbing any of the cost but are actually adding a $250 profit margin on top of it.

They are not going to lose shit all..they will make by there $250 fee that has been placed on top of the actual $500 that Visa is charging...

They will lose alot of webmasters and rebills. All those small sites and ones owned by foreigners add up to alot of lost revenue.

The only way they are going to see the light, is if in fact there is a mass exodus, to, say Globill or setting up individual Merchant Accounts. It will be awhile before the dust settles and adjustments are made. My personal opinion is, I don't see any real need for Billing Processors any longer (the protection they once provided is gone), so though a Merchant Account requires a little more attention from the webmaster, in the long run you will save some dollars and the risk is not any greater. My :2 cents:

BVF has the black crackhead niche on lockdown!!! I can say his style of writing has definintely been copied on the net

I am trying to keep these big processors in business, this thread is probably there last life....I am thinking about setting up a fund to help pay for them to stay around...Remember DMR - Fuckers still owe me $5k....I dont want people from CCbill, Ibill and Epoch unemplyed..hell I have fucked three of them and they were good...

There is a mass exodus...huge.....they are already $2m a year down...let us persuade them to help themselves...

Well me...myself...and...I...With free site's is now thinking about doubling the FREE porn on all my sites. Those small paysite members will be shopping... :2 cents: any other Free site owners thought about doing this yet? And I might add I am adding three (3) more... The domains were due and I was going to let'm go...but I renewed them and they will be up on my host next week

From a business standpoint the big 3 processors obviously have decided to work together on this deal. I would put them in the class of an Enron company.

Lay off the crack. When a company gets some huge bill, simply because of its clients actions, they're going to pass the bill onto the clients. That's how business works. Simple economics. CCBill doesn't HAVE to do anything for us, although it would be a smart business move.

"Not my line of work." The fuck it isn't. You run a business. Don't you understand that yet? Yes, you're a photographer, but you also made the decision to run your own business, you must live with what other business people live with. Paying business fees!

Do you guys seriously expect someone else to pay your tab? If they do, great. If not, cough up the change. It sucks, but guess what. That's life.

Ian, you're giving me a really uneasy feeling about your affiliate program. It's become quite apparent that you do this as more of a hobby that makes some cash, rather than an actual business. Are you going to be around in two months? Or will there be another site sale offer?

Try they all had a meeting and sorted out the $750 each, then sent out mass mailing to all their customers hoping no-one would desert them...$250 for their clerical work? What someone taking a stats dump and mailing it off to Visa? Yeah that probably cost $250, I will agree that it costs $250 minimum per day to have someone sat on his arse in an office all day but fuck it they can do a hell of alot more through out the day...Say between all the processors they have minimum 10,000 clients look at the cash generated by this for them $2,500,000.

Let us help them ensure they get to heaven by having them pay our fee..Then all us dirty little sinners can fuck off to hell and have bukake parties all year round...

eh? I really hope you are joking on that statment. As for the comment about the goth DUDE what have you been smoking? Arer you trying to prove something at bashing someone? Wtf IF this is your way of venting and ya really dont think like this then I cna understand. BUt if this is really how you are feeling and you are cocky enough to think your better then anyone then my friend I have lost a lot of respect for you.

As for bvf That guy might come accross rude at times I have seen him when he started and I will tell you I was one jellous mother fucker of him. IM use to doing ugly chicks and having ugly sites and I know what has worked for me and matter of fact I know his site is making him lots of $$$ I know howardstren and some others have begged him to go on their show I know his site is 100% orginal NOT THE NICHE but his site is. That is what makes it in this business well it did. For you of all people to put down others just cause you dont like their niche or for what ever reason has really disappointed me mate.. I had high RESPECT for you and SOME OThers.

