tire question for cars...plz help if you know tires
 

hey,

please do not laugh. i am spending the winter in New York for the first time in a long time so i purchased the only all seasonal high performance tire that porsche told me is available for the boxtser. Well its really shitty here in NY, cold and rainy today. so the tires are not hugging the road. Just last month under the same conditions my old tires grabbed the road better...so i cal my porsche rep who has that "cock" attitude. he tells me the tires have to be broken in....im not a car guy so i was curious if there is a break in period for tires??? I never heard of such a thing....

do tires require a break in period or did i get sold on a shitty tire. They are pirelli pZERO NERO. purchased them since my porsche rep highly recommended them and told me they r the only high performance all seasonal...


Thanks in advance.

There is no break-in period. The tire you put on is an all-season desigh. What that really means is it's a compromise tire. Tires that are worn are the best handling in dry conditions because there is less tread squirm and usually more surface contact. Your new all season tires will have more tread-squirm under hard cornering, making the car feel looser but only wear not breaking in will change this.

The dude is shitting you,all seasons mean any condition.they should work well in rain and somewhat adequate in winter..they don't replace snow tires by any means

what size rim you got or what year and make ill show you the tire to get

Call Tire-Rack ask for their recommendation and opinion.

It is a pretty tire that does more of a job then there non-all-season tire. But because it is pretty (because you are driving a high performance vehicle) it sucks in doing its job... Well, unless its job is to look pretty.

Check out Blizzack (sp?) by Bridgestone, they are more of a winter z rated tire, I know they are great on the Vette in colorado... I have had them on a 300z as well with no trouble other than they are noisy...

Seems to me when I have brand new tires on the car it slides all over the place.....

Unless you ski, why in the world would you want to live someplace where it snows? And if you do ski, well, you have four wheel drive.

I remember growing up in NJ. We lived out in the country on top of a big hill; When it snowed we were snowed in for days because it took the plows a few days to reach us.

I'll never do that again. I saw snow for the first time in ten years last year.... and that was enough for me for another ten years.

tires dont break in and I would get a cheap snow car for the winter.

All seasons mean they suck in all seasons but will work to an extent in all seasons.

On a Porsche, but SUMMER performance tires. And if you drive in temps below 45F for a few months and snow genreally falls and stays on the ground, get WINTER tires.

If you are getting "squirm" with new tires then you are riding on a crappy tire, probably an all season.

I would get a different car for the winter, if you are having problems now, wait till it starts snowing....

Well here goes.. i used to work as a Mechanic and there DEFINITELY is a break in period for new tires


Breaking In Your Tires


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...e.jsp?techid=5

Tires are comprised of many layers of rubber, steel and fabric. Due to these different components, your new tires require a break-in period to ensure that they deliver their normal ride quality and maximum performance. As tires are cured, a release lubricant is applied to prevent them from sticking in their mold. Some of the lubricant stays on the surface of your tires, reducing traction until it is worn away. Five hundred miles of easy acceleration, cornering and braking will allow the mold release lubricant to wear off, allowing the other tire components to begin working together. It is also important to note that your old tires probably had very little tread depth remaining when you felt it was time to replace them. As any autocrosser or racer who has tread rubber shaved off of his tires will tell you, low tread depth tires respond quicker."Don't be surprised if your new tires are a little slower to respond (even if you use the exact same tire as before). Their new, full depth brings with it a little more tread squirm until they wear down.


As for your tires that you purchased... They are one of the best All season tires on the market and good for occasional snow - they need to be broken in!

Pirelli tire has never issued a "break-in" time for their high performance tires. The only recommendation is to avoid excess speed for the first 25 miles. This has nothing to do with handling.

The most common reason for driving slow right after new tires are installed is to allow the mounting lubricant sufficient time to dry. This prevents the tire from slipping on the wheel which would then require rebalancing.

Wait a minute. You ride motorcycles and don't think there is a break in period?

It is an unexplainable phenomenon.

Baddog, I know new bike tires need to be carefully run for the first 100 miles or so. This helps the rider get accustomed to different lean over characteristics from his old tires. It also removes the smooth greasy feel.

This thread drifted from the original posters question about why the all season tires don't handle as well as his original tires.

Just making sure I did not misunderstand. Of course tires have break in periods, and I am sure they vary, depending on the manufacturer and style.

I don't know how long the break in period is for his tires or how long he has had them, but I am relatively confident they had some kind of a break in period.

so are you saying that your summer tires outperformed the new all season ones even in shitty weather?

