NATS & TMM: USA Today "On Deadline"
 

If they blogged it today, expect a report tomorrow.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...s-securit.html

fuck off and die already

You already wished me dead once today, give me a minute, will ya? It takes a while for the exhaust fumes to fill the car up!

You're kidding!!

Keith, the story was first reported on and broke on GFY and it wasn't by you, why don't you correct that fact with your sources?


there is so many things wrong with that quote on so many levels.

- " received death threats " 1 fake nick on gfy makes a comment and you going to take it as someone being serious. It is one thing to pass the "threat" on to the police but you are trying to make it sound 100x worse for varies reasons, so you can be the victim, try to make what you doing seem more noble, whatever.

- " I have been kicked out the industry almost entirely". LOL again you make yourself sound like something you are not. You own a couple defunct adult sites and even you claim that 95% of your income is mainstream. You weren't really "in" this industry to start with and just because people on GFY are bitching about you that doesn't represent everyone in the whole community. Believe me, if you actually had traffic, i bet 99% of the companies on GFY would take it. If you had a server, 99% of the hosts would host it. If you could afford to pay for design 99% of the designers would do the work for you. If you wanted to buy traffic, 99% of the sites would sell to you. Money talks and it appears you dont have much or you don't spend it in this industry, so it is kind of hard to get " kicked out" when you are not here doing business in the first place. All that has happened to you is a bunch of people bitching about on you GFY " have been kicked out of the adult industry almost entirely. " Too Fucking funny.

After reading those quotes above it, I may not be sure what your initial intentions were with all of this (likely John pissed you off) but it is clear now you are just a drama whore, because what you said screams " look at me! look at me! " " poor me" and it couldn't be the furtherest thing from the truth.

When did you come out of the closet ? Have you told your parents ? How did they take the fact that there son is GAY ?

All in the last 5 min.

http://www.version2.dk/artikel/5772
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/101289
http://www.computable.nl/nieuws.jsp?...319&id=2267902

You are correct, the ones who broke the stories were the ones who owned the programs and posted their findings here.

His quote is pure insanity. It tries to make it look like everyone threatened to kill him and that the industry shunned him. He wasn't in the industry to begin with, and as you said, the death threats weren't even really death threats and were made by a retarded fake nick on GFY.

I said from the start. This is an important issue that deserves a lot of scrutiny. But this guy is just looking for attention. Claiming to have broken a story by copy and pasting some quotes on a blog is beyond delusional.

You - along with everyone else - do not know what I am up to, what I am planning on doing or where I spend my money. My adult sites are not defunt, they haven't even been launched for the most part. They are just getting started. There have been multiple threats made both on and off the forums. You should worry about yourself and your sites instead of worry about and trying to figure out what I have and don't have.

And no, they did not break the story. They were the sources. I broke the story because I was the first one to make it into a news story, blog it and then get it in the mainstream news. And wait a minute, you breeders have been telling me how this whole diabolical is going to take down the adult industry, now you want to fight with me over who broke the story and who got the ball rolling. LMFAO. Stupid breeders.

You've been around for 2 years now. I'm sorry, if you don't have anything more than a blog to show for it, it's clear your time management skills are severely lacking.

The guys who broke the story was the company who noticed their e-mail addresses were being spammed. Just because I make a blog post about Obama winning Iowa doesn't mean I "broke the story".

You are wrong. The washington post says O'Really? Do you find that a factual statement Keith ? So it didn't first " percolate" on GFY. It broke and was first made public on GFY and you know that.

I know what you tell us " I make 95% of my money from Mainstream" " I own 3 sites" and you listed them I believe so we saw what you do in adult. Point being, WHICH YOU IGNORED, because you know i am right, is that you weren't " I have been kicked out of the adult industry almost entirely. " You know that is TOTAL BULLSHIT. TOTAL. The industry does not = GFY, and like i said 99% of people in this industry are going to do business with you if you have either money or traffic.

Here some advice for you, take your abuse like a man without all the " look at me " fluff. I went after people for bullshit and got my fair share of abuse and bullshit made up about me, I didn't go cry and lie to the newspapers about how people were being mean to me.

You guys really care what these news sources are saying?

Porn buyers are the ONLY people that matter, and they have known about the email spam problem for years.

Nobody knows who tmm/nats is, nobody cares about this guys site or what he says. Any Christian, non-porn buying, hater, will eat this up and love it. Good, let them, they don't buy porn!

