Proposed Atom Publishing Format for Sponsors and Tube sites
 

http://docs.google.com/View?docID=dh...vision=_latest

Open for suggestions and comments.

Will be releasing a tube script using this format at some stage, while I'm
setting gunz up with this feed format next week. Would be good if more
sponsors and tube-script creators could get onboard using a structured
format like this instead of the current CSV style files where each sponsor has
to create a feed for each tube script.

Please give this a bump, or if someone thinks it's important enough give it a
sticky if possible.

-Ben

http://www.cockcruisers.com/atom/packs/index.xml?w=123

Example feed.... in testing, model images, thumbnail/movie relationship + a
few tweeks needed on it yet.

-Ben

That is an aweome idea. I would like to get involved with this. Will your system work with nats programs?

Whatever format a sponsor has the data in a generator can be written to
create the feed. Not sure what information NATs stores in it's database. For
gunz we have custom database which has all the promo packs information
and any IDs it needs to integrate with CMS/Billing/Shopping Carts.

Depends on the sponsor, but we all have MPEGs, FLVs floating around, not all
of us have a database of those assets but most could make one where
needbe. The step needed by sponsors to properly feed the tube market is to
collect together data on all their movie assets, this format then would
provide a standardised way for pushing that content/information out to
affiliates and their websites.

-Ben

Any takers?

Would be great to have a few sponsors pushing out this type of feed, Atom
is the only choice for multiple links in a standardised syndication format. The
thing this doc suggests is that we all use link attributes in the same way to
denote which links are which.

I'm approaching some of the tube site scripts, their integration of syndicated
feeds will allow for sponsors to push content and update remote sites with
the latest content as it becomes available. Other then that I'll release a
robust tube script for free to encorage the adoption by sponsors further if
needbe.

-Ben

It will need a way of differentiating 2257 URL, will add that now.

-Ben

Added logo and watermark URL.

-Ben

Added category etc.

Also halfway through a PHPmotion mod that imports the feed and hotlinks the
videos instead of converting them. Once that's done I'll look into doing a
WordPress one.

-Ben

No bites?

With the free scripts and a standardised feed format there is traffic out there
for sponsors, now is the time to get onboard, while the spec is still malleable.

Get in touch.

-Ben

please contact me at 447542128 tomorrow.. would like to talk to you about this more.

it sounds good - but can it work on a CCBill affiliate URL?

As far as affiliate URLs, that's up to the sponsors feed generator to include.

http://www.cockcruisers.com/atom/pac...?w=123&p=2&c=3

Here WebmasterID 123, Program 2, Campaign 3

The feed generator then includes this info in links where needbe. If sponsor
has a database of all their promo content then this is quite fast. However if
the feed generation is processor intensive it can always be PHP cached daily
with the querystring as the CacheID.

-Ben

http://www.gaymeat.com/

This is an idea of what is possible. Have a lil more work to do bringing the
importer up to the most recent spec additions, once that's done however it
would take an affiliate an hour or 2 to have a site up like this featuring
sponsor content. (I'll release code to import feeds into phpmotion on google
code shortly, then it's onto wordpress)

Great filler for anyone taking user submissions for a start.

My motivation here isn't to promote one sponsor or another, but simply to do
the leg work we all need to get the tool we've been waiting for out and in
use. Once there are a pool of sites using this format and sponsors with feeds
it will make affiliates jobs handling sponsor content all too easy. While
sponsors will have a lot of flexibility in the release of new content, tools will
evolve to aggregate sponsor feeds and rework content in imaginative ways
that can't even really be guessed at yet.

-Ben

Changed the use of length for enclosure links.

Atom describes it as being the filesize. For most readers this would be
expected. However we have an esoteric purpose for these feeds, and it is
the best place to put Duration rather then Filesize when it comes to movies.
Thus movie links now use length as duration.

Have a good weekend!

-Ben

http://code.google.com/p/adultatom4phpmotion/

phpMotion importer released.

-Ben

Why don't you give a code example of what I should be writing for my script.

Stuff like how often should my script be reading this feed?
Are all the http media hot linkable or must be downloaded?
etc...etc...

The locking down of content as hotlinkable is up to sponsors, this feed just
gives them a syndication method. I would however imagine sponsors going
down the path of allowing hotlinking, it makes business sense for everyone
involved really. Your script should probably hit movies with a HEAD request to
test if they are hotlinkable before including in database. However at this
stage I don't think it will matter as I believe any sponsor partisipating in this
kind of feed format will allow hotlinking.

Do you have a Atom parser for perl? I can code you up something to take
this feed and spit out an associated array if needbe. Got one for PHP already,
perl wouldn't take long.

Most of what you need to be concerned with is the titles of the links, finding
the images that match the movies (thumbnails), and extracting the 2257 and
affiliate links.

Here is the main bit of logic from my phpMotion importer, it's probably a little
strict in that it checks content types, titles, etc when in some cases it
doesn't need to doublecheck all that.

-Ben

As for how often to check.....

Gunz itself adds content most days, not sure about other sponsors.