I know im no body when it comes to voicing my opioions etc... But what I just read you went off on two people that I know personaly are honest and hardworking. YOu think its easy to bang ugly chicks? SHIT if you don't gag from the nasty smell or catch some vd shit your lucky... knock on wood Ive only died a few times from the smell and Havnt had no vd's thank god but jezzz I can understand if these people that you are kocking were cheaters etc... YOU KNOW YOU started out at some place? IT amazes me people that start to make a little $$ can go off their rocker and put others down just for doing the same thing as you or anyone else does. I know this prolly is going to piss ya off at me or you wont understand it cause of my grammer etc.. I just thought it was wrong.

TOM

How's this for an idea... If you are a foreign webmaster -- send me your sperm... Using clone technology I will have your presence grown here in a vat in 6 months.

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You're right. I don't give a fuck what you think of me. Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me or anyone else, but thanks for sharing your barely intelligible banter.

I don't know if you have some kind of reading/comprehension problem but you took my comment WAY out of context. I never implied I was better than anyone else. More intelligent perhaps, but not better in any other way. Where did you get that?

What I was pointing out is that those folks who make a few hundred bucks a month are not going to be able to afford the fees which is a GOOD THING for the rest of us. It's quite simple really...less competition = more money for the rest of us. It seems to me that the only people that are bitching about this whole thing are the ones that can't afford to stay in business. To them I say "Good riddance and enjoy your day job". This is the end for THOUSANDS of small time webmasters. Be happy! :thumbsup

Sly_RJ


Not my line of work." The fuck it isn't. You run a business. Don't you understand that yet? Yes, you're a photographer, but you also made the decision to run your own business, you must live with what other business people live with. Paying business fees!


This is the best comment yet. I came here to learn what these new rules were over the last few days. All I see is a bunch of little worthless bitches complaining about having to pay $750.00
and it must be the 3rd party processors fault. This was a Visa decision. I am sure they hate these rules just as much as we do.

If you are not making about $2.00 per day to pay to Visa. You need to go flip burgers again. Hell most people in other jobs pay that much to just drive to work.

One thing that will be nice is that a bunch of these little bitches will now just have to send us successful webmasters more traffic.


Translation = You Bitches get back to work and start sending that traffic to us real webmasters.

Your opinion means absolutely nothing to me or anyone else :1orglaugh Thanks
"I never implied I was better than anyone else" You might not of come right out and implied but the way you wrote things about two people that I know you didnt have to.
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Dude I dont want to get into a pissing contest with someone like you. I know all about you from others. You keep plugging away at your keyboard and think of yourself as a big boy.

Keep on running at the mouth, Ya never know that person you stepped on might come back and supprise you! Unlike you I do care what people think about me. I want people to know, Yea I have problems, but I am honest enough, and hard working enough, to fix them problems. I don't think im bigger then anyone and I myself would never put you down, or anyone else, for spelling or grammer. I guess you got me on that! You are way more intelligent in this area then I am sir. Way to go to point it out for the 1000th time. :thumbsup

Im not pissed at you im just dissapointed at you, you of all people and some others that would open thier mouths and put down people that are new to this business the way you have done today sir.

IT takes a big man to put others down that cant afford things such as $750.00. To you it might be chump change to me and my kids its a mortage, Your right again maybe I should find another job but ya know what I wont! I wont let the likes of you, visa, or anyone else run me out of business EVER! I have worked to hard to get where I am at now. My grammer and spelling has gotten better and will cont. to. You and anyone else that loves to put down others cause of there grammer,spelling,$$$ problems are real good business men/women! It would really make want to do business with you. * yea right*

Just remember its the little people as myself that helps keep money in your pocket. Its little people like us that help promote your sites, buy your content, build your galleries etc... So you keep on thinking and shoutting that you are happy to see us all go. :thumbsup


I can 100% understand if you would of said you were happy because maybe it will stop the cheaters, the rip off's but NO you attck people like me and the other little guys. I know must be one proud person.

Have a great life mate
TOM
Ps and what im upset about is not just this thread, its the rest of the threads as well as this one. I just picked this one to vent my frustations on. Sorry you couldn't see that.