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DaddyHalbucks 12-01-2007 06:06 PM

Is there any doubt that Hugo Chavez is a dictator?
 
...not after reading this article:
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Chavez oil threat raises stakes in Venezuelan referendum

...

The referendum calls for a scrapping of term limits for the president, opening the way for Chavez to stay on past 2013, when he is due to step down.

The 53-year-old president said Friday he wanted to reign "until 2050," if the people backed him.

Changes to allow the government to take over the central bank and expropriate private property in the name of "economic socialism," and gag the media in times of emergency are also being proposed.

Opponents, whose number has swelled in past weeks with the defection of some Chavez allies, say the reforms would amount to making Venezuela a Cuba-like communist state, with an elected "dictator".

Chavez, who reveres Cuba's Fidel Castro, dismisses those ranked against him as "traitors" acting to further US "imperialism."

"A vote 'yes' is a vote for Chavez -- a vote 'no' is a vote for (US President) George W. Bush," he said.

The United States is not the only target of Chavez's verbal broadsides. Recently, the Venezuelan president has accumulated international disputes.

Last month, Spain's King Juan Carlos told him to "shut up" at a summit. Stung by the opposition's adoption of the phrase in its campaign against the referendum, Chavez has demanded an apology -- failing which he said he might nationalize Spanish banks in Venezuela.

He also fell out spectacularly with his Colombian counterpart, Alvaro Uribe, after the latter dropped him as a mediator in negotiations to release hostages held by leftist FARC guerrillas.

Chavez said he would have nothing to do with Colombia's government as long as Uribe remained in power -- another potentially costly decision, given that Colombia supplies much of Venezuela's basic food supplies, including eggs, milk and chicken.

The foreign media were not spared either.

He accused CNN of inciting his assassination by putting the caption "Who killed him?" under his picture this week. He dismissed the network's explanation that it was an on-air mix-up with another news item.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...ow_article= 1

Rochard 12-01-2007 06:10 PM

Let's take him out just for sport!

Compdoctor 12-01-2007 06:16 PM

Sounds just like Bush and crew

HeadPimp 12-01-2007 06:18 PM

Gotta give him points for pulling off a pretty flawless takeover though, even if he is a mother fucker.

aico 12-01-2007 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compdoctor (Post 13456957)
Sounds just like Bush and crew

:2 cents:

crockett 12-01-2007 06:47 PM

It's amazing how a country can go to shit so fast. I thought Bush was doing a pretty good job of fucking up this country, but Chavez has him beat by a mile.

I'm amazed someone hasn't taken Chavez out yet. It's very clear where that whole mess is heading.

On the same Note Putian in Russia is going to be the same..

After Shock Media 12-01-2007 06:49 PM

My only real thought is do I honestly really care?

Thinking...

Nope fairly certain I do not give a damn if he is a dicator, there are plenty in the world.

The Duck 12-01-2007 07:10 PM

Ah the foul stench of propaganda.

kektex 12-01-2007 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 13457134)
Ah the foul stench of propaganda.

Propaganda for who? Everything in that article is true. I listened to him yesterday as went on and on for a couple of hours about the same thing: everyone is out to kill him, US imperialism and threats against everyone.
Even his supporters are tired of listening the same bullshit over and over.
He needs to pick a fight and make up enemies all the time.

Do you think he is really gonna cut off oil supply to the US?? His entire government is based on paying everyone to keep supporting him. With the oil money gone , the people that still support him would take him out in 6 months.

I have to be up in 6 hours to vote against his new constitution. The one that would finally make him in to the dictator that he has been working on becoming for the past 8 years.

~Ray 12-01-2007 08:29 PM

it's not the governments or presidents that Hugo has to worry about. It's that 70 year old farmer, who just had his families land stolen, and his rifle. :2 cents:

qxm 12-01-2007 08:40 PM

hugo chavez makes me laugh, he's a funny character but if he keeps talking shit about America and our fucked up president, we'll just have to send one of this guys to pay him a visit:

http://www.bsnews.org/articles/image...elmo_iraq2.jpg

marketsmart 12-01-2007 08:57 PM

chavez, musharaff, and putin have all become dictators in the last year.. i think they are setting a dangerous trend for future leaders...

the world is going to hell in a hurry and i wont be surprised if we see a major world conflict in the next 20 years... probably due to oil, but maybe something else...

the US is just as fucked up with the eroding of civil liberties, but that is another conversation all together....