He is doing this for the traffic to his blog, duh. But it isn't like anyone is going to bookmark the damn thing, it's filled with nut job rants and this will be pushed off as exactly that once people read his blog.

The Porn buying male is going to read this and say, it's about damn time, spamming bastards, now where's my credit card? The other 90% don't read and that we have proven! :)

You're a totally different ballgame than this guy, will. I think his motives and motivations have been clear well before the NATS debacle. This is all about minusonebrain and nothing more.

Take another swig of TMM brew. You'll be sounding like John in no time.

Good for you, who fucking cares what you think?

I don't see how your article attacks or hurts TMM so I don't see how my post is acually about TMM.

You have clearly moved into a world that lets you think that you are attacking them and the adult industry, then all the people here buying into it because they see it from within the industry, this does nothing but feed you.

But since you are disturbed you are not able to view anything from outside your perspective. If you could look outside your sick world you would very clearly know that your attacks don't hurt tmm/nats at all. If you had spent any real time in our business you would understand how the mind of the porn buyer thinks.

I feel sorry for you, you have to feed your ego continually to feel like you can survive, that's so sad. If you need money to get help I will gladly pay the help and even take care of your bills if needed. I spent some hard years of my life after the Marines dealing with crap, I will gladly help others through it.

LOL i was thinking the same thing

minusonebit

Doesn't it suck that no one on the board likes you (From what I can tell)? Just bug the news outlets to publish the stories as it seems that's what you want. I don't think anyone really wants to hear it from you anymore. We get the point. And as someone mentioned if this is all just for traffic that's pretty sad.

As to why you havn't been banned is beyond me, this board doesn't need anymore DRAMA.

:2 cents:

Blah, blah, blah.

You are full of shit.

Isn't it a good thing that I am not here to make friends? This is a fucking business. And when someone like John is pissing in the pool, it fucks it up for everyone else. I don't give a damn who likes it and doesn't like it. If you want me banned, shut up and write Eric or Ice and ask them. Who knows, if enough of you ignorant little fuckers (opps, I meant breeders) send him requests they just might do it. I have not gotten shit for traffic out of it. No one blogs for a living here.

I did it because John is a piece of shit, this industry and a good portion of the people in it are similar to a toilet overflowing with feces that no one had the nerve to get close enough to to flush. Well, I flushed it. Sadly, I got covered in shit as a result of it but thats life. There is nothing that any of you on this board - or anyone who has ever been here - can do or say to make me feel bad about doing what I did or feel that I did it for the wrong reasons. I know what I did (and what I said) and I did it for the right reasons.

If you're too stupid to realize the fact that John is fucking you all then you deserve the fuckings he gives you, but your customers do not. Your customers do not deserve to have their inboxes loaded up with fucking spam nor do they deserve to have their purchase histories and billing data and whatever else was snagged taken out on the black market and sold. Nor do your fucking affiliates. So at the end of the day, I did it so that hopefully, after the dust settles, there will be no more TMM (which looks quite likely now - thank god) and maybe, just maybe, some of the people who would follow in John's footsteps and pull the stupid shit he has will think twice about it and as a result, the porn buying experience will be a little better, a little safer and a little more profitable for the few non-crooks here. The rest of the industry and the porn buying public should not suffer because you are too god damned greedy and you're willing to save a few bucks by using that pile of worthless shit called NATS and therefore continue to put everything at risk.

So there you have it. Flame away. Post fake phone book ads. Dig up past news pieces on me that were little more than character assassinations and quotes taken way the fuck out of context and try to make me feel bad about doing this. You'll try in vain and it won't fucking work. For that matter, keep wishing me dead. That won't happen, either. I will be around for a long, long time and I wont be going anywhere anytime soon, so just get used to the idea.

Now, fuck you and anyone who thinks like you.

Stupid fucking breeders. :321GFY

I'm really the biggest non-bullshitter on the board, I will call anyones card with no care of who you are. TheDoc is a character... but I really am a Marine that knows what it's like. When you are ready, just send me an ICQ.

It's amazing what people will do for others, even people that don't know you, but you have to be ready and want it yourself. Nobody can force it but you.

oh the irony :1orglaugh

Actually, if you must know, there was another one last night and there is one scheduled for tonight. Neither of them came from Craigslist. I found a new website to have fun on.

