Value is a worthless concept because all concepts have value regardless.
 

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too smart for your own good?

I'm speaking specifically of "the conceptic value of concepts"

or.

"the value of value of value..."

or.

"the conceptic value of concept valuation"

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"the concept of valuating concepts"

How much does loss weigh?

As much as a "weight loss" lost if a weight loss could lose weight.

I am speaking of the value of loss.

And just how heavy loss can be regarding those values.

How long would a weight loss wait if a weight loss lost a weight loss toss could a weight loss pause for a weight loss lost in a space moss clause of a most lost cause.

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This is simple. If loss is a concept then it has no value. We have already proven prioviously that value has no value which has no value and so on.

PROOF: If value *can* have no value -- then the value of value must have no value -- and the value of that value of the value will find it not possible to have value and so on infinitum. The infinite, albiet "temporary" loss of value creates a sort of black hole of value with infinite universal permeation. Therefore the temporal nature of our supposition is moot bacause the ubiquity of infinity proves that there is an ultimate truth. And we must point out that Truth *can* exist without value, because the value of truth is the value of the value of the value of the value of the truth infinitely... Therefore if all value has value then value is meaningless and if value has no value then all value is meaningless -- so value must have no meaning and if value has no meaning then value is meaningless. I've thus also proven by means of the universe that the universe has no value because of the same course of logic followed to achieve this point of awareness. Now you may ask yourself -- what if there is a gradation of value? Value levels if you will. Interesting idea but every level of value, even if there were a numeric count *or* if there were infinite levels of value, ALL VALUES of CONCEPTS -- so each "sub-concept" would have a measurable value which can be applied again to the basic Truth of this proof. Also note that if you have an infinite number of concepts to describe a valuation -- then you would also be able to have an infinite amount of "infinities" -- and that would be pointless because infinity already includes the infinite so why be redundant?"

So weight exists as a Truth -- "Weight" -- without an intrinsic value. Weight as a valuation now becomes a descriptor minus value. Description cancels the value of value as a value, and so on, infinite.

Do you feel smarter for knowing this? Smartness now becomes another Truth -- smartness without value is pure genius -- pure being a reduntant descriptor because all genius is purely rendered by the mind. It is only for you to discover that purity.

You cant just disregard the definition of a word.

val·ue Pronunciation Key (vly)
n.
An amount, as of goods, services, or money, considered to be a fair and suitable equivalent for something else; a fair price or return.

If value has no value, then definition has no meaning.

Kinda like all the big words put together in the post above.

:winkwink:

Yeah, you can wax intellectual all you want but unless you stick to the rules, its just bs. Which is cool..bs is cool...

Well said Fletch XXX

If concepts can be formed at a certain time -- then concepts must also have a duration. Because if you have a starting of something there must also be an ending...

Start no stop =

1. Starting Never Stop
a. If you start and never stop, you are suggesting infinity. If infinity can exist then it can't just be in one direction -- it must consume all space and time simultaneously, for infinity as a concept must be all-inclusive of everything in order to exist as a concept. For infinity to exist, it must be infinite iself. Once you have suggested infinity -- you will not be able to suggest a partial infinity or a broken linear infinity such as a geometric "ray".
2. Never Stop Never Starting

We can prove that time does not exist because a line in infinite. In order for time to exist as a concept -- it must move in a linear fashion moving from beginning to end -- along an infinite "line"... But in order for there to be a hypothetical "experience" of time as a concept -- in order to realize it in our imagination as a concept -- it must encompass infinity... In a sense, time is timeless. Time has no time -- the reversal of opposites proving the infinity of error. The time of time defeats itself. If time can have no time -- then the time of time can have no time -- infinity. If time has time -- then time is timeless and then time again defeats itself.

Perhaps time created itself during the very first concept of Time by the infinity of this reversal -- time without time compressed infinitely in an infinite space with "timeless-ness" -- that being a hypothetical experience of "all time" staggered infinitely with segments of stop and start time that can be "experienced" by the common human mind.

(Note: Was there a first conception or a first to "conceive" of Time -- Stop Start -- the "Birth of Time" -- or was Time "fathered-in" by being always conceived -- in other words, Was Time always Time all of the time without a birth!? Imagine that if Time was never born -- could there be a God to Will Time into Existence?)

Let's get back to a concept formation as a ray of time -- something starting with no ending...

ray
n.

A thin line or narrow beam of light or other radiant energy.
A graphic or other representation of such a line.

Radiance; light.
A small amount; a trace: not a ray of hope left.
Mathematics. A straight line extending from a point. Also called half-line.

If a line extends to infinity, and suggests "everything" -- then the line must also include everything -- and so a half of everything is still everything and so a half of infinity can't exist -- a half of a line can't be a ray because a line is infinite by definition and so lines can't exist because there is the 3rd dimension which is an exclusion or inclusion of infinity -- and therefore the inclusion in your thinking of any visualized description/geometric descriptor with attached "infinity elements" must be useless for a wise person. Future thought on this matter?