Shagbunny 12-01-2007 09:00 PM

hopefully not...

Barefootsies 12-01-2007 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compdoctor (Post 13456957)
Sounds just like Bush and crew

That about sums it up.

Sly 12-01-2007 09:30 PM

What I find even more interesting is that three of the world's largest oil-producing countries are all playing the same game... do what I say, or we cut off oil. Although it may sound a little scary, it is a huge Catch-22 considering all three of their economies are surviving basically because of oil alone. They can't shut off oil, they would strangle themselves in the process.

Chavez, Ahmadinajad (sp?) and Putin are my favorite Presidents right now. The first two are playing the same game, the latter wants to play the game but isn't quite there yet.

marketsmart 12-01-2007 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13457565)
What I find even more interesting is that three of the world's largest oil-producing countries are all playing the same game... do what I say, or we cut off oil. Although it may sound a little scary, it is a huge Catch-22 considering all three of their economies are surviving basically because of oil alone. They can't shut off oil, they would strangle themselves in the process.

Chavez, Ahmadinajad (sp?) and Putin are my favorite Presidents right now. The first two are playing the same game, the latter wants to play the game but isn't quite there yet.

You are right, but what is scary is that China will buy all their oil... Which I think will ultimately piss the US off...

GreyWolf 12-01-2007 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 13456892)
Is there any doubt that Hugo Chavez is a dictator?

Is this a subject which concerns you DH??? Why??? *lol*

Deal with your own backyard first, then maybe you may have cred to comment on other nations :thumbsup

EonBlue 12-01-2007 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13457735)
Is this a subject which concerns you DH??? Why??? *lol*

Deal with your own backyard first, then maybe you may have cred to comment on other nations :thumbsup

And where is your "backyard" exactly? I just want to know where you get all of your "cred" to be commenting on the US all of the time.

EonBlue 12-01-2007 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 13457456)
the world is going to hell in a hurry and i wont be surprised if we see a major world conflict in the next 20 years... probably due to oil, but maybe something else...

Something else: immigration and demography.

Sly 12-01-2007 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13457735)
Is this a subject which concerns you DH??? Why??? *lol*

Deal with your own backyard first, then maybe you may have cred to comment on other nations :thumbsup


You are an ex-patriot of a Western country... we don't know which, though I'm guessing the United States.

You only post when it involves something bad about the United States.

You have been banned from GFY, returned as a new user, and continue to deny being original poster.

All of that is fine and dandy... whatever... it doesn't make his comments about Chavez false. Even his supporters have been saying this and are now pulling back their support.

EonBlue 12-01-2007 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13457774)
You are an ex-patriot of a Western country... we don't know which, though I'm guessing the United States.

I'm guessing either Canada or the UK.

Quote:

You only post when it involves something bad about the United States.
Ain't that the truth.

GreyWolf 12-01-2007 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 13457765)
And where is your "backyard" exactly? I just want to know where you get all of your "cred" to be commenting on the US all of the time.

The usual GFY troll-type question, tho it should have been put - "What country are you from?" :winkwink:

Got no problem "commenting" on rogue regimes wherever they are - especially ones who scam their citizens, attempt to deceive others while engaged in torture and killings, yet adopt a hypocritical aura of righteousness and arrogance. With that background (tho very brief outline - the history is a career in predatory action), it's hard not to attract comment. So.... back to cleaning up the backyard.

GreyWolf 12-01-2007 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13457774)
You only post when it involves something bad about the United States.

Is there any good news somewhere??? :1orglaugh

It's a corrupt regime Sly which was hijacked and has now lost cred globally and can't be trusted with 5 cents.

BTW - I don't mean any particular "offense" to US folks - they are the victims.

Profits of Doom 12-01-2007 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13457786)
The usual GFY troll-type question, tho it should have been put - "What country are you from?" :winkwink:

Got no problem "commenting" on rogue regimes wherever they are - especially ones who scam their citizens, attempt to deceive others while engaged in torture and killings, yet adopt a hypocritical aura of righteousness and arrogance. With that background (tho very brief outline - the history is a career in predatory action), it's hard not to attract comment. So.... back to cleaning up the backyard.

Uh...is there a regime on the planet that doesn't do this?

Sly 12-01-2007 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13457798)
Is there any good news somewhere??? :1orglaugh

It's a corrupt regime Sly which was hijacked and has now lost cred globally and can't be trusted with 5 cents.

BTW - I don't mean any particular "offense" to US folks - they are the victims.