My pirelli scorpions are amazing in the snow and ice, but the salt eats the rims so i have no choice but go with the blizzaks. Go see your rep and hit him in the face.

i usually leave the car out in the sun as much as possible after getting new tires to let the tires seat onto the wheels and dry up. then its burn out time to get all the slimy shit off the outside of the tires and get the tread tractable.

Hey DirtyDanza

the fronts are 225/40R-18
the rears are 265/35R-18

thanks for the feedback and i am glad you posted about a break-in period. i really thought he was BSing me especially since i already have my doubts in my rep.

The problem with getting a second car is not so easy. That means i have to get another spot in my garage and parking garage rates in Manhattan are a bit high. I would hate to bother with street parking since the blocks near my apartment location are always occupied by cars all day and all weekend except in the summer months, parking on street by me would be a nightmare.

I will be driving quite a bit this weekend so hopefully teh tires break-in and i get comfortable with them especially since they are non-refundable lol. I would hate to have to change the tires already since my size is quite odd and therefor costs retarded money.

How many miles do you have on them?

well this time last month it was maybe 5 to 10 degrees warmer but my continentals hugged the road so nicely. So, yea, i think they performed better or atleast i felt more confident in them. The ride on the new tires feel different.

I only changed the tire since my service rep told me when i had the car oil changed and prestone changed for winter that the tires were a warmer florida climate tire and that they would suck in the winter in NY. My tires only had about 20K miles on them and good rubber left. He told me that they were made for warm weather and would suck up here so i was going by his recommendation to change my tires for winter.

I probably put 75 miles on the new tires, mostly going up and down west side highway. I will try to burn rubber in the city before i head out to conquer the Long Island Expressway today to head home to the family for holidays.... if they suck after this weekend and the break-in period is done, i will look into other options... i am anal about tires and brakes....

just do some brake torquing burnouts and you should be fine

hahahaha i think u explained that to me once in another thread....but here goes again, how do i do brake torquing burnouts???

i usually just rev the car and pop the clutch and the car peels out like crazy and takes off freaking everyone on the sidewalk :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't know about car tires, but like baddog said, motorcycle tires require some 'scrub-in' to get rid of the release compound. But, for race tires anyway, it's pretty quick; one or two laps, and the tires is ready to go for full throttle and/or lean angle.

I seriously don't know why you put all seasons on a Porsche, even if it is just a Boxster.
The Best all seasons will perform worse then the crappiest performance summer tire. And what the point on having a Porsche if your going to put tires on it to make it handle like a Sunfire.
If you have to drive it in the winter go from Summer tires to Winter tires.

DUDE, do not tell me that. I was really going by what my rep informed me. This is my porsche dealer service rep. he said that all his accounts usually go with this and gave me the whole spiel...

Keep in mind, my all season is still high performance and not some generic all season tire. He said i would not be able to get Blizzaks for the winter and to go with this tire. im really gonna be afraid to ride this car the same as i did with my continentals :helpme

I will give a call after lunch and see if they have my continentals still and if they would hold on to them for a week or so in case i want to go back to them and just chuck these tires...

by the way, back in high school, dated a girl with that ugly purple color SUNFIRE...i remember driving her car....NUFF SAID

Pump up the brakes and do that

Your all season tires will do you better then your continentals did, but dont expect them to do near as well as a winter tire. And come summer you will kicking yourself for having the all season on there.
I am actually very surprised your dealer would tell you to get those tires, the Porsche dealer here wont mount all seasons on a Porsche. If you cant find the winter tire in the size for your wheel a second set of wheels are pretty cheap, and keep your good wheels looking nicer.

Check out Rennlist, its a Porsche forum and has lots of great people that have lots of experience with Porsche's.
Here is a link right to their Boxster forum.
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...splay.php?f=67

I drive a 4x4 Jeep Grand Cherokee in the winter, and have Awesome Allseason AT's on it. I still put Winter tires on it because it seriously makes that big of a difference. I mean unless you dont like stopping.

thanks for the link.

only problem with 2nd set of wheels is storing the 1st set.... i really do not drive much in the winter anyways (i only put like 8000 miles a year on my car) so i will definitely see how these pirellis break-in before i change the tires again.


Thanks baddog, i will beat up the tires before i head out later :thumbsup

....so as i headed out of the city yesterday, i left quite a few marks and really got on the new tires and than drove 50 miles east on LIE at varying speeds due to traffic. Just went out for a drive early this morning to get some cakes and test the tires and major improvement from the day i got them. Definitely grabbing the road nicely and the ride feels improved. I guess since i never had an all season tire and its been awhile since i have been in a NY winter..... but i feel such RELIEF now....

thanks everyone for your comments and insight