This whole Visa thing just fuckin' sucks.
 

Globill or netbilling.....

guess I might as well just flip a damn coin. :disgust

I take it you have ruled out a merchant account and the 3 Pay Now Or Be Fucked compaines.

I think I'll sell my sites, buy a ticket to columbia and smuggle drugs back to Europe.
That's secure money.

check out probilling yet amp ?

GloBill has good fast service, but they make it very easy
to cancel rebilling. Last time I checked they were giving
3 chances to cancel a rebill for every signup spot.
Most likely why they're still well with all this going on.

Over all happy with em, hey if you're not selling crap,
what's your worries...

*dusting off my mainstream business*

I sale my sites

Easy to cancel is a GOOD thing. Give your customer what they want. That is part of the customer service part of the biz. If they want to stop they will remember it was easy on your site if it was. Chances are they might come back because of it or might mention your site to thier dorm buddy.

well, netbilling IS a merchant account.... but yes, I have ruled out the new 3rd party billing nazis. I can't afford to put everything at risk and hope Visa doesn't find a site they don't like. Wouldn't be so bad if they just killed that site, but killing me off for processing altogether for anything, I just can't do.

So yeah, it's either Globill or some other processor that doesn't succumb to this shit, or a merchant account. If I have to face Visa, I'll do it with my own merchant, and not put my life into a 3rd party's hands.

not yet.... I'll do it now. Are they not affected by all of this?

I signed up again for a site I'm adverting using Globill on Sept. 15
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Username:
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Date: 2002-9-15 9:31:26
Customer Number:
Price: $29.95
Name:

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1. IF YOU TRY TO DISPUTE or DENY a valid charge, your credit card or checking account along with your name and address will immediately be added to a negative database. The negative database is shared by thousands of merchants on the internet, both large and small, and you will not be able to purchase goods or services from said merchants in the future.

2. IF YOU TRY TO DISPUTE or DENY a VALID charge, you will be sent an invoice for the disputed amount by regular postal mail. A copy will also be sent to your bank and credit card company. The invoice will include the following information:

(a) The name of the site you paid to access
(b) Your IP address when you signed up,
(c) The day and time of your signup,
(d) Original charge amount owed plus a $25 fee for dispute processing .

3. If you do not pay the invoice within 30 days, a second invoice will be sent. The second invoice will include the following information:

(a) Access logs detailing when you accessed the site in question and what ISP you used to do so.
(b) Examples of any files and/or pictures and/or video captures of any information you downloaded from the site after gaining your username and password.

4. If the second invoice is not paid within 30 days, your file will be forwarded to one of the 17 collection agencies that we work with on all five continents.

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Thats it. No other mails or statements about canceling.
Been adverting the site for 4 months but not aggressively until this past week or so. (have many signups that havent had the chance to rebill)
Total signups: 459
# of which are rebills: 126

I heard somewhere thiers an option to have differant statement/mailings but I'm unsure.

I only removed the sites access link and personal info.

Never had a chargeback that I've ever noticed or been informed of.

i love how they threaten the consumer with 3 chances to pay up or your ass is being blacklisted and we are getting a hardcore collection agency to fuck you up!

hahahahaa

they are definitely my top choice before a merchant!

Maybe visa loves globil
tahts why the getting mad hookups

:)

I have customers who have being rejoining my site since it opened last Dec..... I give a bit of a discount if they join for 2 or 3 months ! :) So they join for a few months take a week off and rejoin !

you've got one of the most positive attitudes I've seen through all of this.... I like the way you think... :thumbsup

I was talking to Jettis today and it sounds like international webmasters will be able to continue buisness with them as usual. They wouldnt go into detail until the official announcement but its sounding really good.

This is ground breaking for me since I've been working on a bunch of paysites and things for the past couple months only to receive this visa regulations bullshit.

I hope it works out for me and for everyone!