That isn't the point. We could be talking about Hitler and the first thing you would mention is some comparison with George Bush.

For a guy that doesn't live in the United States, you sure like to talk bout it.

EonBlue 12-01-2007 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13457786)
The usual GFY troll-type question, tho it should have been put - "What country are you from?" :winkwink:

Got no problem "commenting" on rogue regimes wherever they are - especially ones who scam their citizens, attempt to deceive others while engaged in torture and killings, yet adopt a hypocritical aura of righteousness and arrogance. With that background (tho very brief outline - the history is a career in predatory action), it's hard not to attract comment. So.... back to cleaning up the backyard.

Well, I didn't mean to interrupt your fantasy of you being a legend in your own mind.

I just wanted to know where you get your holier-than-thou, pompous, smug, arrogant attitude.

I mean you obviously come from the best place in the world - some sort of conceited utopia where everyone is always right and they know more than everyone else.

Please, jut let us know where it is you live so that all of your inferiors in the world can begin to emulate your greatness.

GreyWolf 12-01-2007 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 13457800)
Uh...is there a regime on the planet that doesn't do this?

Well... :winkwink: Sure is, quite a few. We are based in one now which does not invade other nations based on lies, does not engage in torture, is for some reason held up as "the best example of democracy in action", but, has been known to steal on a few occasions (for personal gain of course :)).

Would you trust any govt?? Hell no. :winkwink: But there are plenty who do comply with international and domestic law and don't create excuses to invade other nations over greed.

GreyWolf 12-01-2007 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 13457821)
Well, I didn't mean to interrupt your fantasy of you being a legend in your own mind.

I just wanted to know where you get your holier-than-thou, pompous, smug, arrogant attitude.

Arrogant?? You are calling me arrogant?? :1orglaugh

Fuck.. the troll from a rogue regime with a history of arrogance and torture is calling someone else arrogant?? Go away and get a grip on reality.

SmokeyTheBear 12-01-2007 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex (Post 13457381)
Propaganda for who? Everything in that article is true.

thats exactly how propaganda works :)

the key is in what they leave out :thumbsup

GreyWolf 12-01-2007 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13457809)
That isn't the point. We could be talking about Hitler and the first thing you would mention is some comparison with George Bush.

For a guy that doesn't live in the United States, you sure like to talk bout it.

Eh??? What are you talking about?? Hitler and Bush?? Sure there are comparisons/associations - what's that got to do with Chavez?

Personally I'd prefer to forget the US, but trolls seem to keep raising this subject about "their country". Never noticed other webmasters talk about their country to this level - I sure won't be boring others about mine :1orglaugh

EonBlue 12-02-2007 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13457825)
Arrogant?? You are calling me arrogant?? :1orglaugh

Fuck.. the troll from a rogue regime with a history of arrogance and torture is calling someone else arrogant?? Go away and get a grip on reality.

Yep, you are fucking arrogant. And an idiot to boot.

And since when is Canada a "rogue regime with a history of arrogance and torture"? Talk about needing to get a grip on reality. :thumbsup

And you think I'm a troll even though you won't tell anyone else where you're from so we can place your anti-Americanism into some sort of context.

Real trolls always keep their location hidden.

GreyWolf 12-02-2007 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 13457830)
thats exactly how propaganda works :)

the key is in what they leave out :thumbsup

Here's another view of Chavez Smokey....

The War On Democracy - Part 1 of 10

(The full documentary is also on YouTube - 90mins, but the first part is specifically on Chavez)

Only my :2 cents: - but got mixed thoughts on him. People change over time and possible there has been change since that documentary was shot. Was asking a few Venezuelan folks earlier about Chavez and their opinions were varied.

GreyWolf 12-02-2007 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 13457845)
Real trolls always keep their location hidden.

Real trolls keep posting stupid messages.

EonBlue 12-02-2007 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13457851)
Real trolls keep posting stupid messages.

Real trolls are on my ignore list. :thumbsup

GreyWolf 12-02-2007 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 13457884)
Real trolls are on my ignore list. :thumbsup

How droll - feel better now? :1orglaugh

Antonio 12-02-2007 12:45 AM

95% f the dictators start as cool dudes with lotsa charisma and then turn into shit. If Castro was killed when still young it would've been his face on every second t-shirt on the planet instead of Che Guevara, if Che had lived he would've been exactly like Castro, power corrupts - plain and simple. Even Mugabe was cool once, after all he was fighting the colonialists, he was a hero, and today he's the most fucked up idiot on the planet.