If this is like Boy Scouts, how many dicks do I have to suck before I can wear the faggot badge? Or do I also have to try anal first as well?

I guess Keith agrees with me here since he didn't bother to reply back.

Are you hitting on me? I seem to find twinks more attractive at this point in time... maybe I will develop a fetish for uniform and military guys later on.

I wonder how long it will take before someone shuts this clown up.

No will, you are trolling and I am not taking the bait.

I agree 100%. We don't need an asshole like him around here. We have enough of them

You know john pissed you off. He threatened to sue you and bully you and tried to scare you and hoped you would go away. You showed him. You know that was what got this going. You are not trying to clean up the industry.

Listen loud and clear to what I am saying: If you wanted to punish TMM or make sure you held them accountable you would have stopped with your letters to the Attorney General and FTC or whoever else you reported this to. ( In my opinion ) TMM should have been more forthcoming, they should have had better security measures in places protecting the master list of accounts, and they should have handeled things much better.

Now how in the hell does bringing this to the attention of local news papers help clean up the industry. The readers don't know who TMM or NATS is. The porn buyers will not boycott JOhn's company. They will not hold John accountable. You could have accomplished your mission by just working with the govt to make sure THEY did what was needed to do to make sure this didn't happen again.

Yes John fucked up, tried to keep it quiet, pissed you off, etc... whatever. If you really want to portray yourself as someone trying to clean up the industry why don't you start with spyware and companies like zango. They affect both mainstream and adult companies and they steal hundreds of millions of dollars in sales a year, and the shit is illegal. Why don't you go after them instead of someone who put too many of your credit card numbers on your receipt. Go after stolen content and try to help the millions of dollars of last sales there as well. So many HUGE issues that shit on this industry and you picked John fuck up which is a 1 on a scale of 1 - 10, 10 being spyware and stolen content. Spyware would have been the perfect thing for you, you get to protect surfers and mainstream and adult webmasters. Too bad Zango didn't threaten to sue you or you might actually be doing some good. :2 cents:

And who the fuck are you? What does your agreement or disagreement matter?

Trolling :1orglaugh

The Washington post reported that ICWT was where this story got started. I ask you if that is an accurate statement and you say I am trolling. :1orglaugh


You cry to the washington post how you are being forced out of adult, I simply ask you if you really believe that. If you actually had traffic or money 99% of the companies would do business with you. Your reply: you are trolling?

So can you post the hundreds of adult companies that you tried to do business with and they turned you down. If you going to tell a reporter that you are have all but been forced out, give us some examples. So who stopped doing business with you because of this? Who has turned you down and wont do business with you now, you make it sound like everyone.... and I am just trolling. I am asking honest fucking questions that you know you can't reply or spin. Don't confuse GFY posters giving you a hard time with you being forced out the industry. Please i hope you can tell the difference.

Its funny for someone who demands answers from other people and other companies you wont answer honest questions when someone asks you.

Because Zango is your issue. Why aren't you putting them under?

When you talk about stolen content, you mean tube sites and torrents. Why aren't I going after them? Because I don't care about them. In fact, I think it is possible to use torrent sites to one's advantage, a possibility that I am exploring in earnest. Like I said, none of you have any clue what I do, what I own or what I am up to. I keep it that way for a reason.

Sorry if you think this is " trolling".

But answer the question, yes or no. Is this statement made by the washington post correct:

Is it or is it not true that website owners posted about this here and you read about it here and made a blog entry about it on ICWT after the fact?

oh ok that makes sense now. I didn't realize we picked straws for issues and I got the zango straw and you got the TMM straw. :upsidedow

Why didn't I put zango under? I guess I am not as good as you. I didn't go to the papers and expose them for being involved with porn which would probably casuse some issues on their end if their investors or other companies using them didn't know how much mney they make from porn. I guess I didn't dedicate as much time to the issue that you did, maybe i am not as skillfull as you keith. Too bad you didn't go after an issue that would have really mattered.

I would reccomend no one do business with this guy.

I do not think I have ever said anything like this before but this guy is bad.
Check your affiliates lists, TGP submissions BLog Entries everything and block em, no services nothing.

Kieth Kimmel needs to be marked out entirelly from anything this business does and hopefully this guy will just go away.

I would hope that all of you black ball this guy if you have any connection to him whats so ever...

