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L-Pink 01-10-2008 06:38 AM

$2,500. car and a guarantee of higher gas prices.
 
"Tata Company Chairman Ratan Tata announces the newly launched Tata Nano at the 9th Auto Expo in New Delhi, India, Thursday, Jan. 10, 2008. India's Tata Motors unveiled its much anticipated US$2,500 car, an ultracheap price tag that suddenly brings car ownership into the reach of tens of millions of people across the world"

http://www.imagefilez.com/out.php/i2...pcardel104.jpg

Well Americans, our thirst for cheaper products and higher corporate profits led to out-sourcing and almost complete exodus of the manufacturing sector.
The jobs this has brought India and China has of course increased the oil consumption of their factories and the prosperity while increasing the quality of life has also created more competition for limited oil reserves.

Were cheaper prices at Wal-Mart worth the soaring gas prices additional millions of drivers will bring? Fuck no. $3.00 per gallon gas prices will soon be considered cheap.

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Diligent 01-10-2008 06:46 AM

Looks like it's gonna bite our asses in more ways...; if I'm not mistaking, it's chassis is supposedly 100% some kind of PLASTIC..! :helpme

Odin 01-10-2008 06:55 AM

The fact though, it was either allow for these nations to come up to prosperous levels or forever give them ineffective aid. As much as higher gas prices hit everyone, and particularly in the West with the knock on effect to working families of higher inflation > higher mortgage rates, perhaps it is needed in order to make it more economical for alternatives power sources to take off. I am sure no electric car company (of which there are very few serious ones) really sighs when gas prices go up. If they keep going at current rates, I predict within 10 years a large proportion of new cars will be battery powered or otherwise.

L-Pink 01-10-2008 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief (Post 13632921)
The fact though, it was either allow for these nations to come up to prosperous levels or forever give them ineffective aid. As much as higher gas prices hit everyone, and particularly in the West with the knock on effect to working families of higher inflation > higher mortgage rates, perhaps it is needed in order to make it more economical for alternatives power sources to take off. I am sure no electric car company (of which there are very few serious ones) really sighs when gas prices go up. If they keep going at current rates, I predict within 10 years a large proportion of new cars will be battery powered or otherwise.

Good points but any reduction in aid won't increase the take home pay of any of us. Electric cars will hit the market for the wrong reasons, suddenly cost competitive rather than efficient.

LilBro 01-10-2008 07:10 AM

my honda spree scooter back in the ealry 90s had bigger wheels lol


BUT higher gas prices will not deliver electric trucks. what about all the trucks that are local. For example: the guy that distributes Wise potato chips or Peppridge Farm Bread and has a route.... these products are going to double, triple in cost soon too due to gas prices....

GatorB 01-10-2008 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief (Post 13632921)
The fact though, it was either allow for these nations to come up to prosperous levels or forever give them ineffective aid.


No you let disease and starvation wipe out 3/4 of the country because it's too fucking populated. India is 1/3 of the size of the United States and has 4 times the people. To put it in perspective, imagine California with 135 million people. Or the whole US with 4.5 billion people. That's India. When CHINA of all places has 1/3 your population density you're fucking up.

L-Pink 01-10-2008 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13632977)
When CHINA of all places has 1/3 your population density you're fucking up.

What a fucking point. I've never seen it stated like that.

Odin 01-10-2008 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 13632947)
Good points but any reduction in aid won't increase the take home pay of any of us. Electric cars will hit the market for the wrong reasons, suddenly cost competitive rather than efficient.

I disagree. I think it's creating a market, which will in turn create competition that will bring further efficiency. Electric cars are already becoming rather efficient and realistic though. If you look at Tesla Motors for instance I think you will see the future, and big car companies will take their lead and further the market as it becomes more realistic. Laptop batteries (the kind used by Tesla) are already improving at a storage rate of 10% per year, so even without any major breakthroughs in 10 years time we could well have $20k family cars that can travel 400 miles on a single charge.