EonBlue 12-02-2007 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 13457903)
95% f the dictators start as cool dudes with lotsa charisma and then turn into shit. If Castro was killed when still young it would've been his face on every second t-shirt on the planet instead of Che Guevara, if Che had lived he would've been exactly like Castro, power corrupts - plain and simple. Even Mugabe was cool once, after all he was fighting the colonialists, he was a hero, and today he's the most fucked up idiot on the planet.

Che Guevara worked for Castro - he was exactly like Castro.

Somehow Che Guevara started out as a murderous psychopath but somehow ended up as a cool dude. Go figure. That's the left for you. :Oh crap

theking 12-02-2007 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 13457765)
And where is your "backyard" exactly? I just want to know where you get all of your "cred" to be commenting on the US all of the time.

Webby...GreyWolf is but one of his nicks here at GFY...lives in a tiny third world country...Costa Rica. One of the reasons he hates the USA is because he is not allowed to enter the country and I believe he is originally a Brit.

Excretor 12-02-2007 03:38 AM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Excretor 12-02-2007 03:38 AM

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Chaves is just a clown.

GrouchyAdmin 12-02-2007 03:55 AM

I dislike Chavez, but I also dislike the OP.

Voting Comedy Cramps.

GrouchyAdmin 12-02-2007 03:57 AM

forgot this

http://www.imagepup.com/up/WPUk_1196...609b13e532.gif

ServerGenius 12-02-2007 04:02 AM

It's funny that a lot of you americans think you're the only country that
needs oil......China alone needs more oil every day....India is going the same
road.

Zuss 12-02-2007 04:29 AM

I think chavez is rather refreshing.

kektex 12-02-2007 08:05 AM

Just came back from voting and for some reason there are not many people in the lines to vote...
I think that for the first time I might have to seriosly think about leaving my country because after this constitution is approved everything is going to go to hell rather quickly here.

dready 12-02-2007 09:23 AM

He seems to have a bit of an overblown sense of entitlement, but I wouldn't call him a dictator any more that I would Bush.

GreyWolf 12-02-2007 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 13458394)
Webby...GreyWolf is but one of his nicks here at GFY...lives in a tiny third world country...Costa Rica. One of the reasons he hates the USA is because he is not allowed to enter the country and I believe he is originally a Brit.

:1orglaugh

theKing... Pathfinder is but one of his nicks here at GFY... lives in a chicken yard plucking chickens. On rare occasions he is released to post on GFY and tends to stalk threads and make repeat posts with "Pigshit" as a release mechanism for his hatred of other nations/people. Never will Pathfinder engage in any thread unless it involves topics on the US or the military. He has fantasies about being a General in the military to support his deficient personality. Lying is second nature, - he will lie and make laughable claims about anyone and any subject, has been accused of being a scammer and promised to leave GFY forever, but his urge to hate kept drawing him back to stalk threads. Pathfinder is the permanent blind patriotic troll on GFY and needs to be excused due to alchol abuse.

For God's sake grow up man, get a grip and quit being a stalking asshole :1orglaugh

theking 12-02-2007 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyWolf (Post 13459598)
:1orglaugh

theKing... Pathfinder is but one of his nicks here at GFY... lives in a chicken yard plucking chickens. On rare occasions he is released to post on GFY and tends to stalk threads and make repeat posts with "Pigshit" as a release mechanism for his hatred of other nations/people. Never will Pathfinder engage in any thread unless it involves topics on the US or the military. He has fantasies about being a General in the military to support his deficient personality. Lying is second nature, - he will lie and make laughable claims about anyone and any subject, has been accused of being a scammer and promised to leave GFY forever, but his urge to hate kept drawing him back to stalk threads. Pathfinder is the permanent blind patriotic troll on GFY and needs to be excused due to alchol abuse.

For God's sake grow up man, get a grip and quit being a stalking asshole :1orglaugh

More long winded blah...blah...blah...total pigshit from Webby.

GreyWolf 12-02-2007 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 13459644)
More long winded blah...blah...blah...total pigshit from Webby.

It sure beats "Pigshit" Pathfinder :1orglaugh You not care to address the content instead of posting more crap?? Wonder why? *LOL*

directfiesta 12-02-2007 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 13457765)
And where is your "backyard" exactly? I just want to know where you get all of your "cred" to be commenting on the US all of the time.

So do I .... about YOU.... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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