I know Alot of us do not like each other but each day we find a way to get along and do business and what this guy has done is beyond words and I can not recall anyone that has come to this business to deliberatly bring on the destruction of trust and confidence of our consumers and patrons.

I never told them I was being forced out of adult. That was on my blog. They picked a quote up from there. None the less, it is true. Most of you claim you wont do business with me, I did have one sponsor kill an account and I expect another one to do so pretty soon (good fucking riddance anyway, as soon as they actually kill the account, I am going to latch onto them like a fag latches onto a cock about their traffic leaks that I pointed out and they never fixed) and the death threats were made, including some off the board. Of course, you all claim that you won't do business with me but I am sure you'll be sucking my dick when its time for money to change hands because in this business, people that absolutely hate each other can still do business when the Benjamin's start moving.

You're not asking an honest question, you are asking a troll questions. Therefore, no answer for you.

Your right if he went after those things, they would of built a statue to him in Chatsworth. He could of got all the attention he wanted.
So with all the news articles out there do I have to start putting Nats free banners on the front of my sites? lol

well, if that isn't a personal frenzied attack on someone, I don't know what is :2 cents:

Don't worry, Alien. You I wont be doing business with. No need to concern yourself with that, after I asked you for an invoice and you came up with a smart ass comment to post on here. I have already replaced you, a while ago, actually. I did not feel it was worth the wasted keystrokes to let you know since your stupid ass pissed on me publicly - when I was asking how I could send you money - no less.

And that business plan I e-mailed you, I'd very, oh so very, strongly advise you not to make use of or disclose any of the information in it. Because if you do, I will sue you for theft of intellectual property. And yes sir, thats a legal threat, asshole. Just go ahead and try me on that one if you think I am bluffing. There are two people who have that information besides me. The new designer that replaced your stupid, incompetent ass and you. If it leaks, I will know exactly where it came from. Be smart about this because if you think I have been mean to John about his little indiscretion, I will fucking slaughter you if I decide to haul you into court on this.

Why don't you list the names of the companies that stopped doing business with you. Isn't that something Keith would do. I would like to know and i am sure other people would like to know which companies make emotional decissions based on who the like or not.

Most people here claim they wont don't business with you and you believe them???? Thats a laugh. Most people here don't do business period. Most of the ones that do conduct anytype of business isn't going to give one shit about this if you go to buy something from them or send them traffic. You know this is true, therefore you are not being forced out. You are being given a hard time on GFY, nothing more nothing less get over yourself and open your eyes. LOL handfull of people around here with principles, me being one of them. Which my " i wont do business with you" list is pretty much restricted to those people who steal from me, not someone who gets in a pissin match with another company. When no one will provide hosting for you, let you be an affiliate of their company, do design for you, sell you content, let you buy traffic etc... then you can cry about being pushed out. 1 sponsor dropping you and another saying they will, lol = being pushed out :helpme

im done wasting time on you, i ask honest questions and you know I am as fair and don't pick sides on issues as they come and your reply to me is i am trolling, lol you too much.

Actually I do not think he has any clue about "What he did".

Sorry Kieth, real Industry guys feel out who they work with first. You sir did not pass I smelt your stink of shit 4 key strokes ahead of time.

Yer a nut case and yeah I cased you behind the scenes. Just cuz you wave around a dollar bill does not mean a shit. You are a train wreck loaded with damaged goods.


I am insane myself but know how to deal with it.
Get help.

Spit or swallow?

Keith, seriously go find a girlfriend or something. Stop obsessing over things that have nothing to do with you, it's pathetic.

It's confirmed, you are 100% certified insaine. Who would you send Alien a business plan?????? He is about as retarded as they come, has no money, and at best can do decent design work. WTF would you give him a business plan for. No worries for you, i don't think he can read and comprehend too well.

He has some ideas for my site network, several parts of it have changed since then but many have not, though I have pretty much eliminated the need for a traditional affiliate program since I don't think I'll be needing that. I do think you are wrong though, his work is OK. Its just him that is not OK.

LO, Business plan...
If you call that a business plan you are alot dumber than me!

He is not even a good amateur in thinking things threw.

Trust that!

oh, come on dude, zango is mainstream now. Watcha waiting for? :winkwink:

Thats good. You just remember whose stupid ideas they are and you'll come out of this intact.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh He threatens EVERYONE!