China's growing
 

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/17...rket-by-users/

Are you prepared, yet? :winkwink:

Just because they use the internet does not mean that they purchase online. Most of the people using it will be doing so in internet cafe's.

but aren't those exactly the surfers everyone is going after in 2008? :winkwink:

the highest luxury products spending will also be in china soon.

Until China allows porn, no one cares, in this industry anyways. They're all BW whores.

Right now I detect and redirect Chinese traffic.

I think what we need to see in adult are paysites offering prices for the Chinese that they can actually afford instead of just doing a USD conversion.

I'm not an expert on this issue, but I know that in USD terms they work for like $2 an hour and are able to live off of that. So to ask them to pay $30 USD a month for a site membership is something that seems like few can afford there.

Has this ever been discussed before?

Would it be better to have special pricing for the Chinese that is like $5 a month and then limit their bandwidth if necessary? Maybe have an alternative members area for them.

I believe purchasing porn can lend them - as the end user - in jail... so I'm not sure any pricing structure is "the answer" at present.

We have some Chinese customers,not many but seems to me those can afford to pay the 30$. The problem there is not a pricing, is a restrictions and the way of billing.

These guys don't even have credit cards, so billing them by phone is probably the only solution...but give it another decade, political changes are inevitable with a flourishing economy.

You guys make a big mistake...China has a small middle class that are willing
to buy porn and they can afford it too.....the middleclass being small doesn't
mean there's very few of them......a small percentage of over 1 billion people
is still a hell of a lot of people. Same goes for India and Russia, these economies
grow by more than 300% a year.......it's time to think about that and get
ready coz you're losing money if you don't......


I'm an idiot for pointing this out I know....what can I say.....I'm too nice
for this world :winkwink:

Keep dreaming man......and they all have bad teeth and work in rice fields :1orglaugh

The difficulty is to adapt our products to their liking and mindsets. Asian are
quite different than the rest of the world. Proper translation to their language
is a MUST, and also adapting the kind of content is key to success....I'm starting
to look into doing full versions to that market as just a quick chinese
conversion doesn't work that well as with some other markets.

Small part of Chinese peoples are extremely wealthy and so called "middle class" is growing fast. There would be lots of potential if their goverment would not block porn sites. Too bad it seems like it will be the case soon in Europe too...

If you create a site called "tall blonde amazon women dominating chinese men", half of the nation will buy memberships.

not surprising, they had the biggest population! :upsidedow

I'd love to see some evidence backing up your claim.

Yeah, 2 billion people buying a sugar coated cat toe for a treat == big time profits!!!

I'd not take Communist word at face value. China's GDP in real terms is overvalued by 40%, and Chinese population is undervalued by several hundred million.

Chinese government is notorious for making up statistics.

With oil prices at $100/barrel, there are (already) energy shortages all over the country.

China will be the next ruling empire.

Given that many many Chinese men believe in "shrinking penis syndrome", you might want to consider sending them here
:pimp

They still wont buy shit

its the piracy capitol of the world. no thank you

You'd better hope not.

With over 1.3 billion inhabitants, about one-fifth of the world's population, China is the world?s most populous nation and is experiencing exponential growth in practically all areas ? including internet usage.

Some 137m people, about 10% of the overall population, are already online, and this figure is expected to grow rapidly in the next few years ? making it arguably the world?s most attractive market in the long term.

The sheer size and potential afforded by this vast market are simply too big to ignore. One study recently concluded that China is already the world?s largest consumer of (offline) porn.

When it comes to online, your entire business model will need to be adjusted to accommodate the unique characteristics of this market.

For starters, porn is technically illegal in China. The Chinese authorities do their best to censor the internet, a task which can never be realised due to its organic growth. To check if you have been blocked, go to www.greatfirewallofchina.org ? if so, Chinese surfers are taken to a decidedly unsexy page of the ?Ministry of Fisheries and Agriculture?.

Despite a growing Internet-savvy middle class, online purchases in China have been slow to take off with traditional payment systems. Credit card-based payment systems that succeeded in North America and Europe have proven ineffective in China, where credit card usage remains low.

Furthermore, wages in China are low. A white collar Manager can expect to earn about $500 a month. Thus, selling a $29.90 monthly credit card subscription to him is futile on two counts : It is very unlikely he has one and even if he did, the subscription would represent an enormous proportion of his overall disposable income.