Can a future exist as long as an infinity exists? Maybe there is no future and no past -- only a Now -- an eternal Now awareness within or without the grasp of our experience of reality -- or Life as we see it.

You're trying to sound intelligent by attaching value words to your replies -- which is in a sense creating an opinion of value. But it's only an opinion, and your opinion has no value. Besides: definition has meaning -- then my definition of value without meaning must have meaning -- because meaning always has meaning -- otherwise meaning can't exist. Meaning must have meaning which must have meaning *OR* meaning must have no meaning which has no meaning -- in either case -- meaning is meaningless -- and if meaning is meaningless then definition is also meaningless and so is value.

It's really a simple thing -- value is a matter of perception. The best concept in the world is no good if it is not perceived as having value.

Money, for example, is no good if people don't perceive it's value, as witnessed by the fact that in many non US countries like Cuba the US dollar is the preferred currency since no one sees the native currency as having any value.

Gas mileage is no good, if people don't see it as a valuable part of an automobile, and choose to buy large vehicles that get 10 mpg, instead of compact cars that get 3 times that, or even vehicles that don't run on gasoline.

Perception is reality in many cases, not because it supports the facts of the situation but because humans are not driven by facts alone.

And thats where advertising comes in.

"The #1 blah blah blah as rated by blah blah blah"

If you can convince people they need something, then you can sell them anything. There is your value. How much can you make it worth?

I am trying to sound intelligent? Hah. You be the one attatching big words in run on rambling sentence, not I. I quoted a definition to a *word* you claim a *concept.*

Then theres no need to carry on a discussion, is there?

The *value* of your/my opinion is not the question.

If definition has meaning, then you cannot disregard the meaning of the definition of a *word* and call it a concept.

meaning needs not *meaning* or *non meaning* - meaning needs a value (a given variable of meaning.)

I just perceived the value of your meaningless statement. In other words I'm beginning to understand the use of value -- so if value has a use -- then value is useful! I'm leaning from KimmyKim! Can something be worthless but still useful? What is the use? The fact of this situation is that i'm wasting time thinking about the worthlessness of something useful -- and yet as a human, somehow I am still driven by this thread.

I guess Metaform came out with his self-marketing book, with all TheFLY posts today

Just goes to show that even a worthless human can sit around and contemplate something which may or may not have value, depending on which way they perceive it...

Why does meaning need value? Is that some kind of survival instinct?

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Are you speaking from experience?

erm, meaning is a noun, its a compliment of another "object, value" or whatever you want to call it.

i.e. I don't know the meaning of life... It relates to life directly.

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I don't know how TheFly's parent's didn't put him out of the obvious misery he would cause us on GFY, when he was a kid.

What a dork

She can't be... She's like the younger sister I never had... (even tho I already have one)...

Where's someone to prove your worth?

this thread has no value or meaning.

How about time is money, and therefore this is turning into quite an expensive thread.

I just wasted five bucks, thanks a lot!

KimmyKim is largely right. It seems to me that value is an opinion or stipulation that something is equal or disequal to something else. The value of a dollar is 1/2 a cup of Starbuck's latte or an hour in a parking spot. A trial membership to any site Labret builds is NOT worth $1.


It also has another meaning designating an emotional attachment. We "value" our children or we "value" our reputation among our friends or colleagues.

Perception = Reality? I've always found that perception is reality only in the mind of the observer. Unless, of course, the observer understands the cardinal rule of observation: Perception is NOT reality. Those who believe that it is will always have their perceptions manipulated to serve those who know that it is not. Just ask any politician or marketing expert.

Value as a concept can be debated into infinity with no value ever being produced. This is because value is not only a concept. It has *VALUE* in that it is defined as the worth of "item X" to the observer. In this case perception can become reality if the same perception is shared by enough people. Like in a marketplace. Of course, this is also where those marketing experts come in. By manipulating your perception, they presuppose for you the value of "item X" and actually create the reality for you. Bottom line, if people will pay $25 for item X, but it only cost 50 cents to produce, then it's value is $25, not 50 cents. If everyone said "bullshit" and refused to pay more than $2 for the thing, then $2 would be its value. Which can't be that bad, 300% profit is pretty good in most cases. Thus, value does have value, as does any concept that can be applied in reality. Value exists in both the negative and the positive. The real question is: does anything of truly zero value exist, and if so, how is that possible?:2 cents:

Nick

The silence of silence?

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everything does seem to have some sort of value. a tree,chair,car,house,toothpick. all of these words have a value in that they are all tangible i guess. but there is one word that we have come up with for no value or no anything. that is the word "NOTHING" what the hell is that? its nothing, empty, not there. hmmmmm

Appearance, perception, and reality are wildly differeent things. Appearance and perception are typically very dependent on vibrations and waves. Reality consists of subatomic particles which form "solid" matter. But matter is not as solid as it appears. Subatomic particles are said to be SO small, that all of the matter in existence could be squished down to a sphere the size of a large orange or a grapefruit, if all of the empty space were taken out.

i like oranges :)

"Value is a worthless concept because all concepts have value regardless."

I conceive that DrewKole is without value and as you stated "all concepts have value regardless."