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13632977)
No you let disease and starvation wipe out 3/4 of the country because it's too fucking populated. India is 1/3 of the size of the United States and has 4 times the people. To put it in perspective, imagine California with 135 million people. Or the whole US with 4.5 billion people. That's India. When CHINA of all places has 1/3 your population density you're fucking up.

I don't really disagree that they are overpopulated, and overpopulating this planet, but I don't know that allowing 3/4 of their population to be wiped out is really a solution, much as it may free up the worlds resources.

GatorB 01-10-2008 07:32 AM

You know your county is fucked up when if you're "1 in a million" that still means there are over 1000 others exactly like you.

Jensen 01-10-2008 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 13632880)
$3.00 per gallon gas prices will soon be considered cheap.
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that is a dirt cheap 3rd world price for us... current price in Norway is roughly $8.50 a gallon...

(start sending sales, I need cash!)

L-Pink 01-10-2008 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief (Post 13632998)
I disagree. I think it's creating a market, which will in turn create competition that will bring further efficiency. Electric cars are already becoming rather efficient and realistic though.

Then again what we are looking at is a market created by bad policy decisions and escalating costs that will prove devastating until that technology becomes the norm.

We needed electric or other forms of energy driven transportation, we just don't need the economic blow that's soon to come. Also having these future cars produced in India or China for cost reasons doesn't really help our economy.

L-Pink 01-10-2008 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jensen (Post 13633033)
that is a dirt cheap 3rd world price for us... current price in Norway is roughly $8.50 a gallon...

(start sending sales, I need cash!)

Yea but that includes how much in taxes? Also look at it in percentage increases. Have your prices doubled or tripled over the last few years? What will happen if your price goes up to $20. because of increased demand.

It's the increase in future demand that will hit every one of us.

V_RocKs 01-10-2008 07:55 AM

That isn't a car, it is a golf cart.

sortie 01-10-2008 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13633007)
You know your county is fucked up when if you're "1 in a million" that still means there are over 1000 others exactly like you.

If India or China had engaged in world wide imperialism like England, France, Spain and other European countries then their populations would be more spread out through the world and thus less population in their countries.

So they are "fucked up" because they didn't engage in world wide imperialism.

Antonio 01-10-2008 08:00 AM

1st of all its for midgets
2nd of all by the time it reaches Europe it'll be $12 999.00 with all the duties and taxes

sortie 01-10-2008 08:02 AM

Gatorb:

PS: Another way to look at it is imagine if all english decendents in North America, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand etc...were all packed back into England right now! So imperialism is the reason England doesn't have 1 billion people.

L-Pink 01-10-2008 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 13633103)
1st of all its for midgets
2nd of all by the time it reaches Europe it'll be $12 999.00 with all the duties and taxes

Doesn't matter if it ever reaches Europe, the home and third world countries it does reach will boost oil prices.

Jensen 01-10-2008 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 13633103)
1st of all its for midgets
2nd of all by the time it reaches Europe it'll be $12 999.00 with all the duties and taxes

It won't reach Europe due to safety regulations... same with other cheap cars, like the chinese ones..

GatorB 01-10-2008 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie (Post 13633108)
Gatorb:

PS: Another way to look at it is imagine if all english decendents in North America, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand etc...were all packed back into England right now! So imperialism is the reason England doesn't have 1 billion people.

you=retard.

China never tried to invade Japan or Korea?

Jensen 01-10-2008 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 13633058)
Yea but that includes how much in taxes? Also look at it in percentage increases. Have your prices doubled or tripled over the last few years? What will happen if your price goes up to $20. because of increased demand.

It's the increase in future demand that will hit every one of us.

True, compared to income we've got "cheap" prices (compared to other european countries). Tax was 64% in 2006 and the prices has been pretty much stabil after 1998.

However, Norway is a large producer of oil and gas and profit on an increased price.. our petrolium fund is growing to insane propotions every day (about 96% of the profit from oil and gas is put into a fund investing the money)...

sortie 01-10-2008 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13633158)
you=retard.