Clearly, cash is not suitable for web transactions. However, there is one payment device that practically all Chinese have access to ? the phone. Indeed, cellphone penetration in China is beginning to rival those of more developed markets.

Since the payouts available via such billing are less, you simply give them less time. After all, a monthly subscription usually equates to about a cost of about a dollar a day. So give them (say) 24 hours access if they pay you this way.

Another important consideration is that of language. Only about a quarter of Chinese learn English at high school, so it is imperative that you communicate with your new prospective clients in a language they understand ? theirs!

Your phone processor should be able to provide you with geo-ip tools that will enable you to easily accomplish this. If not, you should consider switching to one that does.

Then, and only then, can you start to make money ?made in China?:pimp

Kill Charley

You are all naive and stupid. You don't understand how things work in Asia, even if something costs 1 penny to buy they still won't buy it as long as it can be downloaded and shared for free.

In Asian couturiers you are considered mentally weak and a sucker if you buy non tangible goods (dvds, software, porn). The few people that do buy instead of copy are very quite about it as it is a sign of weakness of character.

Gates cracked the Chinese issue and is able to sell windows there now and he actually has celebrity status. He first decided he would rather have his content pirated instead of people useing linux. Then it was figured that it was cheaper to pirate his instead of linux do to the number of disks. He has worked deals, lowered prices to what people are willing to pay and has near full market share. He has been able to litterally ween people off of pirating his software and paying for more applications of it.

As far as your sterotype it is so far flung that I do not even know where to start at with it.

interesting...

The only thing that will come out of it is those 25% that do speak English 500,000 of them will become webmasters and push profit margins for the average American webmaster to zero.

For every thing the average American webmaster can put on the web in one day his Chinese colleague can put 20.

Here's a starting point, go to any American city and see who owns the pirated dvd stores.


"As far as your sterotype it is so far flung that I do not even know where to start at with it."

So the language barrier is actually good for something. :thumbsup

I do not think it matters when Chinese surfers can not access the web without being censored. They are useless, besides they do not buy anything and are not within grasp of conducting business with.

In essence they are isolated and still pennyless unable to buy anything or sell for that matter. So its rather a moot point.

Pakastani's?

Maybe, but last time I checked Pakistan was still in Asia.

25% of a billion is still a very big number

Not surprised, but they ain't paying for porn sites

There you go... and not to mention alot of Chinese are tech savvy, so password sharing is rampant, with no consequences.

Ya but the continent of Asia does not equal Chinese. Pakistan and China are two separate countries and are different in almost every aspect from culture to religion.

Also my answer to your question was more of a stab since the only time I have been in a store that had what appeared to be counterfeit and bootlegged material was owned and ran by some Pakistani family. I took a wild guess when on their video rental shelf was a few titles still in the theaters. It was out of town and we popped in because the sign outside mentioned blown glass. Discovered they recently had bought the store and what glass was left was very minimal. They just had stocked up on video rentals, assorted tourist crap, junk food, and a scary looking deli section. Purchased two bottled soda's and bolted.

not surprised out of the billions of them..

for those of you who said Chinese have no money, you guys have no idea what you are talking about. The middle class of China is growing very rapidly and so is their disposable income, they might not be buying porn and other things online but they buy, and can afford high end items like you wont believe.

Just spend a weekend in Hong Kong and see how the mainland tourists spend, they buy designer goods, lots of gold and electronics that are even too expensive for the Western travellers.

The sad part is that as the middle class is growing rich, the poorer class is growing that much more poorer.

China IIIIIIS growing....

You obviously know little about them, they ONLY buy from other Chinese, not from any inferior Caucasians. That is one of the secrets to their phenomenal success.

The only time they will buy something from an inferior Caucasian is to copy or reverse engineer it.

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_8230462

Anyone interested in marketing to China should bookmark www.goodtao.com :winkwink:

good to know

lol yeah. First time that I have ever come across an American that lives in China. And has a pig called Kim Jong as a pet:1orglaugh

Same people were praising Nazi Germany growth in the 1930s and financing the evil 3rd Reich.

The only people who think life is about money are those who don't have any.

heh, tell that to the majority of the politicians in washington