-Ben

This is definitely the next evolution of free adult sites..

hey bro hit me up on icq, i love your scripts :pimp

Just to explain quickly how this can be used.....

It all depends on what content you have, starting at the most basic and
moving up, here's some ways to use it.

1. Most sponsors have FHGs.

Sponsors can use the feed to output their FHGs, benefits of AdultATOM come
from the ability to include and link thumbnails, along with description and URL
as an RSS would have. With RSS the only real way to make thumbnails work
in these feeds was to include them as HTML in the description, however this
doesn't work for everyones site as we all need different sized images etc.

2. MPEGs

With the growth of tube sites more sponsors will be spidering the URLs of
their MPEGs from FHGs and releasing them as another option for webmasters.
These URLs can be fed over AdultATOM with included thumbnails for each
movie. With multiple links the sponsor can also include the 2257 info for these
movies. Other links may include FHG, Buy DVD etc.

3. FLV

If the sponsor has FLVs for flash video streaming sites (better interface for
users then ugly embedded MPEGs), these URLs can be passed over
AdultATOM, complete with thumbnail, 2257 and any other links such as DVD
purchase etc.


When it comes to the affiliate..... Heres how the wordpress plugin will work.

1. Feed is pulled and parsed.
2. Content is posted into blog entries.

Given the ability of wordpress posts to contain all kinds of content this is a
good example of the fullness of what is possible.

As the wordpress plug parses the feed it will use different insertion templates
depending on the type of content. If the entry includes an FLV, then a flash
player will be inserted, if there are MPEGs it will discover their thumb URL and
link them from the post, if there is a Buy DVD link or 2257 URL they'll be
included.... etc.... So whatever comes along wordpress will be able to create
a post containing that type of content.

While depending on the sponsors implementation of the feed, affiliates should
be able to query the feed to only spit out content which contains the type of
resources the affiliate is seeking. i.e. only pulling entries with FLVs, or only
entries with the category of "teen", or only those where description contains
a keyword.....

-Ben

http://groups.google.com/group/adultatom

Heres the main home page of the project.

From there we'll have links to different importers and parsers etc.

Also list of sponsors supporting the format.

-Ben

Halfway through the Wordpress plug....

Sortie.... Here is some more code that pulls more then just FLVs and puts movies in arrays.

-Ben

Some bugs in that re: $video_length but you get the idea.....

-Ben

http://code.google.com/p/adultatom4wordpress/

Just finished it, looks debugged, will check deeper in the morning and release
and example of it in action etc, until then if you'd like to play grab the SVN.

Very cool! FLV player + mpegs + description etc all in as content of a
wordpress post, SEF URLs and the whole bit.

Writting WordPress plugs is actually very easy, next time you need to hack it
I suggest using a plug, the way they work is nice, with options pages etc.

-Ben

Ben, what is your ICQ
I'm tracking this thread and I appreciate what you're doing.
Tube sites are the future whether or not anyone agrees...
Maybe we can do something together

I am far from a tech but by reading this it seems that it wants the sponsors to allow hotlinking of the movies or in simple terms pass the bandwidth costs to the sponsors to show their content to people that typically never buy, or am I wrong?

If I am not wrong would tube owners be willing to take a major pay cut for this ability?

Don't think anyone is taking a pay cut...... It's no different to free hosting
really, except the right person is paying so as not to pollute the whole thing.

From another board:
If sponsors want the traffic they'll need to provide the tools, surfers like the
Web2.0 and YouTube thing, it's more usable and easy to manage for all. It's
where the surfers are, affiliates are following, sponsors need too as well.

A sponsor can offer a feed of movie locations and still require the affiliates
script downloads the video, but how many affiliates can afford to serve that
kind of video and support growth without problems. While which sponsor do
you think affiliates will choose......

Sure it might take awhile for some to catch on, but really it's unavoidable.

It's just the way the market is going. Just a matter of who the early-
adopters are going to be, some have done this for a long time, just not in a
structured way.

-Ben

Lets put it this way........

Imagine a FHG without a design.......

It's design is machine-readable, not a bunch of big image slices in the same
format with the same colors for every affiliate on every TGP. It's content can
be posted anywhere, as long as the link is included of course.

Who pays bandwidth on FHGs?

Now.... What is the difference between an FHG which a sponsor hosts the
design for, which then links to MPEGs the sponsor hosts.... and a Blog post
an affiliate hosts the design for, which links to MPEGs the sponsor hosts.

If you're burning more bandwidth, it should only be because you're getting
more traffic and exposure.

-Ben

What do you personally know about tube sites and the traffic? What do you know about "people that typically never buy"?

I think what you fail to understand is this IS the new MEDIUM online. It's your job as a sponsor to monetize it.

Ben is trying to define the process in which Sponsors can monetize their content.

You have two choices. Let thepiratebay, youporn and megaerotic use our content however they want, or you as a Sponsor can define HOW you want your content to be used, how you want the links to work, how the advertising should be displayed.

And yes the Sponsor should foot the bill.

And if they don't want to, then they can just let the tube sites do what they want.