China never tried to invade Japan or Korea?

:1orglaugh

Japan invaded China and Korea. Japan was the imperialistic nation in the region. China built like this big fucking wall to stop invasions in either direction. It's a really famous wall but the name slips my mind right now.
Well, anyway it was a "Great Wall". :1orglaugh

pornguy 01-10-2008 08:50 AM

It will bite our asses ONLY if we dont do something about the amount of fuel each vehicle uses per mile. If you have a car that gets 80 mph, I dont think 3 dollars is going to bug you much.

sortie 01-10-2008 08:50 AM

PS by "either direction" above I'm refering to keeping China in and the Mongols out.

tranza 01-10-2008 08:51 AM

$3.00 per gallon IS cheap pretty much everywhere in the World.

:2 cents:

L-Pink 01-10-2008 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jensen (Post 13633174)
our petrolium fund is growing to insane propotions every day (about 96% of the profit from oil and gas is put into a fund investing the money)...

Wow! I had no idea. That's like a national trust fund.


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GatorB 01-10-2008 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie (Post 13633234)
:1orglaugh

Japan invaded China and Korea. Japan was the imperialistic nation in the region. China built like this big fucking wall to stop invasions in either direction. It's a really famous wall but the name slips my mind right now.
Well, anyway it was a "Great Wall". :1orglaugh

China has been around for thousands of years. You know of nothing that happen before the recent past. Go and tell me what happpened 4000 years ago fucktard. Did you build a time machine? Chinese warlords often attacked each other in order to gain territory. Now STFU shithead.

Also durring the korean war I beleive China entered korea. Go ask any vet that served in that war who they were fighting.

GatorB 01-10-2008 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza (Post 13633258)
$3.00 per gallon IS cheap pretty much everywhere in the World.

:2 cents:

Most European countries are very small. Doesn't take much gas to go from one side to the other. Also they have public transportation.

L-Pink 01-10-2008 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza (Post 13633258)
$3.00 per gallon IS cheap pretty much everywhere in the World.

:2 cents:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13633299)
Most European countries are very small. Doesn't take much gas to go from one side to the other. Also they have public transportation.

I can't believe we are buying oil cheaper that other countries, are we? The higher cost must be a form of user tax by the government. Our government has other ways to hit us up for money. Don't know if that's a fair example.

sortie 01-10-2008 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13633287)
China has been around for thousands of years. You know of nothing that happen before the recent past. Go and tell me what happpened 4000 years ago fucktard. Did you build a time machine? Chinese warlords often attacked each other in order to gain territory. Now STFU shithead.

Also durring the korean war I beleive China entered korea. Go ask any vet that served in that war who they were fighting.

4000 years ago would be about the Xia Dynasty where there is no mention from there to anytime in the future of invading Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xia_Dynasty

During the Korean war, China entered, not invaded, Korea to help North Korea repell US forces into the south.

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_war

In China, the conflict was known as the War to Resist America and Aid Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_war

See also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_...rance_of_China


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Rochard 01-10-2008 10:35 AM

Every car I buy costs me more and sucks down more gas. I'm fine with that.

L-Pink 01-10-2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 13633668)
Every car I buy costs me more and sucks down more gas. I'm fine with that.

I sent money to have 20 acres of rain-forest bulldozed in your name.


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Brother Bilo 01-10-2008 12:07 PM

Regardless of how effecient that car may be, as soon as it has a collision with a gas hog of a truck like mine, it's fucking done for.

That car = death trap

HighEnergy 01-10-2008 12:25 PM

Maybe WalMart will be the US distributor. It's the same price range as some of their lawn tractors.

TubeTitans_SusieQ 01-10-2008 12:30 PM

very shitty

L-Pink 01-10-2008 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HighEnergy (Post 13634262)
Maybe WalMart will be the US distributor. It's the same price range as some of their lawn tractors.

It would also be very ironic :Oh crap


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