Sponsors need to get on board, define the methods of how their content should be used. Whether they make money or not doesn't matter, at least they have a "Say". Tube sites aren't going anywhere.. get onboard and define the methodology or get left behind... just my .02

Sorry didn't see the post above...

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-Ben

I am asking some questions if you do not mind.
I do know the ratios on tubes vs quality mgp sites, specially where I can design and optimize the galley format (selling points) and provide quality video.
I have tried tube sites and tried to make enough sales, the ratio's are terrible.

I just really do not see why a sponsor alone should foot the bill, keep payouts the same and give such sites the one key the need. Badwidth control. Reality is yes tube sites will work, sponsors will do it, tube sites will then still make money pushing dating, webcams, and stuff like pills.

Oh well, just being curious and am always curious of the mindset of sponsors pay for it all.

dammm thts a good idea ")

Sad thing is that optimised design just ends up old. Every affiliate using the
same design, all on your bandwidth. An affiliate that actually takes time to
design their own galleries and do them properly seems to be a rare thing
these days.

Did you drop payouts when you introduced FHGs?
Don't you pay for all the bandwidth on those? Including the weighty designs?

As market penetration increases, signup ratios drop, but bottom line and
market size keeps going up. The sponsor makes more money even as their
ratio goes down year after year (as long as they keep existing sites fresh and
release new products over time).

Affiliates however end up hitting a bit of a wall when it comes to these
ratios, they have a limited pool of users, where the sponsor has a large
variety of traffic sources a TGP has their bookmarkers and trades.... If TGPs
had an unlimited number of products and sponsors they trusted and could
work with it wouldn't be a problem. However webmasters stick with the
sponsors they know, and over time they become less effective on their small
pool of the same surfers, or large pool of surfers on sites displaying the same
products. Thus TGPs branch out into tangable and non-adult products to
display something fresh and different to these tired eyes.

Meanwhile no matter how saturated the content becomes, the sponsors
brand just keeps on growing.

Really this branding and exposure is the key business of a sponsor.

What better way to get your fresh content out there and promoted then
PUSH it rather then wait months for affiliates to login and PULL it?

The market is there, who cares about the signup ratio, either you promote to
the market or ignore them, however ignoring them doesn't make them your
customer any faster.

-Ben

http://code.google.com/p/adultatom4wordpress/

Up and working....
Example: http://www.cockcruisers.com/news/

Now tell me a sponsor that doesn't want to see those out there!

Will take whatever types of links it can find in the feed and output them into a post.

-Ben

k that adultatom4wordpress looks done! and looks great!

onto adultatom2html :-)

Then Perl examples of parsers....

-Ben

Looks good I would like to adopt this format for our new tube solution. Will be in touch - [email protected]

Awesome stuff!

Will be good to have some examples that don't scare everyone away with gay fisting :-)

-Ben

k the nubiles feed works with the wordpress plug straight off the bat.

I have to adjust adultatom4phpmotion so it creates a separate video for
each FLV link within an entry, instead of just one video per entry.

-Ben

bumpage, I like the idea.

Added support for the XSPF/RSS/etc playlists the JW FLVPlayer supports.

So have the option of also including a playlist for other related files, sounds a
little odd but makes sense for those with this resource. The importers will
include the playlist if they know how or just use the FLV assets already
included.

adultatom4phpmotion and wordpress both updated.

Nubiles feed has turned out good, adultatom4phpmotion now posts a
separate video for each FLV included. He's used it fairly different to me, but
everything works and nothing breaks so things are looking good as far as
having a working standard.

-Ben

Think phpMotion is missing a truecolor flag on the thumb generator....
GD looks that bad when not set right.

-Ben

btw.... All this code is being posted under Apache 2.0 License.

So feel free to download, modify, redistribute, fix, break or whatever.

-Ben

http://code.google.com/p/adultatom2html/

adultatom2html (Perl)

This perl code pulls the feed, parses it, and outputs a static HTML file.

-Ben

mryellow its great that you're trying to create some kind of a standard BUT I'm not planning on using this. I have a different standard that I'm putting together that honestly doesn't really have as many features as yours but I'm centering things around getting the companies to toss up some quick players and sending out embed codes to the tube sites.

So you're looking at it from the angle where sponsor also provides the player
and is embedded based on HTML sent in the feed?

Have you see MediaRSS, it does this, altho I don't think it really suits the
situation, basically because RSS only supports one link or enclosure per item.

If you can provide me with details on your format.... I'll write a translator so
scripts written to work with either can interoperate.

-Ben

Anything new to report Ben?

Not many responses, but I imagine a few people are watching this. I downloaded the WP version and am tinkering with it this afternoon.

Appreciate the work you're putting into this!

I'm finding the tube script writters a bit of a stumbling block, most seem
intent on forcing sponsors to come up with 20 different feed formats using
dodgy text files filled with un-labeled potentially corrupt data..........

So it's looking like I either have to write translators for all their scripts, or
just take over the market with a well coded free tube script.

-Ben

Do it! Make THEM adopt your format. This is looking damn good. The potential here is huge, and could save so much time, if others will stop to check it out.

5 signups this week on a blog with fuck all traffic from 2 mins work..... Not bad.

-Ben